Is DC the P4P best if he beats Jones!?

[The Natural Born Runner]

Calling 8 guys who got to a title fight 'mostly cans' is why I'm done here. Faber in 2016 is top comp and Scott Jorgensen is a world beater but Benavidez, Dodson, McCall, (doped up) Bagautinov, bunch of cans.

I think you're forgetting the following individuals son...

John Moraga (Who he beat?)
Chris Cariaso (Certified CAN)
Ali Bagautinov (EPO posterboy)
Ian McCall (Who beat his ass the first time) - who I think people overrate because he's pretty much beaten nobody.

Faber at 37 is better than all 4 of those guys, and probably Horiguchi also.

Jorgensen was never anything special, but at least he had some names on the record, unlike those guys I mentioned.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Like I said in my initial post. MM has improved a lot since 2011. Proof is in the results. He won all his rematches much more handily, against guys who weren't well past it. Good fight against TJ. I'm not the one calling anyone a can.

3 to 4 of them man are cans.

The whole top 15 is weak.

Dodson and Benavidez smoke everyone else.

 

[Which Doctor]

I don't know if he'd be the best at HW, but he'd definitely be top 5.

I haven't thought much about how he'd match up with a lot of HWs, but I'd pick him over Stipe, tbh.

I think he still may rip it up because of his speed and composure. However, he's approaching his date w/ father time, so you never know. But he's been a boss in 2 very dangerous WC's.

 

[Which Doctor]

ok benny leonard still not irrelevant

He's also not related to the Cat's original point.

Yet you keep mentioning him.

 

[cyrusthevyrus]

 

[method115]

I hate P4P it means nothing, it was invented as a way for small boxers to feel relevant, a very long time ago, and now MMA adopts those dumb phrases.

And once again it's being used to make small fighters feel relevant. The UFC is trying it's best to make MM popular last I heard though it's getting better.

 

[Jimmy jump]

Oh my god you can't read man.

I never said he's riding 5 consecutive defenses, did I?

What I said was that he has 7 title fight wins in his repertoire, 5 of which were defenses of his belt. What on earth does it matter if they were consecutive or not, he didn't even lose?

You're telling me that a piece of leather and gold means you're the best fighter in the world? No! The best fighter in the world is the guy who beats the best fighters in the best and most impressive ways. Cruz has beaten the better competition, including Johnson himself and Johnson refuses to move up and fight him again.

Cruz deserves special points because of the incredible odds he has overcome.

I cannot believe your argument is based off of him being stripped due to inactivity caused by injury.

Cruz is a boring, decision machine. The word impressive doesn't belong in the same paragraph as Cruz.

 

[Harmonica]

Bisping is P4P King and GOAT.

 

[$uicideboy$]

He's also not related to the Cat's original point.

Yet you keep mentioning him.

wtf are u talking about

 

[Which Doctor]

wtf are u talking about

Word association failed you. Precisely the reason you don't understand "what the fuck I is talking about".

You're okay, but stop bringing up SRR because it's not applicable to the comment you responded to.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Cormier was top-3 pound for pound after the Rumble win. Even if he loses to Jones again he will still be top 3.

 

[$uicideboy$]

Word association failed you. Precisely the reason you don't understand "what the fuck I is talking about".

You're okay, but stop bringing up SRR because it's not applicable to the comment you responded to.

benny leonard and SRR are not the same person

 

[Deleted member 196663]

No, because Jones isn't p4p 1. Mighty Mouse all day long.

Cormier is one of the few elite fighters that can compete in the top-3 in two different weight divisions. In a hypothetical debate, that is actual evidence of pound for pound greatness. Losing and then running to a lower weight class is not evidence.

 

[BRaVo cHoKe]

I hate P4P it means nothing, it was invented as a way for small boxers to feel relevant, a very long time ago, and now MMA adopts those dumb phrases.

Absolutely the truth. I wish MMA media outlets and the fanbase as whole would drop it. And if the term had to survive then the only time it should be applied is to reference fighters who fight in more than one weight class.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Cruz is a boring, decision machine. The word impressive doesn't belong in the same paragraph as Cruz.

You're an idiot lol.

A "boring decision machine"

Demetrious knocks one guy out cold and now he's Chuck Liddell lol.

Look, I respect DJ and I have him solidly at my No. 4 spot on my list, but you cannot have him over Cruz - especially based on competition and based on fighting style.

You guys have SUCH A SHORT MEMORY!

Do you guys not remember the McCall fights, Dodson I and Benavidez I? They were super competitive and the one thing I would not say about those performances is that they were exciting - because he was the wrestle-heavy boring one in those fights, not his opponents.

Was he "exciting" against Dodson the second time? Did he ever go for a finish? Nope...

He sounds a lot like Cruz to me.

 

[Jimmy jump]

You're an idiot lol.

A "boring decision machine"

Demetrious knocks one guy out cold and now he's Chuck Liddell lol.

Look, I respect DJ and I have him solidly at my No. 4 spot on my list, but you cannot have him over Cruz - especially based on competition and based on fighting style.

You guys have SUCH A SHORT MEMORY!

Do you guys not remember the McCall fights, Dodson I and Benavidez I? They were super competitive and the one thing I would not say about those performances is that they were exciting - because he was the wrestle-heavy boring one in those fights, not his opponents.

Was he "exciting" against Dodson the second time? Did he ever go for a finish? Nope...

He sounds a lot like Cruz to me.

DJ has 5 finishes since he won the title. Cruz has 1. So go and suck off your boring decision machine....it doesn't change the facts.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

DJ has 5 finishes since he won the title. Cruz has 1. So go and suck off your boring decision machine....it doesn't change the facts.

Who has he finished?

The only one that really impressed me was Benavidez, I'll even give you Cejudo for the fashion it happened in.

Mayweather can retire for 2 years, but when he returns and 12-0's Marquez, he proves he is still the best - doesn't matter how many Pacquaio wins have occurred in between.

My point is, Cruz has been inactive, but upon his return he's been flawless.

You have to at least admit that there is an argument for Cruz to be above him, surely?

 

[F0od]

 

[anthony stark]

nope

Your av and reply complements each other

 

[sadclown]

You're hilarious.

You think he's achieved more than Cruz?

Cruz came back and beat Dillashaw after almost 3 years of inactivity, blown ACLs and a torn quad.

He also embarassed Faber who is more credible than almost all of DJ's wins.

That's very impressive by Cruz.

But if we are to compare resumes, the fact is:

MM has 8 title defenses.
Cruz has 1.