Is Dariush a bad matchup for Oliveira?

[Argonaut]

Charles might be the least respected champion in history. Anyone can beat him according to Sherdog..

His champion respect level is somewhere between Carla Esparza and Forest Griffin..

True, he gets no respect from most of sherdog. Crazy considering his finishing rate and 9 fight win streak. The losses over 4 years ago can't be let go.

 

[jx820]

Prime Miller subbed Oliviera
Lentz isn't a great grappler
the Chandler fight was mostly a standup fight

IF getting a bunch of subs in MMA isn't how we tell a great grappler from less impressive one, what's the criteria? Cause I feel like you're going to say BJJ credentials that didn't translate well to MMA, but that can't possibly be it.

 

[drbolony]

Absolutely, there's a reason Chuck avoided that fight, and I've always wondered why. I think it has something to do with the grappling if I'm being honest (as Dariush fan), Oliveira is a better, cleaner striker. Dariush makes really good decisions and blends his grappling and striking well though. Fun match up.

 

[JKS]

Prime Miller subbed Oliviera
Lentz isn't a great grappler
the Chandler fight was mostly a standup fight

But there was a sequence where Olivera took Chandler down which showed his TD game, and he had nearly 2 mins of control time taking his back. And then he played defense of his back after getting rocked. Most of the fight was on the ground.

 

[Dude Incredible]

True, he gets no respect from most of sherdog. Crazy considering his finishing rate and 9 fight win streak. The losses over 4 years ago can't be let go.

Everyone is ready for him to lose so they can give him the Tony Ferguson treatment. "Oh who'd he beat on the streak? Cans." and of course "He was never that good anyway"
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Charles has interesting match-ups with a lot of the top lightweights and am excited for his fight with Poirier and if he wins that who ever is after it including Dariush. I definitely think how well rounded Dariush is presents problems to just about anybody. I think the suggested fight plays out competitively so I wouldn't call it a bad match-up.

 

[fortheo]

@fortheo I think this subject interests you, what's your take on this matchup

I misread this as "Dariush vs. Islam" thread lol. I had written a few paragraphs and then had to delete it. Anyways, Dariush is indeed a tough fight for Oliveira. I'd slightly favor Oliveira just because he's so damn good at finding the finish and I think Dariush gasses a little and is too willing to get into brawls, but It's really, really close. Dariush could possibly control oliveira from top position for the majority of the fight and win a boring fight that way.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

I don't know about better wrestling. Oliveira IMO has the best wrestling at LW other than Chandler, Islam, RDA and Gregor.

 

[fortheo]

I think he's a grittier fighter than Oliviera and carries enough power in his hands to hurt him, I also believe he has better wrestling and is much more proven against high-level grapplers (CDF), has Oliveira beat any good grapplers in his entire career?

Oliveira while is the slicker submission snatcher, I believe Beneil is the more methodical of the two and won't make a lot of positional mistakes, and his improved wrestling should help a lot in maintaining a smothering position.

Oliveira did beat Ferguson though, but I would classify Ferguson as an opportunistic submission artist rather than a high-level grappler mainly because of his poor positional awareness.

the most glaring issue for Dariush is his striking defense and his willingness to walk into fire to get those takedowns and Oliveira has been a sniper lately.

Oliveira has faced tons of high level grapplers from Div I wrestlers, to some of the highest regarded black belts. Actually, he may have faced more grapplers than any other type of style.


Hatsu hioki, VERY high level BJJ, once considered one of the best submission grapplers at FW: subbed by Oliveira in a grappler's wet dream fight.

Nick lentz DIV I wrestler: Look at the grappling exchanges between Lentz and Islam, then compare them to oliveira submitting Lentz.

Kevin Lee: Obviously a good grappler, but lacks in heart and cardio: subbed by Oliveira

Jim miller DIV I wrestler, also bjj black belt: Oliveira finished him on his recent run

Tony ferguson, NCWA wrestler, bjj black belt: oliveira tooled him

Darren elkins, NCAA div II wrestler, Brown belt: subbed by oliveira, and oliveira is the only one ever to do that.

Clay guida, pretty much only wrestles and made a UFC career off of it: subbed by oliveira

Myles Jury, legit bjj black belt: subbed by oliveira

 

[fortheo]

I don't know about better wrestling. Oliveira IMO has the best wrestling at LW other than Chandler, Islam, RDA and Gregor.

Offensively, Oliveiras wrestling is very underrated. I just don't know if he has defensive wrestling because he doesn't care about being on his back, and that can cost him against someone like Dariush.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Offensively, Oliveiras wrestling is very underrated. I just don't know if he has defensive wrestling because he doesn't care about being on his back, and that can cost him against someone like Dariush.

That's true, but I could see either fighter taking the other down and getting the better of the grappling. If Oliveira gets Dariush down first his TDD might not be a factor.

 

[Kratos94]

I see Dariush as a more calculated Tony.

He's still wild at times but he's a dog. Good power, really decent standup and good ground game.

He's a tough matchup for anyone.

A more calculated Tony? Dariush literally does everything better than him lmao

Ferguson is more comparable to Condit

 

[Sticko]

IF getting a bunch of subs in MMA isn't how we tell a great grappler from less impressive one, what's the criteria? Cause I feel like you're going to say BJJ credentials that didn't translate well to MMA, but that can't possibly be it.

In addition to getting subs
Ability to defend subs
Ability to sweep or neutralize the opponent from the bottom
Top control
Ability to get to favorable positions in a scramble

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Yup, if it went to the ground he would control Oliveria and probably ground and pound him and win a decision. I would have said before he would finish him on the ground, but Oliveria has become more tough and doesn't wilt easily like he used to, so I think a decision for Dariush

 

[Thesnake101]

If he had better conditioning then sure, but as it stands I think Charles subs him in the championship rounds.

 

[HuskySamoan]

I think Charles is quicker, the crisper striker and better wrestler personally but Dariush definitely can swarm and pressure well. I'd favor Oliveira.

 

[MartiniSIDe]

A more calculated Tony? Dariush literally does everything better than him lmao

Ferguson is more comparable to Condit

Recency bias is strong here.

Not too long ago, Tony was considered as a top striker and grappler on here. He's wild, not technically perfect but it worked for him. Roy Jones also could get away with things that werent technically correct because of natural instincts and his athleticism. Same with Tony.

He got old, thats it.

Dariush is more technically sound but he still gets wild and unorthodox in almost every fight. Condit is a rangy striker who used a lot of kicks and his grappling was basically him from the bottom. Dariush is much more compact, pressures way more and you rarely see him from his back.

 

[jx820]

In addition to getting subs
Ability to defend subs
Ability to sweep or neutralize the opponent from the bottom
Top control
Ability to get to favorable positions in a scramble

You know in fairness, I don't actually know how Charles Olivera has done against guys who are good in a scramble but not good at finishing fights with submissions. I looked around a bit, but it doesn't seem to be a statistic anybody bothers tracking.

 

[Goldentrophy]

I think he's a grittier fighter than Oliviera and carries enough power in his hands to hurt him, I also believe he has better wrestling and is much more proven against high-level grapplers (CDF), has Oliveira beat any good grapplers in his entire career?

Oliveira while is the slicker submission snatcher, I believe Beneil is the more methodical of the two and won't make a lot of positional mistakes, and his improved wrestling should help a lot in maintaining a smothering position.

Oliveira did beat Ferguson though, but I would classify Ferguson as an opportunistic submission artist rather than a high-level grappler mainly because of his poor positional awareness.

the most glaring issue for Dariush is his striking defense and his willingness to walk into fire to get those takedowns and Oliveira has been a sniper lately.

Kevin Lee/Chandler are recent good grapplers he has defeated.

 

[Nobru]

Personally, I think Dariush is probably Oliveira's easiest top 5 opponent from a stylistic perspective. I doubt Benny goes for any takedowns, and as hard as he does hit, Oliveira's been in there with guys who hit much harder. His standup is good, but he leaves openings, and Oliveira 3.0 is vicious on the feet. For me, the biggest X-factor is the conditioning. Dariush has never been five rounds before, but he does show a tendency to get a little gassed in the 3rd. Champion Chucky's conditioning is legit, so I can picture him winning via finish in the later rounds.

Btw, I like Dariush a lot, and I'd be happy if he won the title. This is just technical analysis.

very good one

 

[Bilzerian]

Maybe. Beneil will smash Do Bronx