IQ

[$uperman]

I was at work, in the break they talked about like 2/3 or something like that of the Dutch youth are getting a higher education.

Co-worker 1: That's ridiculous. Only 20% of the population should have higher education. The rest are not smart enough.

$uperman: It makes sense to me. Every generation of the last decades is getting smarter. The keep the average at 100. But my grandparent's generation would have an average IQ of 70 compared to the new generation.

Co-worker 1: People of the past are as smart as people now. IQ is just made by some French guy to see to which education children should have. Ask Co-worker 2; he tested people for decades at his former job.

Co-worker 2: People are getting dumber, but they keep adjusting the test.

$uperman is looking confused.

Co-worker 3 (former math teacher): Children are getting more stupid.

$uperman still looks confused.

So are people getting smarter, staying the same or are they getting dumber?

 

[PrinceOfPain]

I don't know, but I regularly work/deal with people whose IQs are in the 70s range, and I struggle to believe that people with comparable IQs from 100 years ago developed anything lasting or meaningful in the West.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I was at work, in the break they talked about like 2/3 or something like that of the Dutch youth are getting a higher education.

Co-worker 1: That's ridiculous. Only 20% of the population should have higher education. The rest are not smart enough.

$uperman: It makes sense to me. Every generation of the last decades is getting smarter. The keep the average at 100. But my grandparent's generation would have an average IQ of 70 compared to the new generation.

Co-worker 1: People of the past are as smart as people now. IQ is just made by some French guy to see to which education children should have. Ask Co-worker 2; he tested people for decades at his former job.

Co-worker 2: People are getting dumber, but they keep adjusting the test.

$uperman is looking confused.

Co-worker 3 (former math teacher): Children are getting more stupid.

$uperman still looks confused.

So are people getting smarter, staying the same or are they getting dumber?

Well, going by the quality of the average Sherdog post...

 

[$uperman]

I don't know, but I regularly work/deal with people whose IQs are in the 70s range, and I struggle to believe that people with comparable IQs from 100 years ago developed anything lasting or meaningful in the West.

Yeah, most people of my grandparents' generation are normal people.

But IQ tests are improving each generation in the west.

So it is confusing.

 

[GOATER]

IQ test are bullshit.


Im sure people are performing better in IQ test because they actually go to school now, and practice math, reading, writing, etc thus in a way, they are practicing for an IQ test but that doesnt mean they are smarter than people before.


My grandparents, didn't have much schooling but I know they would destroy modern people in using their minds out in the real world.....in real problem solving, like figuring out how to do physical work, in a more efficient way.

I mean if part of the IQ test was how to tie a proper solid knot, most people these days, would fail.

I seen plenty of these "genius coder" kids here in college at the gym.....some kid couldn't put a barbell in some slot...He simply couldn't compute, how to angle it......Im sure the kid is somewhat high IQ......a person from back in the day wouldnt have any problem putting the barbell.

Having said that...I do believe people from back in the day, were more gullible.....but not idiots like IQ test would claim

 

[INTERL0PER]

Humans today are basically biologically identical to humans of 100 years. Hell, 1000 years ago. Those time periods are NOTHING when we're talking about evolutionary change.

However, education is far more common today. Literacy has never been higher (worldwide).

So, people today are definitely not "smarter/more intelligent", but it's probably a safe bet to say that, on the whole, people are more educated.

 

[$uperman]

IQ test are bullshit.


Im sure people are performing better in IQ test because they actually go to school now, and practice math, reading, writing, etc thus in a way, they are practicing for an IQ test but that doesnt mean they are smarter than people before.

That makes sense because an IQ test is basically language and math.

But Jordan Peterson said that IQ + productivity is the greatest predictors of success.

So IQ must be important.

 

[snakedafunky]

So are people getting smarter, staying the same or are they getting dumber?

One important thing when it comes to IQ or let's say intelligence is that your brain gets the needed nutrition when it is still developing.
Before or even sometime after WW2 there were constant food shortage or not balanced enough.
That used to have an impact on brain development that is now mostly gone in the western world.

So I would say that has contributed that in general people now are more intelligent.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

“Sorry losers and haters, but my IQ is one of the highest – and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure, it’s not your fault.”

SAD!

 

[Seaside]

I don't know, but I regularly work/deal with people whose IQs are in the 70s range, and I struggle to believe that people with comparable IQs from 100 years ago developed anything lasting or meaningful in the West.

Because differences exist. The same people gene wise had intelligence available 100 or 1000 years ago. All that changes is if they use or apply knowledge. There also theory of behavioral modification of genetic inheritance. Mean you cannot change your genetica but depending how your parents were behavior you couls inherit

 

[$uperman]

Humans today are basically biologically identical to humans of 100 years. Hell, 1000 years ago. Those time periods are NOTHING when we're talking about evolutionary change.

However, education is far more common today. Literacy has never been higher (worldwide).

So, people today are definitely not "smarter/more intelligent", but it's probably a safe bet to say that, on the whole, people are more educated.

So people are the same but better educated.

That's a good way to look at it.

Do you think that low IQ countries also can get an average IQ of 100 like Western countries, If they also get decades of good education?

East Asian countries take education very seriously and they have a high average IQ compared to the rest of the world.

 

[GOATER]

That makes sense because an IQ test is basically language and math.

But Jordan Peterson said that IQ + productivity is the greatest predictors of success.

So IQ must be important.

I mean math and language would expand your intelligence thus score higher in IQ.


But lets say Einstein, never learned math or language, instead his brain was dedicated to survival like caveman days...Im sure he would figure out shit in the real world easily.

However, if somebody gave him an IQ test....he would fail hard...since he has no idea about those concepts.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Because differences exist. The same people gene wise had intelligence available 100 or 1000 years ago. All that changes is if they use or apply knowledge. There also theory of behavioral modification of genetic inheritance. Mean you cannot change your genetica but depending how your parents were behavior you couls inherit

Sorry, I'm not really following what you're saying here.

 

[tonni]

Yeah, most people of my grandparents' generation are normal people.

But IQ tests are improving each generation in the west.

So it is confusing.

It's because they are more trained at taking IQ-tests.

 

[Ruprecht]

You were correct, it's called the Flynn effect, although it was under 3 points per decade and seems to have tapered off. Your estimate for your grandparents IQ seems considerably off.

 

[Seaside]

Sorry, I'm not really following what you're saying here.

Mesaage me i can explain better and not distract thread. It not so related

 

[nac386]

I have been around a lot of very intelligent people. I've never heard a single one of them bring up IQ. Nobody cares. If you are a capable person, then prove how capable you are by completing tasks and being productive.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

I was at work, in the break they talked about like 2/3 or something like that of the Dutch youth are getting a higher education.

Co-worker 1: That's ridiculous. Only 20% of the population should have higher education. The rest are not smart enough.

$uperman: It makes sense to me. Every generation of the last decades is getting smarter. The keep the average at 100. But my grandparent's generation would have an average IQ of 70 compared to the new generation.

Co-worker 1: People of the past are as smart as people now. IQ is just made by some French guy to see to which education children should have. Ask Co-worker 2; he tested people for decades at his former job.

Co-worker 2: People are getting dumber, but they keep adjusting the test.

$uperman is looking confused.

Co-worker 3 (former math teacher): Children are getting more stupid.

$uperman still looks confused.

So are people getting smarter, staying the same or are they getting dumber?

the flynn effect is real.

but imo, the breadth of knowledge is expanding to an insane degree, while the depth has become much shallower.

and the internet has made dumb people have even dumber opinions, while people with better critical thinking skills are better off.

 

[King Joffery]

IQ is definitely dropping, IQ is at least partially inherited and the dumbest in society tend to have far more kids than the intelligent.
Idiocracy is real.

 

[BEER]

There's no arguing that people today are more educated than the people of the past. That would directly result in higher IQ tests now.

Whether or not people today have a higher intelligence ceiling is a different, and largely unidentifiable question.