Is Hillary Clinton a War Hawk?

[lfd0311]

Do you guys have any specific examples to share?

All the filibusters are apparently because Obama is black. If you're agianst amnesty, it's because you don't like people from Latin America. The list goes on and on and on

 

[kpt018]

All the filibusters are apparently because Obama is black. If you're agianst amnesty, it's because you don't like people from Latin America. The list goes on and on and on

Who is saying that though? I am not disputing there are idiots that vote for both parties, but this is not some kind of significant factor. In other words, no one educated is saying this. And it wasn't a factor in the outcome of the last two elections. If anything, being black was a net negative, but really, not a material factor.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Do you guys have any specific examples to share?

Yes the narrative in the media since about a year before Obama was elected. Are you blind?

The simple fact of the matter is this: liberals are the aggressors in the culture wars. Why this should seem a controversial point is somewhat baffling. It is manifestly clear that traditionalists are defending their way of life against the so called forces of progress. When feminist groups finally persuaded the courts to force the Virginia Military Institute to accept women, who was the aggressor? Whose values were being imposed? Which sides activists boast of being "agents of change"? My point is that the left is dishonest when it pretends that it is not in the business of imposing it's values on others.

And the tactics they use are often very fascist in nature.

The leftist playbook has Hillary written all over it to continue the "progress" and the "change" that we all need to be spoon fed so we can be morally correct.

 

[kpt018]

Yes the narrative in the media since about a year before Obama was elected. Are you blind?

So you don't have any examples? If it's so obvious it should be easy.

I followed the elections pretty closely and didn't see any of what you're talking about. I suspect we use different media outlets. Maybe it's everyday news on Fox, which is largely full of shit, but not the stuff I read.

The simple fact of the matter is this: liberals are the aggressors in the culture wars. Why this should seem a controversial point is somewhat baffling. It is manifestly clear that traditionalists are defending their way of life against the so called forces of progress. When feminist groups finally persuaded the courts to force the Virginia Military Institute to accept women, who was the aggressor? Whose values were being imposed? Which sides activists boast of being "agents of change"? My point is that the left is dishonest when it pretends that it is not in the business of imposing it's values on others.

And the tactics they use are often very fascist in nature.

Lol! Fighting for equal rights for groups that do not have them = culture wars. You can't make this stuff up. No one is imposing their values on others, they are seeking equal rights/more freedom. In fact, many of the arguments are that they do not wish conservatives to impose their views on them. SSM is an example of that.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

All the filibusters are apparently because Obama is black. If you're agianst amnesty, it's because you don't like people from Latin America. The list goes on and on and on

Yep. And if he's not seeing it now, it's probably because he's one of them lol.

 

[lfd0311]

Who is saying that though? I am not disputing there are idiots that vote for both parties, but this is not some kind of significant factor. In other words, no one educated is saying this. And it wasn't a factor in the outcome of the last two elections. If anything, being black was a net negative, but really, not a material factor.

That's the stuff that's coming out of Academia and the Liberal media. It wasn't a factor in the last election? You can't be serious.

 

[kpt018]

That's the stuff that's coming out of Academia and the Liberal media. It wasn't a factor in the last election? You can't be serious.

And apparently it's so abundant that neither of you can provide an example. And forget about showing how that impacted the election.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

So you don't have any examples? If it's so obvious it should be easy.

I followed the elections pretty closely and didn't see any of what you're talking about. I suspect we use different media outlets. Maybe it's everyday news on Fox, which is largely full of shit, but not the stuff I read.



Lol! Fighting for equal rights for groups that do not have them = culture wars. You can't make this stuff up. No one is imposing their values on others, they are seeking equal rights/more freedom. In fact, many of the arguments are that they do not wish conservatives to impose their views on them. SSM is an example of that.

You don't understand. It's not always about equal rights. It's about who is imposing their cultural values. "progress" in the left operates under the guise of equal rights while operating in a fascist manner.

Another example that will destroy you would be the anti capitalist marxists in that Seattle school that banned lego because they didn't want them to be building possessions. So they formed a more "collectivist" play atmosphere.

 

[steveflynn]

That's the stuff that's coming out of Academia and the Liberal media. It wasn't a factor in the last election? You can't be serious.

Pretty sure that no legitimate political pundit has said that all of the GOP filibusters have been held because the POTUS is black. That's a pretty absolutist statement and your reference of the "Liberal media" within this context is also another pretty poor caricature.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

And apparently it's so abundant that neither of you can provide an example. And forget about showing how that impacted the election.

It's not that we can't provide an example, it's that it's so frightening that you are asking for one as if it's difficult to produce, implying that there is no point in giving you an example because you are obviously blind to it.

 

[kpt018]

You don't understand. It's not always about equal rights. It's about who is imposing their cultural values. "progress" in the left operates under the guise of equal rights while operating in a fascist manner.

Another example that will destroy you would be the anti capitalist marxists in that Seattle school that banned lego because they didn't want them to be building possessions. So they formed a more "collectivist" play atmosphere.

I'm not sure where this is going. Of course you can find people that are socialists, but it is a pretty extreme and unpopular position.

 

[kpt018]

It's not that we can't provide an example, it's that it's so frightening that you are asking for one as if it's difficult to produce, implying that there is no point in giving you an example because you are obviously blind to it.

Concession noted.

 

[lfd0311]

Pretty sure that no legitimate political pundit has said that all of the GOP filibusters have been held because the POTUS is black. That's a pretty absolutist statement and your reference of the "Liberal media" within this context is also another pretty poor caricature.

Pretty much every time Rachel Maddow or Chris Matthews talk, they talk about race, or some other personal reason that people don't like Obama. It's so frequent you have to not be paying attention to not see it

 

[kpt018]

Pretty much every time Rachel Maddow or Chris Matthews talk, they talk about race, or some other personal reason that people don't like Obama. It's so frequent you have to not be paying attention to not see it

You can't be serious. People talk about racism so in your mind that proves that liberals guilt voters into choosing Obama on the basis if they don't they're racist?

 

[steveflynn]

Pretty much every time Rachel Maddow or Chris Matthews talk, they talk about race, or some other personal reason that people don't like Obama. It's so frequent you have to not be paying attention to not see it

Sorry, this response by you says absolutely nothing about your previous assertion that liberals/the liberal media have said that all of the GOP filibusters in the Senate were brought about because of the President's race. Your response is totally bland, unsubstantive and does absolutely nothing to address my refutation of your previous assertion.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Within the topic of the leftist type of fascism and slander you can't see (lol) I'll quote this.

Certain quarters of the left assert that "Zionism equals racism" and that Israelis are equivalent to Nazis. As invidious and problematic as those comparisons are, why aren't we hearing similar denunciations of groups ranging from the National Council of La Raza-that is, "The Race"- to the radical Hispanic group MEChA, whose motto, "Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada" -means "Everything for the race, nothing outside the race"? Why is it that when a white man spouts such sentiments it's "objectively" fascist, but when a person of color says the same thing it's merely an expression of fashionable multiculturalism? The most important priority for the left is not to offer any answer at all to such questions. They would much prefer to maintain Orwells definition of fascism as anything not desirable, thus excluding their own fascistic proclivities from inquiring eyes. When they are forced to answer, however, the response is usually more instinctive, visceral, or dismissively mocking than rational or principled. Their logic seems to be that multiculturalism, the peace cops, and such are good things, things that Liberals approve of- and good things CAN'T be fascist by simple virtue of the fact Liberals approve of them.

And by the way, because you're a Liberal I'm aware that your playbook tells you this must be from Stormfront, it's not. A jew wrote this.

 

[Prokofievian]

It's not that we can't provide an example, it's that it's so frightening that you are asking for one as if it's difficult to produce, implying that there is no point in giving you an example because you are obviously blind to it.

Which is, of course, a line of reasoning that you'd never accept in a million years if it were being used to support something you're against. Feminism, for example. If a feminist told you that ''It's not that we can't provide an example, it's that it's so frightening that you are asking for one as if it's difficult to produce, implying that there is no point in giving you an example because you are obviously blind to it,'' you would respond how?

 

[TheComebackKid]

I don't think people were guilt tripped into voting for obama (well outside of African americans) but it was a major motivation for many.

It's also true that liberal/democratic pundits, politicians, and everyday people played the race card an awful lot. They didnt often blatantly call people racists but they insinuated pretty heavily over the past 6 yrs.

 

[steveflynn]

Within the topic of the leftist type of fascism and slander you can't see (lol) I'll quote this.

Certain quarters of the left assert that "Zionism equals racism" and that Israelis are equivalent to Nazis. As invidious and problematic as those comparisons are, why aren't we hearing similar denunciations of groups ranging from the National Council of La Raza-that is, "The Race"- to the radical Hispanic group MEChA, whose motto, "Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada" -means "Everything for the race, nothing outside the race"? Why is it that when a white man spouts such sentiments it's "objectively" fascist, but when a person of color says the same thing it's merely an expression of fashionable multiculturalism? The most important priority for the left is not to offer any answer at all to such questions. They would much prefer to maintain Orwells definition of fascism as anything not desirable, thus excluding their own fascistic proclivities from inquiring eyes. When they are forced to answer, however, the response is usually more instinctive, visceral, or dismissively mocking than rational or principled. Their logic seems to be that multiculturalism, the peace cops, and such are good things, things that Liberals approve of- and good things CAN'T be fascist by simple virtue of the fact Liberals approve of them.

And by the way, because you're a Liberal I'm aware that your playbook tells you this must be from Stormfront, it's not. A jew wrote this.

Sweet, you really love pointing out how it's actually liberals (and not conservatives) who are the 21st century's "fascists" and seem quite obsessed about quoting Jonah Goldberg. Also, I absolutely love the white man grievance quote in the middle of the quoted paragraph.

 

[lfd0311]

Sorry, this response by you says absolutely nothing about your previous assertion that liberals/the liberal media have said that all of the GOP filibusters in the Senate were brought about because of the President's race. Your response is totally bland, unsubstantive and does absolutely nothing to address my refutation of your previous assertion.

Here's just one for the two of you. This woman is a Professor of Liberal Arts at Occidental College.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o_ZfFPWtD0

https://www.oxy.edu/faculty/caroline-heldman

I'll get to Rachel Maddow if you want me to, or you could just go to Youtube and type in "Rachel Maddow racism" and watch the videos that pop up. The two of you are apparently blind to this..