Is gsp vs Hendricks still the most controversial fight of all time ?

[pankrat]

He said he was leaving, of course Dana was gonna bury him

Say Hi from Alberta, Canada.

Every single media outlet gave the fight to Hendricks, did they want to bury poor Georges?

Dana has said plenty of times he disagreed with a judges decision, was somebady leaving then?

He saw Hendricks winning as 90% of people who watched the fight, and 100% outside of Canada. Its what it is

 

[Grappler111]

Hendricks won that fight.

 

[MCS]

GSP/Penn 1 was controversial because it was 1-1 going into the 3rd and Penn did more damage (better strikes overall, broke his nose with an uppercut, also eye poke was a factor). Then the shoulder lock in the last 30 seconds of round 3. GSP also held him against the fence for the majority of that round and even round 2, while Penn won the brief stand-up exchanges. Current rules Penn wins 29-28.

 

[Georges St Pierre]

I was at the shopping mall lately doing some grocery and I was surprised to still heard a conversation about who won between George and Johnny, the fact that people still talk about it 8 years ago just show at what point this fight was polarized. Johnny won it imo.

Johnny won handily

 

[Dan Torrance]

It probably still is.

Like it or not the ghost of gsp still looms over the sport as the p4p goat in the eyes of just about anyone that's been at least a casual since the 00's.

If you try to nail it down to just one person most people will say gsp or fedor.

I'm not saying it couldn't have been Jones or CCC just that it's not.

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

I was at the shopping mall lately doing some grocery and I was surprised to still heard a conversation about who won between George and Johnny, the fact that people still talk about it 8 years ago just show at what point this fight was polarized. Johnny won it imo.

chances of this actually happening are extremely low, you are lying and thats pretty sad

 

[pankrat]

It probably still is.

Like it or not the ghost of gsp still looms over the sport as the p4p goat in the eyes of just about anyone that's been at least a casual since the 00's.

If you try to nail it down to just one person most people will say gsp or fedor.

I'm not saying it couldn't have been Jones or CCC just that it's not.

Anyone that has been at least a casual since the '00s knows that Silva was widely regarded above GSP as #1 p4p in the world during GSP's best years

 

[Dan Torrance]

Anyone that has been at least a casual since the '00s knows that Silva was widely regarded above GSP as #1 p4p in the world during GSP's best years

yeah, I remember but time has held gsp in higher esteem although, the reason you mention, that's exactly the reason there is no goat yet. GSP never fought Silva it was never settled who the GOAT is and that is the fight that needed to happen but it never did. So, there is no GOAT, not yet anyway.

 

[pankrat]

yeah, I remember but time has held gsp in higher esteem although, the reason you mention, that's exactly the reason there is no goat yet. GSP never fought Silva it was never settled who the GOAT is and that is the fight that needed to happen but it never did. So, there is no GOAT, not yet anyway.

What you call "time" it could be called revisionism. Because its not like we are comparing fighters from different eras. Their championship runs happened at almost exact time, and most pundits the MMA community in general had Silva in higher regard during that whole time.

I dont think the debate would have been settled if they fought each other. Silva would most likely win - and was actually the favourite - but he was also bigger so I dont think is fair to judge them based on that.

Silva was regarded higher than GSP mainly because of his superior abilitty to put away his competition.

 

[Dan Torrance]

What you call "time" it could be called revisionism. Because its not like we are comparing fighters from different eras. Their championship runs happened at almost exact time, and most pundits the MMA community in general had Silva in higher regard during that whole time.

I dont think the debate would have been settled if they fought each other. Silva would most likely win - and was actually the favourite - but he was also bigger so I dont think is fair to judge them based on that.

Silva was regarded higher than GSP mainly because of his superior abilitty to put away his competition.

nah, gsp would have taken him down and controlled him for all 5 rounds.

I remember the opinions at the time. They're wrong.

The writing should have been on the wall after Sonnen vs Silva 1.

I remember all the GSP hate. I remember Silva seeming invincible in everyone's eyes and how he continued to evolve even as he began to fade and I remember everyone being in denial of it too.

Look but it still goes back to then, gsp, silva, Fedor.

After years and years of anti Fedor rhetoric by the UFC people are starting to forget him but it still goes back to those guys.

The new kids on the block haven't done enough to shake those guys off and that's how you know that they aint it.

There's no Goat yet.

 

[amano]

Nothing can beat Shogun Machida 1

By winning with leg kicks??

 

[pankrat]

nah, gsp would have taken him down and controlled him for all 5 rounds.

I remember the opinions at the time. They're wrong.

The writing should have been on the wall after Sonnen vs Silva 1.

I remember all the GSP hate. I remember Silva seeming invincible in everyone's eyes and how he continued to evolve even as he began to fade and I remember everyone being in denial of it too.

Look but it still goes back to then, gsp, silva, Fedor.

After years and years of anti Fedor rhetoric by the UFC people are starting to forget him but it still goes back to those guys.

The new kids on the block haven't done enough to shake those guys off and that's how you know that they aint it.

There's no Goat yet.

GOAT is subjective obviously and yeah, Fedor, Silva and GSP are the men before Jones arrived.

GSP would have been an underdog vs Silva in his prime. You can't say otherwise with no argument behind it but odds at the time disagree with you.

The "Sonnen did this so GSP would do it easier" is, with all due respect. simpleton as fuck. Textbook shertard science actually.

You didnt watch GSP taking down bigger guys and when he did vs Bisping, you could see why weightclasses exist for a reason. He wasnt able to pass guard and posture up as he used to do on WWs, he was having trouble not getting cut with elbows and controlling the posture.

GSP's TDs were also very dependant on controlling the range and timing the TD off exchanges. Againt Silva, again, he would not control the range as he used to do vs WWs.
It's just a whole different ball game anywhere the fight took place.

Regardless of speculation, GSP refused to take on the challenge, because admittedly it was a very hight task, so as reading people in forums claiiming "nah, gsp would have taken him down and controlled him for all 5 rounds" sound pretty ridiculous.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Nah, I think its talked about a lot due to GSP's status but I view it as a close fight where I disagree with the result rather than a robbery, basically comes down to scoring one round in the 1st.

The worst should be Machida/Shogun 1, the worst robbery in a UFC title fight ever.

 

[Dan Torrance]

GOAT is subjective obviously and yeah, Fedor, Silva and GSP are the men before Jones arrived.

GSP would have been an underdog vs Silva in his prime. You can't say otherwise with no argument behind it but odds at the time disagree with you.

The "Sonnen did this so GSP would do it easier" is, with all due respect. simpleton as fuck. Textbook shertard science actually.

You didnt watch GSP taking down bigger guys and when he did vs Bisping, you could see why weightclasses exist for a reason. He wasnt able to pass guard and posture up as he used to do on WWs, he was having trouble not getting cut with elbows and controlling the posture.

GSP's TDs were also very dependant on controlling the range and timing the TD off exchanges. Againt Silva, again, he would not control the range as he used to do vs WWs.
It's just a whole different ball game anywhere the fight took place.

Regardless of speculation, GSP refused to take on the challenge, because admittedly it was a very hight task, so as reading people in forums claiiming "nah, gsp would have taken him down and controlled him for all 5 rounds" sound pretty ridiculous.

LOL I understand that the Silva vs GSP debate will always be just that a debate.

That's kind of my point here.

They, at the time, didn't have the fight(s) that would have overturned the 'Fedor is goat' meme.

You can make arguments that Jones had a greater run but that's just UFC propaganda. Jones relied on timing, those guys were all on the decline, and he had a very clear size advantage.

Once he fought a guy his own age and size, with a significant reach disadvantage, mind you, he won a razer close decision. He beat a washed up version of the guy years later and when he finally faced a guy his own size, and age but still with a reach disadvantage, in Reyes, again, razer thin win that could very easily have went the other way, and then He hendix'd the guy.

My point remains we haven't seen the goat yet, and if we have, if he's among the roster right now it hasn't been made clear yet. The opportunity is there.

 

[pankrat]

LOL I understand that the Silva vs GSP debate will always be just that a debate.

That's kind of my point here.

They, at the time, didn't have the fight(s) that would have overturned the 'Fedor is goat' meme.

You can make arguments that Jones had a greater run but that's just UFC propaganda. Jones relied on timing, those guys were all on the decline, and he had a very clear size advantage.

Once he fought a guy his own age and size, with a significant reach disadvantage, mind you, he won a razer close decision. He beat a washed up version of the guy years later and when he finally faced a guy his own size, and age but still with a reach disadvantage, in Reyes, again, razer thin win that could very easily have went the other way, and then He hendix'd the guy.

My point remains we haven't seen the goat yet, and if we have, if he's among the roster right now it hasn't been made clear yet. The opportunity is there.

I agree.
There is no clear GOAT and I doubt there ever will be. Not even in boxing with 100+ years of history there is clear-cut GOAT even if Ray Robinson is the most common pick

 

[Fioretti]

nah, gsp would have taken him down and controlled him for all 5 rounds.

I remember the opinions at the time. They're wrong.

The writing should have been on the wall after Sonnen vs Silva 1.

I remember all the GSP hate. I remember Silva seeming invincible in everyone's eyes and how he continued to evolve even as he began to fade and I remember everyone being in denial of it too.

Look but it still goes back to then, gsp, silva, Fedor.

After years and years of anti Fedor rhetoric by the UFC people are starting to forget him but it still goes back to those guys.

The new kids on the block haven't done enough to shake those guys off and that's how you know that they aint it.

There's no Goat yet.

I'm not sure you understand that the first Sonnen fight proves the opposite of what you're saying. A bigger, stronger, more decorated wrestler couldn't get the W despite the fact that he was juiced to the gills with 16.9:1 T/E ratio against an injured Silva, landed a record amount of strikes at the time, and was in top position for the majority of the fight. He got sliced up from the bottom, was neutralized while in top position, and wasn't able to land anything significant other than a bunch of annoying pitter patter, point scoring shots. Ultimately, Sonnen submitted to the champ. That fight showed that Silva was able to take anything that was thrown at him, against a juiced up opponent, while injured, and still impose his will.

It basically showed GSP had no path to victory. Which is likely why he never wanted the fight.

 

[pankrat]

I'm not sure you understand that the first Sonnen fight proves the opposite of what you're saying. A bigger, stronger, more decorated wrestler couldn't get the W despite the fact that he was juiced to the gills with 16.9:1 T/E ratio against an injured Silva, landed a record amount of strikes at the time, and was in top position for the majority of the fight. He got sliced up from the bottom, was neutralized while in top position, and wasn't able to land anything significant other than a bunch of annoying pitter patter, point scoring shots. Ultimately, Sonnen submitted to the champ. That fight showed that Silva was able to take anything that was thrown at him, against a juiced up opponent, while injured, and still impose his will.

It basically showed GSP had no path to victory. Which is likely why he never wanted the fight.

nah, gsp would have taken him down and controlled him for all 5 rounds.

I remember the opinions at the time. They're wrong.

The writing should have been on the wall after Sonnen vs Silva 1.

I remember all the GSP hate. I remember Silva seeming invincible in everyone's eyes and how he continued to evolve even as he began to fade and I remember everyone being in denial of it too.

Look but it still goes back to then, gsp, silva, Fedor.

After years and years of anti Fedor rhetoric by the UFC people are starting to forget him but it still goes back to those guys.

The new kids on the block haven't done enough to shake those guys off and that's how you know that they aint it.

There's no Goat yet.

Regarding of fantasy math ups:

1- Odds favoured Silva in that match up at the time

2 -Silva got more finishes vs Sonnen alone than GSP in his whole championship run.

Let's read it twice:
Silva got more finishes vs Sonnen alone than GSP in his whole championship run.

 

[Dan Torrance]

I'm not sure you understand that the first Sonnen fight proves the opposite of what you're saying. A bigger, stronger, more decorated wrestler couldn't get the W despite the fact that he was juiced to the gills with 16.9:1 T/E ratio against an injured Silva, landed a record amount of strikes at the time, and was in top position for the majority of the fight. He got sliced up from the bottom, was neutralized while in top position, and wasn't able to land anything significant other than a bunch of annoying pitter patter, point scoring shots. Ultimately, Sonnen submitted to the champ. That fight showed that Silva was able to take anything that was thrown at him, against a juiced up opponent, while injured, and still impose his will.

It basically showed GSP had no path to victory. Which is likely why he never wanted the fight.

Look, I was mad about that fight too. It was a great fight, one of the top 10 at least and, for me personally, it was, other than a fight that's a little closer to home, the greatest build up to and fight itself that ever happened in mma.

I get that people like this idea that because he beat Sonnen, with that hail Marry sub, that he didn't get exposed. Except that he did and by the person no one wanted to, Chael Sonnen, I understand I'm leaving out the Chael fan's at the time but I was a hater. I couldn't beleive this guy felt he had anything for Anderson Silva and the gall of it all, but I saw him beat Anderson Silva round after round until the very end of the fifth round with that sub.

It's just what happened, Anderson Silva got exposed by Chael yet he still pulled out the win. It was an incredible fight. I get it though I do, I tried to believe in that story you tell too. I tried but I just couldn't deny what I saw, even if it wasn't what I wanted to see. It took me time to be able to appreciate it.

 

[Fioretti]

Look, I was mad about that fight too. It was a great fight, one of the top 10 at least and, for me personally, it was, other than a fight that's a little closer to home, the greatest build up to and fight itself that ever happened in mma.

I get that people like this idea that because he beat Sonnen, with that hail Marry sub, that he didn't get exposed. Except that he did and by the person no one wanted to, Chael Sonnen, I understand I'm leaving out the Chael fan's at the time but I was a hater. I couldn't beleive this guy felt he had anything for Anderson Silva and the gall of it all, but I saw him beat Anderson Silva round after round until the very end of the fifth round with that sub.

It's just what happened, Anderson Silva got exposed by Chael yet he still pulled out the win. It was an incredible fight. I get it though I do, I tried to believe in that story you tell too. I tried but I just couldn't deny what I saw, even if it wasn't what I wanted to see. It took me time to be able to appreciate it.

What you saw was an injured Silva submit a guy who was juiced to the gills after being on his back for the majority of the fight. That's literally what you saw. It showed that even in his most vulnerable state, he was able to finish his opponent. Then he finished him again in their rematch. Exposed? It only exposed him as a true champion who never quits and can never be counted out.

 

[pankrat]

Look, I was mad about that fight too. It was a great fight, one of the top 10 at least and, for me personally, it was, other than a fight that's a little closer to home, the greatest build up to and fight itself that ever happened in mma.

I get that people like this idea that because he beat Sonnen, with that hail Marry sub, that he didn't get exposed. Except that he did and by the person no one wanted to, Chael Sonnen, I understand I'm leaving out the Chael fan's at the time but I was a hater. I couldn't beleive this guy felt he had anything for Anderson Silva and the gall of it all, but I saw him beat Anderson Silva round after round until the very end of the fifth round with that sub.

It's just what happened, Anderson Silva got exposed by Chael yet he still pulled out the win. It was an incredible fight. I get it though I do, I tried to believe in that story you tell too. I tried but I just couldn't deny what I saw, even if it wasn't what I wanted to see. It took me time to be able to appreciate it.

It shouldnt't take you so much time to underatand this:

1- Sonnen got finished by Silva twice. 2 out of 2.

2 -Those are more finishes in tittle finishes than GSP in his whole championship run.

Its important that you understand this, and that odds favoured Silva.

3. You also need to underatnd how stupid you sound. Look:
"Serra exposed GSP. Imagine what Silva would have done"
That's exactly how you sound