International/Olympic wrestling discussion.

US with a solid but not great performance. Winning 2 golds and 2 bronzes so far. Missouri’s college kids showing well.

Da boot country with a single 10th place participation finish due to being in small bracket.

Iran looking strong. I like the way they actually develop talent and make adjustments based off previous performances.
 
Update: US comes away with 3 golds and 2 bronze in men’s freestyle at UWW juniors. Good for 3rd place. Iran returning to form. Russia and Azerbaijan doing their thing. India continuing to show improvement. Italy ties for 25thas a participation award
 
Keegan O’Toole may be the future. Lots of potential.
 
US women with 3 champs and another finalist. 2 more wrestling for bronze.

And Italy has produced a finalist!!

Which leads one to suspect that some people simply are lazy and want easy medals. Rather than wanting to do the hard work to play with the big boys. Thank goodness for the women’s Italian team
 
Update : Italy has produced 19 Olympic medals in Greco Roman Wrestling (USA only 15). A nation with a wrestling style inside the schools defeated by a small country with 110 gyms LOL.
 
Update : Italy has produced 19 Olympic medals in Greco Roman Wrestling (USA only 15). A nation with a wrestling style inside the schools defeated by a small country with 110 gyms LOL.
Well, our scholastic wrestling is pretty different from Greco-Roman, to be fair.
 
All excuses.
A strong wrestler is a strong wrestler.
That's not an excuse at all! Greco-Roman is totally different from scholastic wrestling. And I'm happy for Italy's success, for crying out loud. But it is certainly a totally different style. It was totally foreign to me when I tried it.
 
That's not an excuse at all! Greco-Roman is totally different from scholastic wrestling. And I'm happy for Italy's success, for crying out loud. But it is certainly a totally different style. It was totally foreign to me when I tried it.

Small provocation!

Greco help freestyle. In Europe you can see cross training between Freestyle and Greco.
 
That's not an excuse at all! Greco-Roman is totally different from scholastic wrestling. And I'm happy for Italy's success, for crying out loud. But it is certainly a totally different style. It was totally foreign to me when I tried it.
He’s trying to get me back for pointing out how he’s trying to get his country cheap easy medals.

His obvious stupidity about the style training is due to him being deliberately ignorant of the fact that the “school system” wrestling is nothing like greco. He’s obviously not aware of the fact the most of the age group Greco in the US is done as a supplement to help out one’s freestyle/folk and not focused on at all by our top athletes.

More importantly though. Our Greco team is working hard to catch up to the rest of world. Whether or not they do.. they aren’t discussing switching to an easier style just to get medals because of the many difficulties faced in our country for them.
 
Small provocation!

Greco help freestyle. In Europe you can see cross training between Freestyle and Greco.
Greco helps with scholastic wrestling too. And certainly, scholastic wrestling surely helps with Greco to some degree, just like it would help with judo, BJJ, sambo, catch-wrestling, etc., but they are still very different styles.

I'd never deny that Greco can help a scholastic wrestler; a college wrestler who had a strong Greco background upset one of the best guys in his weight class earlier this year because the guy made the mistake of tying up with him. Surely it helps. But they're still quite different.
 
This is what I was thinking of. 2-4 Freshman from MSU upsets Kanen Storr, who was ranked 8th in the country basically on the strength of using his Greco skills:


So it can definitely help, no doubt, just like Yoshi Nakamura's judo helped him with his wrestling. Still very, very different.
 
He’s trying to get me back for pointing out how he’s trying to get his country cheap easy medals.

His obvious stupidity about the style training is due to him being deliberately ignorant of the fact that the “school system” wrestling is nothing like greco. He’s obviously not aware of the fact the most of the age group Greco in the US is done as a supplement to help out one’s freestyle/folk and not focused on at all by our top athletes.

More importantly though. Our Greco team is working hard to catch up to the rest of world. Whether or not they do.. they aren’t discussing switching to an easier style just to get medals because of the many difficulties faced in our country for them.
Yeah, they're basically only the same if you're looking at the fact that they involve singlets and the same mats. I mean, literally you have one that doesn't allow slams and another that doesn't allow attacks on or use of the legs. One that doesn't allow locked hands, touch falls versus two second pins, etc. etc. etc. etc. Like I said, I personally was lost when I tried Greco. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had that experience.
 
Yeah, they're basically only the same if you're looking at the fact that they involve singlets and the same mats. I mean, literally you have one that doesn't allow slams and another that doesn't allow attacks on or use of the legs. One that doesn't allow locked hands, touch falls versus two second pins, etc. etc. etc. etc. Like I said, I personally was lost when I tried Greco. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had that experience.
You feeling lost might be as much on your coach as you
 
You feeling lost might be as much on your coach as you
For what its worth, I think feeling lost was part of the point; my only exposure to it was during practices where they'd have us go Greco to change things up and force us to adjust to not being able to do things we might've relied on. It happened during a camp and my partner was a guy named Omar Ortiz. He'd had some prior Greco experience and it did not workout in my favor.
 
Yeah, they're basically only the same if you're looking at the fact that they involve singlets and the same mats. I mean, literally you have one that doesn't allow slams and another that doesn't allow attacks on or use of the legs. One that doesn't allow locked hands, touch falls versus two second pins, etc. etc. etc. etc. Like I said, I personally was lost when I tried Greco. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had that experience.

Yeah, they're really different. I'm no expert but did a few greco tourneys in my mid 20's after getting my ass handed to me in the freestyle tourneys earlier the same day. I "learned" greco from the freestyle guys I was training with (some of whom cross-trained greco). Even still, I got DQed in my first match for instinctively trying to put in a leg ride after getting the TD. And I even had about a year of freestyle experience prior to that. Going directly from folkstyle to greco would be a steep learning curve.
 
Jack, i completely disagree. Lets be honest, grappling already have a OK depth. Jiu Jitsu and Sambo athtles can be gather by the rules of UWW grappling. It's not a gimmick modality, it's different from, as exemple, beach wrestling. I mean, yeah, isn't olympic, but there is people already living from the sport and there is a good quantity of competitors. If, suppose, UWW grappling became olympic, the modality would not be the little brother of Freestyle Wrestling, it, imo, would be the same or even bigger, but without the same history for sure.

Over 1,5 millions of spectators for UWW Grappling world championships (junior). Not bad!
 
Over 1,5 millions of spectators for UWW Grappling world championships (junior). Not bad!
Again. Don’t have an issue with grappling. I have an issue with your pathetic desperation to give your country easy medals rather than doing the hard work to have a respectable domestic freestyle team.

Hell, I just realized something else to thank the Italian women’s team for. Without them you wouldn’t even have your Cuban gift medals
 
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