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Would you imagine it's better than Adesanya's? Both defense from take downs, defense when being taken down and offensive grappling.

Is it better than Anderson Silva's back in the day? Silva was way more of a striker, too.

Is it, hypothetically, better than Jiri's and Hill's?

Grappling only.

Discuss.
 
DrRodentia said:
Not a chance in hell that it's even close to what Anderson's was. That much is a fact.
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Especially the last few years of his title reign. Even Okami couldn't get him down once, and great wrestlers(Sonnen, Hendo and even Weidman) could not even take him down after round 1 as they had wasted so much energy controlling Anderson.
 
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His grappling skill seems to be a well kept secret... we haven't seen it in his fights and afik there 's been no leaks from his camp or training partners

I suspect it's slightly better than Issy, Hill and Jiri, simply because he's constantly training with Glover however it's nowhere near Silva's level... Spida had very good / confident jujitsu that he seldom needed to use
 
The Big Babou said:
His grappling skill seems to be a well kept secret... we haven't seen it in his fights and afik there 's been no leaks from his camp or training partners

I suspect it's slightly better than Issy, Hill and Jiri, simply because he's constantly training with Glover however it's nowhere near Silva's level... Spida had very good / confident jujitsu that he seldom needed to use
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dude got taken down and held down an entire round by by the fearsome wrestler Israel Adesanya. he likely has the worst grappling and wrestling in the entire LHW division. makes sense he's trying his level best to avoid Ankalaev like plague with stupid shit like ramadan title shot so he can run away in opposite direction
 
Luffy said:
Would you imagine it's better than Adesanya's? Both defense from take downs, defense when being taken down and offensive grappling.

Is it better than Anderson Silva's back in the day? Silva was way more of a striker, too.

Is it, hypothetically, better than Jiri's and Hill's?

Grappling only.

Discuss.
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Better takedown defense than Israel based on what? Israel has a much larger sample size of fighting guys who tried to take him down. Where is the evidence that Poatan has surpassed him there? Poatan perhaps fended Jan's wrestling a bit better at certain points than Israel, but Jan was older and didn't have the big weight advantage (Israel didn't really bulk up for 205).

No chance at Silva. One Silva moved to 185, even when he was taken down by grapplers he still couldn't get finished. He's submitted a couple of great fighters including Hendo if I can recall.

Silva had good stretches of good takedown defense also, Damian Maia had a million attempts and had no luck. Don't think Okami faired any better. Both guys are some of the better grapplers of the bigger weight classes.
 
We don't know. The scrambles we saw against Jan looked exponentially better than he looked against Izzy, but there are a lot of variables there. He could be a stud on the ground now. He could look like Mike Massenzio.

Anderson on the other hand, always had underrated grappling. I can't see Alex hitting the same switch that Andy hit on Marquardt or reversing Hendo. I can't see him getting outgrappled for nearly an entire fight and rocking his opponent from his back before landing the sub.
 
You cannot learn these skills overnight especially at the age of 38. Most of the elite grapplers are doing it all their lives and can make easy work of Poatan. No matter how much he trains with Glover, he will be easy work for an elite level grappler, but the questions is how long will he be able to avoid such a high level grappling match. He was taken down at will by Adesanya who is a kickboxer. He would be easy work for an elite grappler.

Aspinall already said he would make easy work of Poatan and take him down in the first minute submitting him very quickly.
 
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hector domino said:
dude got taken down and held down an entire round by by the fearsome wrestler Israel Adesanya. he likely has the worst grappling and wrestling in the entire LHW division. makes sense he's trying his level best to avoid Ankalaev like plague with stupid shit like ramadan title shot so he can run away in opposite direction
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He had a broken thumb(?) or something that prevented him from doing any grappling before the Adesanya fight, if I recall correctly.
 
It's funny that Alex haters pretend like Alex isn't working on his grappling every day.

He's had like 4 years to work on it. He is a fast learner / naturally gifted in MMA.

He's been tested a couple times on the ground. But the game plan when he gets taken down is to minimize submission risk and energy use so that he can bank on knocking his opponent out in the following round(s).

Has anyone ever done any actual damage to Alex while he's on the ground?
 
DrRodentia said:
Not a chance in hell that it's even close to what Anderson's was. That much is a fact.
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Fuck off.

Alex is better than Izzy, in every conceivable way, except speed.

Hope Alex actually challenges Izzy to a grappling match, because Pereira will win decisively.

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TheBulge said:
Especially the last few years of his title reign. Even Okami couldn't get him down once, and great wrestlers(Sonnen, Hendo and even Weidman) could not even take him down after round 1 as they had wasted so much energy controlling Anderson.
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This is so factually wrong to the point of legitimately being hilarious.

How in the world do you not know Sonnen took Anderson down all 5 rounds, and the fight literally ended with him on top getting triangled?

Weidman casually took him down an out grappled him with ease. He dribbled his head off the canvas like a basketball.
 
Luffy said:
Would you imagine it's better than Adesanya's? Both defense from take downs, defense when being taken down and offensive grappling.

Is it better than Anderson Silva's back in the day? Silva was way more of a striker, too.

Is it, hypothetically, better than Jiri's and Hill's?

Grappling only.

Discuss.
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These AI posts are pretty pathetic... No logical train of thought, incomplete sentences, could form a paragraph if it's electrons depended on it...
so much for "Intelligence".....
 
I think current day silva still could be competitive with alex and izzy on the ground. no way alex has the same grappling as silva did in his prime.
 
FreedomCricket said:
Has anyone ever done any actual damage to Alex while he's on the ground?
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Not that I've seen. People act like Jan put a masterclass on him but he wore himself out trying to maintain position for an entire round and got nothing done.
He trains with Glover, it can't be bad.
 
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