Sure, they have great genes, but they also don't believe enough in their athletic ability and technique to compete without PEDs.
To put it another way, if the Jones brothers didn't think PEDs would meaningfully help them, why would they risk getting suspended from competition.
Would Jon Jones look at be as fast and powerful without PEDs? Probably not.
No you are wrong, DC came to UFC at 30 and became champ in both LHW and HWYou dont understand athleticism nor the point of this thread.
The fact that was Mitrione able to compete at any level of mma at a professional level AFTER his NFL career washout, after his prime years is an indication of the superior athleticism he and nfl calibre athletes posses.
Mma fighters cannot go into the nfl at 30 after their careers are washed up and compete
No you are wrong, DC came to UFC at 30 and became champ in both LHW and HW
There are way more athletes from other combat sports who had a good run in MMA and did much better if not performed as equivalent to those guys from NFL you've listed which automatically refutes your point.
Whether MMA athletes can transition to NFL is completely irrelevant point which has nothing to do with this topic. MMA is a unification of all combat sports, you transition to MMA not the reverse.
Same way no NFL player will ever transition to wrestling win medals at the olympics.
I've been telling you this since the very first post I wrote here, I'm glad you finally get it.Cormier is also a world class athlete
Which only further illustrates the significance of athleticism.
A better athlete will exceed even if they start late in life as DC, Mitrione Schaub etc have done
I've been telling you this since the very first post I wrote here, I'm glad you finally get it.
No better athletes does not make better fighters, good fighters are good athletes, there are subtlety in that.U lost me
But if we agree better athletes make fighters than we are in agreement
No better athletes does not make better fighters, good fighters are good athletes, there are subtlety in that.
muhammad ali most likely would NOT have been a world class pro athlete in other sports but he is an incredible athlete in boxing.
You are going circular now, to become the world's best in MMA you need both skills and athleticism, I'm sure you can at least admit to this.Anyone who has participated in combat sports or any sports knows the pertinence of better athleticism.
Better athlete skill > inferior athlete w same skill
You are going circular now, to become the world's best in MMA you need both skills and athleticism, I'm sure you can at least admit to this.
You seem to not understand the difference in athleticism needed in combat sports vs traditional sportsThe calibre of athleticism currently in mma is way lower than other sports.
Guys like Jones and DC are high in athleticism and skill (jones inferior to his bros/NFL calibre and more skill)
but overwhelmingly athleticism in mma its relatively low obviously because of the compensation.
But its definitely a far cry from a decade ago when math teachers, cops, firemen and costco repair men were champions
You are going circular now, to become the world's best in MMA you need both skills and athleticism, I'm sure you can at least admit to this.
No you are wrong, DC came to UFC at 30 and became champ in both LHW and HW
There are way more athletes from other combat sports who had a good run in MMA and did much better if not performed as equivalent to those guys from NFL you've listed which automatically refutes your point.
Whether MMA athletes can transition to NFL is completely irrelevant point which has nothing to do with this topic. MMA is a unification of all combat sports, you transition to MMA not the reverse.
Same way no NFL player will ever transition to wrestling and win medals at the olympics.
The calibre of athleticism currently in mma is way lower than other sports.
Guys like Jones and DC are high in athleticism and skill (jones inferior to his bros/NFL calibre and more skill)
but overwhelmingly athleticism in mma its relatively low obviously because of the compensation.
But its definitely a far cry from a decade ago when math teachers, cops, firemen and costco repair men were champions
You seem to not understand the difference in athleticism needed in combat sports vs traditional sports
You are equivocating athleticism from traditional spots in combat sports(how fast you can run, how high you can jump etc) when you don't run or jump in MMA. (In all traditional spots basketball,nfl,tennis,baseball you run and jump)
Additionally I agree with you in that level of athleticism is getting better compared to the past but even in those days when math teachers and fireman were good fighters these guys all had a background in wrestling and other combat sports growing up.
UFC has many Olmypians competing in the sport, you will never see athletes from traditional sports crossing over with ease.