Is It Fair To Say That As Of Today, Robert is Number 3 All Time For UFC 185ers???

theleerygoose said:
Lol Rob has one title win for an interim belt. If you think hes in the top 3 and ahead of Weidman don’t bother responding. We could argue about Franklin because it was a different time but he has 3 title wins to Robs… 1.
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You didnt list his best wins at 185 though.

Quarry and Loiseau fought for the belt and wasnt even ranked top5 by any mma outlet at the time. Thats how strong is your 3vs1 in tittle defense argument
Are u such a dense UFC shill who can't grasp it?
 
pankrat said:
I mean, when all you have to counter is FightMatrix or any other ELO rankings into an online mma forum, you know you have got slapped.

So you believe Bas Rutten is #7 all-time HW of all-time
https://www.fightmatrix.com/all-time-mma-rankings/all-time-heavyweight/

No, you don't. You are just that desperate.
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nah.
I know that when all you can do is cry about me posting an actual credible site and then try to dismiss it, it is when we know YOU have no actual argument.

First you claim it's bias. then you claim the site is wrong... but you actually don't have ANY argument to support you other than being dishonest.
I've watched how you love to argue with GSP fans. I am not falling for it.

You got nothing above that could sway my opinion on this matter. And IMO you are far too blind against Ace to change yours.
So let us not continue this waste of our time.
Agree to disagree.
 
Whittaker was gifted the 2nd Romero fight. Prime Bustamante beats all these clowns anyway.
 
Shaddows said:
nah, kid.
I know that when all you can do is cry about me posting an actual credible site and then all try to dismiss it, it is when we know YOU have no actual argument.

First you claim it's bias. then you claim the site is wrong... but you actually don't have ANY argument to support you other than being dishonest.
I've watched how you love to argue with GSP fans. I am not falling for it.

You got nothing that can sway my opinion on this matter. And you are far too blind against Ace.
So let us not continue this waste of our time.
Agree to disagree.
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I dont give a fuck about sawying the opinion of such a shertard.
This is for the sake or arguing, and any smart person who reads the convo know whats what.

Franklin doesnt have enough top contender wins - for his time - at 185. Doesnt compare to Whittaker at this point, in wins and in losses.

Rich mostly fought at 205 or in a promoton that wasnt the premier one at the time. I dont care your attachment to the UFC brand kiddo, this is called prizefighting and the money was in Pride at the time. Period.

You are either honest about it or you are a pathetic brain washed kiddo.
 
Yes, Whitaker is #3 after Silva and Adesanya.

Whitaker has done more than enough to earn that and hasn't really lost to anyone at MW other than Israel. He did arguably get beat by Romero, but that's still 1-1.

Most of the top ten is around the same level after Whtitaker though. Dan Henderson would rank above Whittaker in P4P rankings, but his best work is at LHW not MW.

I think at MW a lot of non-UFC champs are around the same level which is maybe a half a step behind Whittaker. Some people scoff at guys if they never held UFC gold which is a bit ignorant.

Romero, Souza, Mousasi, Weidman, Rockhold - probably round out the top eleven with Henderson, Belfort, Sonnen and Franklin (latter have split careers).

Not in any order.


Whittaker beat some of these names and as I mentioned only (clearly) lost to Israel. So yeah, #3 makes sense.





Goatenstein said:
Whittaker was gifted the 2nd Romero fight. Prime Bustamante beats all these clowns anyway.
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I mean Romero is as good as any MW outside of Israel and Silva. Not exactly damaging to Whitaker's claim if he lost to Romero.
 
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pankrat said:
I dont give a fuck about sawying the opinion of such a shertard.
This is for the sake or arguing, and any smart person who reads the convo know whats what.

Franklin doesnt have enough top contender wins - for his time - at 185. Doesnt compare to Whittaker at this point, in wins and in losses.

Rich mostly fought at 205 or in a promoton that wasnt the premier one at the time. I dont care your attachment to the UFC brand kiddo, this is called prizefighting and the money was in Pride at the time. Period.

You are either honest about it or you are a pathetic brain washed kiddo.
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I didn't read whatever asinine post you wrote.
The first line sufficed to show you just want a screaming match.

I gave you (some) respect, because I know you have knowledge.
But you are a dumbass who thinks only your opinion matter. It does not

I called it, and noted you'd want to make it an e-peen contest.
Problem is, there's no contest.
You already lost, and that's why you tried insulting instead.

And I told you I will not waste my time with you.
So answer if you will (and we both know you will), but I will end this conversation now.
 
Why do you hate Chris TS

1. Anderson

2/3. Izzy and Chris. I have Chris just SLIGHTLY ahead based on better wins+more complete game but I'm not sweating it if you say Izzy being a number slut for defenses/wins alone. Saying either is comfortably ahead is fishy IMO.


4. Robert

#5 is up in the air. Maybe either Hendo or Rockhold, depending on your criteria. I'll say Hendo.
 
ThunderStruck said:
Weidman has a case, the others hell no.
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Okay lets look at their best 5 wins

Whittaker: Gastelum, yoel x1, brunson, cannonier, jacare


Rockhold has wins over prime jacare, Machinda, Bisping, Branch, Weidman. He's definitely ahead of whittaker.
yoel has wins over Jacare, Weidman, Machida, Rockhold, Brunson
Vitor has wins over Wanderlei, Henderson x2, Bisping, Rockhold, Franklin,

You can't tell me with a straight face you actually think that whittakers record is better than any of those. All of those guys have beaten former champs. all of those guys have fought former title contenders. Whittaker NEVER has.

BKMMAFAN said:
You can't have Rockhold and Machida on their without Romero. (He did not lose the 2nd fight to Whittaker, that was Shogun/Machida levels of robbery.)
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And you're goddamn right he didn't it was the worst decision in the history of the sport.
 
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Dionysian said:
Why do you hate Chris TS

1. Anderson

2/3. Izzy and Chris. I have Chris just SLIGHTLY ahead based on better wins+more complete game but I'm not sweating it if you say Izzy being a number slut for defenses/wins alone. Saying either is comfortably ahead is fishy IMO.


4. Robert

#5 is up in the air. Maybe either Hendo or Rockhold, depending on your criteria. I'll say Hendo.
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How is robert ahead of rockhold vitor or hendo?

Rockhold had WAY better top wins, whittakers best win is either the first yoel fight or cannoiner.

In my opinion the statement that whittaker is better than vettori or even costa is baseless. Costa beat yoel too. is he top 10? as far as monumentally good wins, he only has the one against yoel. Costa does too. His next best mw win is either cannonier or gastelum.
 
Frank Shamrock 3
The Chris 4
Rich Ace/hendo 5

Obviously is were talking Mma rather than Ufc only Hendo is higher
 
RockyLockridge said:
Okay lets look at their best 5 wins

Whittaker: Gastelum, yoel x1, brunson, cannonier, jacare


Rockhold has wins over prime jacare, Machinda, Bisping, Branch, Weidman. He's definitely ahead of whittaker.
yoel has wins over Jacare, Weidman, Machida, Rockhold, Brunson
Vitor has wins over Wanderlei, Henderson x2, Bisping, Rockhold, Franklin,

You can't tell me with a straight face you actually think that whittakers record is better than any of those. All of those guys have beaten former champs. all of those guys have fought former title contenders. Whittaker NEVER has.



And you're goddamn right he didn't it was the worst decision in the history of the sport.
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Another typical "Look at all these wins while ignoring all losses" take.

BTW Whittaker is 2-0 vs Romero.

Oh and many of the wins you listed were at LHW, not MW.
 
I have a hard time placing Rob in the top 3 personally. I appreciate his run at MW, he's beat some great names and only lost to Izzy. But IMO what he's lacking is that championship run. While he was the MW champ, there is an asterisk near his name considering he never really won the MW title, he won the interim belt and then was promoted to champ and lost his first actual title fight to Izzy.

Depending on the situation, I would place a fighter high on a goat list even if he didn't have a strong title reign. But it's hard for me to place Rob over Weidman considering Weidman had 3 title defenses and was at the top for over 2 years as champ, he defended vs some elite competition.

At the moment I would go

Anderson
Izzy
Weidman
Whitaker
 
ThunderStruck said:
Another typical "Look at all these wins while ignoring all losses" take.

BTW Whittaker is 2-0 vs Romero.

Oh and many of the wins you listed were at LHW, not MW.
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almost none of those wins were at lhw and Whittaker did not win against romero the second time that was the worst decision in the history of this sport... Also you want to talk about losses? Rockholds worse loss was to Jan or bisping, Whitaker has losses to McGee and Wonderboy.

Your assessment isn't even fair. Let's say Whittaker loses to Costa and vettor? What then?


Rockhold Weidman and such are where they are because of their wins not because of their losses Anderson Silva has the most losses of any of them and has losses to bad fighters by these standards yet he's still number 1. That's because his wins aren't erased by his losses. Rockhold spent more time at the top than Whittaker. It's no wonder he has more losses
 
RockyLockridge said:
almost none of those wins were at lhw and Whittaker did not win against romero the second time that was the worst decision in the history of this sport... Also you want to talk about losses? Rockholds worse loss was to Jan or bisping, Whitaker has losses to McGee and Wonderboy.

Your assessment isn't even fair. Let's say Whittaker loses to Costa and vettor? What then?


Rockhold Weidman and such are where they are because of their wins not because of their losses Anderson Silva has the most losses of any of them and has losses to bad fighters by these standards yet he's still number 1. That's because his wins aren't erased by his losses. Rockhold spent more time at the top than Whittaker. It's no wonder he has more losses
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Again, you're talking about losses that happened outside of MW. And if you think Whittaker VS Romero 2 is the worst robbery in mma history then you need to watch more mma.

If you could stick to the subject of this thread then you would realize that Whittaker's resume at MW is the 3rd best in the sport.

And I don't care about your "what ifs Robert loses to X and Y". Talk about it when and if it actually happens. So far his resume at MW is stellar with only 2 losses, against the 2nd greatest MW in history.
 
ThunderStruck said:
Again, you're talking about losses that happened outside of MW. And if you think Whittaker VS Romero 2 is the worst robbery in mma history then you need to watch more mma.

If you could stick to the subject of this thread then you would realize that Whittaker's resume at MW is the 3rd best in the sport.

And I don't care about your "what ifs Robert loses to X and Y". Talk about it when and if it actually happens. So far his resume at MW is stellar with only 2 losses, against the 2nd greatest MW in history.
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Okay, but my point is his ranking can change based on losses. andersons can't isreals can't. If anderson lost 3 more times at mw right now it wouldn't effect his ranking.

And yes it truly is the worst decision in the history of the sport there are atleast 4 different scores that make more sense than 48-47 whittaker, maybe YOU should watch that fight again, and don't score a single 10-8 round. then comeback and tell me how a fight should be scored

And I beg you, Tell me the fight with a worse decision than that. I promise i will watch it and tell you why whittaker vs romero 2 scoring is worse.
 
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As of now he's definitely gate keeper status. He didn't get dominated fighting Izzy unlike their first matchup. Many want to see Izzy vs rob 3. I personally wouldn't mind the trilogy but definitely wanna see Rob vs Vettori next.
 
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