International Is It Time For A German Nuclear Bomb?

What percentage of nuclear weapons do you think would get destroyed on the ground or midair?
No one knows this, particularly as the technology keeps evolving. Like I said, I would err on the side of caution if it were up to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's kind of what MIRVs are for already. That's also ignoring submarines and lower flight times. Nuclear weapons are the most extreme example of a good offense beats almost any defense.
Overwhelming defences is one selling-point of MIRVs. I don't see where what I said ignored submarines and lower flight times though. Submarines can also be chased away or sunk and have to keep going back and forth to port. I suppose to some extent they could replenish at sea but that brings its own vulnerabilities. Also the earlier you catch an ICBM in its flight, the easier it is to shoot it down. Also I wonder if when it came to it, a submarine crew would launch their missiles with enemy ships/aircraft nearby, knowing they would almost certainly be sunk shortly afterwards. Or even sunk by a land-based missile. Submarines have disadvantages as well as advantages over land-based missiles in this context.
 

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A Eurofighter taking off from the 74th Tactical Air Wing in Neuburg an der Donau - one of four Eurofighter bases of the German Air Force


Crossroads

Germany is at a crossroads when it comes to its security policy — one of the deepest upheavals of the post-War era.

The United States, which has served as the primary guarantor of Germany’s territorial integrity since 1949, is fundamentally altering its foreign policy under Republican leadership. President Donald Trump is signalling a realignment of U.S.-Russia relations, clashing with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and increasingly calling the reliability of the transatlantic alliance into question — without concern for European interests.

The speed and magnitude of this shift are so profound that even a staunch supporter of transatlantic relationships like Friedrich Merz, projected to be Germany's next Chancellor, is now openly advocating for European security independence from the United States.

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Merz

A key step toward achieving this goal will undoubtedly be strengthening European armed forces and expanding defence-industrial capabilities. But beyond this necessary conventional modernisation lies a more fundamental question: Who could supplement or even replace the U.S. nuclear umbrella, which has long been the ultimate guarantor of German and European security?


Handover

Merz has announced his intention to engage in talks with the United Kingdom and France to explore whether both countries would be willing to extend their nuclear deterrence to Germany.

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Such an expansion could take various forms.

The UK and France could commit to responding with nuclear retaliation in the event of a nuclear or large-scale conventional attack on Germany.

France could also send a political signal by permanently stationing nuclear-armed aircraft in Germany.


Nuclear Sharing

A more complex and politically sensitive option would be a Franco-German nuclear-sharing arrangement modelled after existing agreements with the U.S., where French nuclear weapons would be stationed on German soil and operated by German aircraft in case of an emergency. In exchange for security guarantees, stationing arrangements, or nuclear-sharing, Germany might consider financial contributions to France’s costly nuclear arsenal.


Proliferation Risk

All these options could temporarily help offset waning confidence in U.S. deterrence. But fundamental questions remain. How reliable would such security guarantees be in a crisis? Would German and French perceptions of existential threats align closely enough to warrant a nuclear response? And would Paris truly be willing to risk nuclear escalation to protect Berlin?

Beyond these uncertainties a deeper contradiction emerges: If the U.S. is no longer seen as a reliable partner, why should a new dependence on Britain and France guarantee long-term stability? What if the same political currents that are eroding transatlantic relations eventually weaken the resolve of London or Paris as well?


Independent Nuclear Option

A radical answer to this dilemma occasionally surfaces in security debates: Germany should become a nuclear power itself. A German bomb would provide strategic autonomy, yet the drawbacks would be severe.

Germany would have to break its commitments under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) or withdraw from it, acquiring a weapon designed for mass destruction — actions at odds with its self-image as a champion of values-based foreign policy and a rules-based international order.

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Moreover, the question arises as to whether Germany would be strategically self-confident enough to go it alone. Would such a far-reaching decision at a purely national level even be realistic? And if not, would it be possible to gain the approval of European partners?

Beyond legal, ethical and political concerns, a German bomb also poses considerable hard security risks. The global non-proliferation of nuclear weapons is one of the greatest success stories of the post-war order, even if negative examples such as North Korea dominate public perception. Dozens of states today have the technological capability to produce nuclear weapons in principle, but have made a conscious decision not to do so. A German withdrawal from the NPT could weaken this norm and thus also endanger Germany's own security in the long term.


Hedging

There is, however, a third option: nuclear hedging. In this model, a country does not develop nuclear weapons outright, but instead builds the technological capacity to produce them if ever deemed necessary. It approaches the threshold of nuclear weapons capability as closely as possible, without actually crossing it.

A country that adopts this approach can uphold its commitments under the NPT, maintain the nuclear taboo, and avoid the international condemnation that an overt breach of this norm would entail. At the same time it puts itself in a position to develop nuclear weapons within a short timeframe — possibly within months — should the security situation deteriorate to the point where such a step becomes unavoidable.

Germany could leverage its extensive scientific and industrial base to implement a hedging strategy. While other countries might require years or even decades to develop the necessary capabilities, Germany already possesses a broad spectrum of key technologies and expertise — from highly-specialised neutron research to precision metallurgy. It also has existing delivery system capacities that could potentially support a nuclear role in the future. For example, Taurus cruise missiles could be modified for this purpose with relatively little effort.

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Plutonium and Uranium

But the critical difference between Germany’s current status and a true hedging approach lies in its ability to produce weapons-grade fissile material — arguably the greatest hurdle on this path.

Nuclear weapons rely on two types of fissile material: plutonium, which is produced in reactors, and highly-enriched uranium, which is obtained through isotope separation. When it comes to plutonium Germany has shut down its civilian nuclear reactors for power generation, and most of the reactor types it previously operated would have been poorly suited for producing weapons-grade material in any case.

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The situation is different when it comes to uranium enrichment. Germany possesses state-of-the-art centrifuge technology and operates a facility for producing low-enriched uranium for civilian nuclear fuel as part of the British-German-Dutch Urenco group. Based on this technological expertise, a national enrichment capability for higher enrichment levels could be developed — nominally for civilian purposes, but quickly repurposed in a crisis.
Germany is way too neutered for that. It‘s another thing they would discuss for years and never do because public demonstrations from guilt ridden cucks with eyebrow piercings and nevervending grand standing in talkshows
 
I don't see how you could really argue the Germans having them if every other country of their stature does.

Because Germany has a bad habit of randomly getting wasted and deciding they'd like to take another shot at taking over the world?
 
The less nukes in the world, the better. The more countries that have them, the more likely it is that we have a nuclear exchange.
 
There's now a terror attack quite literally every other day in Germany - a knife-wielding Afghan was shot dead by police in Schönebeck today.

Russia is the least of its worries, unless you subscribe to the theory (I do) that it's Russia sending all the fake asylum seekers into Europe and sponsoring all the relentless propaganda to hoodwink politicians and populations to support it.
 
Lol ok. Be specific, which part of the novel I skimmed a while ago since I have a soft spot for Tom Clancy did you want me to apply to this conversation? The part where we launch nukes over Russia for no reason? The part where North Korea attacks the US for no reason?

Have you read any credible scholar on nuclear history before btw?
Yes I have. It’s a scenario based on the readiness and real capabilities and procedures of nuclear armed nations. It dozens of people currently in the system that she used to create the book. It’s not something she made up.

Being flippant about the real threat of nuclear war is aggravated at best in this conversation.
 
Yes I have. It’s a scenario based on the readiness and real capabilities and procedures of nuclear armed nations. It dozens of people currently in the system that she used to create the book. It’s not something she made up.

Being flippant about the real threat of nuclear war is aggravated at best in this conversation.
Except the books research is shoddy and it's scenarios fantasy.

I take the prospect of nuclear war quite seriously. It's why I prefer to base discussions of it on facts not wannabe Tom Clancy thrillers.

Like I said, what part of the book do you think is applicable to Germany?
 
I can’t believe that people are so disturbed by Trump they want to increase nuclear arms in the world.

What a time to be alive!
I don’t think that’s what they want. But they are asking if other countries can still rely on the US to be there for them unconditionally when needed. And if not, how can they protect themselves.
 
The less nukes in the world, the better. The more countries that have them, the more likely it is that we have a nuclear exchange.
Well yes a nuclear exchange... but the more nations who gained nukes the less theyve been used. Not just in comflict but in testing.

Theres a reason nukes became a no no ... and imo without other nations gaining that capabililty russia and usa would have just continued their arms race for bigger and better.

Its fine for the threat when only you have the ability to issue it..

When the little guy can bite your nuts off despite being mauled by the larger animal it forces hesitation.

Honey badger 101

Its like chemical warfare. It became a no no once more sides could utilise it .... not when it was just the superpowers of the times utilising it.

Military parity forces peace and truces and neutrality much more than one side having superiority imo

Edit parity is probably the wrong word... but potential to harm
 
Of course not. Why would you want another country with the ability to vaporize life from the planet?
You continously have the worst takes I've seen here. Your ability to see the forest for the trees has single handedly caused the LA fires.

I salute your ignorance, and wish you well on your next trip to the store.
 
You continously have the worst takes I've seen here. Your ability to see the forest for the trees has single handedly caused the LA fires.

I salute your ignorance, and wish you well on your next trip to the store.

I think you need to re-read your post there ill buddy.
I think you are missing a NOT.
 
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