Is Cowboy Really a "Legend"?

SouthpawSouthernFist said:
He's maintained a reputation as a fighter that is willing to fight all comers at any time, and always put on a good show, win or lose. So by that standard, he could be a legend. Not all legends are A1 Giga-Chads like Conor.

That being said, Conor stole Cowboy's soul with their fight.
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Cowboy was done before the McGregor fight. That's why he was chosen. Respect for his career overall but he was a bum the last few.
 
Enigma87 said:
And winning most, you fuckstick.
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Cerrone was literally the favorite in almost all his UFC fights, and in particular the ones he won. Except for vs siver, not sure how cerrone didn't open as the favorite but the closing line was -250 cerrone.
 
bogeyj said:
people like to throw out these hyperbolic terms once someone retires (or dies).

you have sherdoggers acting like they weren't just calling Cowboy a bum a month ago,

and now that he's retired he's one of the best LW's to ever compete? {<huh}

Cowboy ain't a legend. a good fighter but not a legend. if we make an exception for Cowboy being some legendary fighter, then I guess guys like Joe Lauzon & Gray Maynard are also "legends" {<jordan}
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Cowboy is indeed a legend, he was one of the first guys to wear a cowboy hat and cowboy boots in the ring, and made it fashionable. He wears a Stetsons in the felt palmleaf in the white, and brown lucchese boots.

That alone makes him a legend.

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So many highlights, he broke records and fought a lot of the top guys at
both 155 and 170. He was always a top 5er in his prime, was top 5 in 2 weight classes. Headlined 9 different events, was always game to fight anybody and fight on short notice. Got 19 performance bonuses. Beat former and future champs and until he was super washed up the only guys that beat him either fought for a belt or were champion. Also beat Eddie and Benson who became champ. He has 8 head kick finishes in the UFC and finished a ton of tough guys that had never been finished before. Story had never been tko'd and fought a lot of tough competition, same with Cote and many others he finished.
 
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I don't take him as a legend. All this shit about most head kick knockouts, most fights... cool. You've done something a long time, congratz... but who has he beat? Any time he went against a top contender they fucked him up within 2 rounds. I think people just like his personality... I don't, partially because of the sexual assault allegations against him... I think he's prolly a dick but people just like this kooky Cowboy blue collar persona.
 
bogeyj said:
people like to throw out these hyperbolic terms once someone retires (or dies).

you have sherdoggers acting like they weren't just calling Cowboy a bum a month ago,

and now that he's retired he's one of the best LW's to ever compete? {<huh}

Cowboy ain't a legend. a good fighter but not a legend. if we make an exception for Cowboy being some legendary fighter, then I guess guys like Joe Lauzon & Gray Maynard are also "legends" {<jordan}
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Didn't read, you're a moron. Casual, noob, all of it.
 
He's like Chris Lytle 2.0 ... so yeah kinda. Not like an all time great or anything, but he's had some memorable fights, a prolific fight career, and a fan favorite at least for a time. I don't know if I'd call him a 'legend', but that's all just semantics really.
 
I've seen fighters who accomplished less get called legends, so why not. He was a consistent fan favorite for years despite never becoming champ. Having 23 wins in UFC in less than 10 years is also impressive. He's fought nearly everyone.
 
No not a legend but historically think he's the minimum bar for the HOF less deserving than Forrest but did enough for the win record to matter(unlike Jim Miller or Maia IMO).

He had a 8 fight winning streak when that was still a big deal(the record was once Liddell with 7 twice I think) and had the win record(as much of a flawed record as that is). He was often relevant but only 1 title fight and if you add his WEC title fights it makes it worse cause he lost all his title fights to more beatable opponents than someone like Faber(also one of the worst HOF fighters). If your feats for your era are the same as Cerrone and no longevity record they shouldn't make HOF.

Someone like Fitch should make it with 1 title fight cause they were clearly the second fighter in the division almost the whole time and would otherwise have the belt if not for 1 guy. Cerrone was more a top 5 guy for a few years sorta guy not the generational talent who should have been champ. The thing that got him the record was during that window he was more active than top 5 guys normally are. During his peak he usually fought 4-5 times a year and most relevant guys don't cause they trying to hold on to their place in line. His availability is the most notable thing about him but in the old days with 1 day tournaments that availability was fairly normal.

In terms of MMA ability at 155 and 170 the top of the game has moved way past him and didn't evolve with the sport as well as others in his generation.
 
nah, not a legend.

hes a journeyman.

there are different categories of fighters.


goats
legends
infamous
champions
top contender
contenders
journeymen
jobbers
amateurs

Cowboy was an accomplished journeyman
 
I don't think he is really a legend. His legendary stats or whatever are arbitrary ones. Is there a real cowboy moment that mainstream remembers? For me I loved that combination on Rick Story but it's not legendary iconic mma moment. He is often on the receiving end of another's highlights.

I would say he is a former contender that just fell out of contention or aged out. He retired and good for him. He isn't a bad fighter but he wasn't able to win when stakes were high.
 
I guess legend is a stretch but he gave a whole lot to MMA as a sport and was one of those "good guys" every industry needs and who you could feel good about supporting and never let anyone down. I guess you could say an unselfish attitude so it's nice if he's recognised and respected for that when all is said and done.
 
If so, it's for the wrong reasons. You could have Artem's .500 record and inevitably get the #1 amount of fights won and strikes landed if you just fought all the time. Winning 40 fights without holding a title isn't what you want to be known for, the best careers are guys who get in, win most or all of their fights, get a belt, clean out a division and then get out before they're washed up. Cowboy stayed long past his experation date and acted as a good company gatekeeper/tuneup guy for prospects and Conor, and this is his consolation prize from the UFC.
 
Ultimate Gatekeeper imo. No legend. Never saw him have the skillset of a champion and when the goings got tougj he broke. Great career though.
 
Oeshon said:
nah, not a legend.

hes a journeyman.

there are different categories of fighters.


goats
legends
infamous
champions
top contender
contenders
journeymen
jobbers
amateurs

Cowboy was an accomplished journeyman
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He fought for a title so he was a contender at the very least.
 
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