Is Joanna really a Kickboxing World Champion!?

[Askafan]

Thanks for very for the further information.

So essentially Joanna was winning point-Muaythai, with little to no risk of injury.

Headguards, shinguards and elbow pads lol.

What the fuck is the point in that case?

The point is that it's a sport not prizefighting. Professional mma is prizefighting, different kettle of fish.

Source? Not doubting you, just would be interesting to see.

Her biography has the bare figures, plus googling old fight reports on obscure sites in various languages around the web, I've come up with details of over 90 of her 102 combat sport contests. There's no easy to find record out there unfortunately.

 

[aunshi189]

Her biography has the bare figures, plus googling old fight reports on obscure sites in various languages around the web, I've come up with details of over 90 of her 102 combat sport contests. There's no easy to find record out there unfortunately.

Thanks for putting the work in

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

You don't need risk of injury to be good at something.

It's not difficult to analyze the skill level of someone with whatever type of competition they are facing and Joanna obviously has talent.

Let me tell you this.

The one thing I've seen from Joanna that I've always been skeptical of is her chin.

Can you condition a chin? Supposedly not. That said, you cannot really prove to yourself how good you are at combat when you have guards on. Just because you can absorb an elbow or a kick from someone with guards on, doesn't mean you could eat that without the guards.

 

[UL]

Nah

the ufc team creates BS

fake titles/wins/background story about being poor/records/

 

[Sakuraba7]

The point is that it's a sport not prizefighting. Professional mma is prizefighting, different kettle of fish.



Her biography has the bare figures, plus googling old fight reports on obscure sites in various languages around the web, I've come up with details of over 90 of her 102 combat sport contests. There's no easy to find record out there unfortunately.

You gotta put *amateur kickboxing on the resume, not simply "kickboxing". That almost always implies professional kickboxing. Same if they compete in point karate. All will be well if people are just more forthright about it.

 

[Sakuraba7]

No professional (commercial) organisation has a legit champions. They are all bought and payed for. That being said money attracts better talent.

The champions can be fake, and a majority of kickboxing "champions" are mediocre. But the bouts can't be, its either professional or amateur or Sanda or point karate, etc. Can't be passing them off as "kickboxing" when it should say "amateur kickboxing". The two are night and day. Amateur kickboxing is like fighting in armor, versus fighting without armor.

 

[hedidhisownstunts]

K1 tournaments were fairly deep.

Egh... relatively, sure, but there just isn’t much money kickboxing so anyone very skilled moves on quickly.

 

[esum80]

IFMA is not an open tournament...each country sends a team represented by qualifying athletes who won in their respective divisions at local/regional/national competitions. not sure what the scene was back then in poland but it's not like joanna just walked in and asked to compete.

in terms of the gear they have to wear, it's based on competition categories; there are a total of 3 categories - 2 for male, 1 for female.

male: competitve class and elite class
female: elite class

the elite class for females is a catch-all so you have pros and amateurs fighting against each other. you will see pros like janet todd (boxing works) from the US fight with full protection even though she fights pro muay thai. so joanna having to wear protective equipment is a part of competition rules as there is only ONE division.

at least she didn't have to wear anything else like in competitive class for male, they MAKE YOU WEAR A CHEST PROTECTOR.

source: http://www.ifmamuaythai.org/technical-reference/muaythai-rules/weigh-in-and-classification/

according to her wiki, her muay thai championships are IFMA and WMC...so those are legit.
her kickboxing ones, i am not super familiar with:

• J-Girls Kickboxing Federation
  • J-Girls Champion (2009)
• World Budokai Federation
  • WBKF Pro Title (2013)
• World Kickboxing Federation
  • WKF European Champion (2010)
• World Kickboxing Network
  • WKN World Champion (2010)

in any case, her wiki page looks to only have fights from 2012 onward and misses a lot of her actual pro muay thai/kickboxing fights.

a quick search on youtube:

this one was a pro fight in japan from 2009


another one from 2010


2011


edit:
let's not confuse muaythai and kickboxing.

 

[Irishwhiskey119]

Let me tell you this.

The one thing I've seen from Joanna that I've always been skeptical of is her chin.

Can you condition a chin? Supposedly not. That said, you cannot really prove to yourself how good you are at combat when you have guards on. Just because you can absorb an elbow or a kick from someone with guards on, doesn't mean you could eat that without the guards.

I've seen her take plenty of hard shots.

She's only gone down and out in one fight.

 

[sangreporsangre]

I remember when UFC used to hype Sam Stout as a "world kickboxing champion".

 

[kimocomplex]

Yea and Holly Holm really has 18 Boxing titles

 

[CPH]

Don't start talking shit about her kickfighting record - it's much more legit that Anderson's, Cerrone's, Barboza's, etc.

And by the way: a lot of really high level pros continue to compete in amateur MT even as professionals: Levin, Yodsanklai, Kyshenko... all did some IFMA while competing in Max etc.

 

[Amst3rdam]

There are so many organisations where one can win a world title so it doesnt mean shit really

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Its all fake hype and its 99% comes from Rogan.

"Thompson is 57-0" as a kickboxer . LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHA

Shut up Rogan please. I been watching kickboxing since 1996, I never ever heard of Thompson until he was in UFC, if he was 57-0 he would be one of the greatest kickboxers that ever lived LOL. Never even seen him in any kickboxing organisation, never heard of him until UFC. Get out Rogan, so fakeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. 57-0 LMAO, don't think he has even had 1 professional kickboxing match man.

Perhaps he may have had some amateur kickboxing done on Indian reservations and casinos but we are not talking legit real pro kickboxing here. I even went to the best kickboxing forum and type his name in the records and there is no search person, no one called Stephen Thompson even exists. So I don't think he has even had 1 real pro kickboxing fight.

this 57-0 nonsense keeps coming from Rogan and its really insulting to real pro elite kickboxers. UFC hype machine in full effect

 

[Yodsanan]

Her kickboxing resume is as legit as Wonderboy’s 80-0 or whatever nonsense they spew about him.

No, Joanna's tilte actually mean something and the IFMA is legit. Bunch of legit fighters compete there even though it's amateur.


People on here are quick to jump off the band wagon because she lost.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

frank dux is the kumite wc. It is as legit as that.


Srsly tho....unless its a well structured, legitimate tournament or competition with a respectable longevity like the us open, world cup, adcc, olympic wresslin etc....your belt's worth is like a wwe belt bought at walmart.

 

[BKB92]

Pretty sure I've a world title in kickboxing lying around the house somewhere from when I kicked a banana tree stump in Thailand one time.

 

[Jarvan]

All I can find is her IFMA titles.

IFMA stands for International Federation of Muaythai Amateur.

Have I just got the complete wrong end of the stick here and female Muay Thai has no professional body?

I've found the World Professional Muaythai Federation which appears to have several male world champions, but I cannot appear to see any females. So how does this work exactly? Females only fight amateur Muay Thai but men fight professional? What is the difference, are there different sanctions or rules?

Valentina Shevchenko also seems to have a load of IFMA titles, but she also has a load of gold medals in KF-1 and K1 world championship events. Appears to be a whole different level of accolades here.

There are dozens and dozens of Muay Thai and kickboxing 'world' titles.

There are just a handful of prestigious (legit) Muay Thai titles, such as lumpinee and ramadajan, but kickboxing is pretty much letters...

However, glory and k1 are legitimizing it once again. Most of yous don't know it, but k1 is in full swing and there are some murderers out there in the circuit.

And um, yea, the women's league... Well, you've seen wmma

 

[esum80]

Yea and Holly Holm really has 18 Boxing titles

not sure about 18, but she has quite a few.

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/117628

 

[theTKDguy]

Joanna had 46 amateur MT contests losing just 3 - all to Shevchenko in the IFMA world championships in 2006, 2007 and 2008.

Her Pro MT/kickboxing record was 29-4-1, the four defeats being to Dayergi Gozde in Istanbul, Amanda Kelly in Manchester, Vandarieva in Minsk and Rattanapundit in Bangkok. The draw was with Catarina Valerio in Lisbon.

Joanna was also runner-up in the Polish amateur boxing championships in 2012 losing to Sandra Kruk who went on to take the silver medal at the subsequent world championships. Joanna was actually selected to train with the Polish Olympic boxing team but passed it up to pursue MMA.