"Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching." (Rate this quote)

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AristotleAmadopolis said:
but didnt those values first get established in ancient times as a result of religion? today its disconnected from that and its secular society but the foundation is religion. so an atheists morality is fundamentally tied to religion whether they like it or not. today it just seems like its the State. wether religion or the state our morality ethics values integrity seems to be manufactured by a higher power or system without which we would be savages. did savages have a code of ethics?
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I couldn't answer if religion established those values as I have no clue what the common social norms were in ancient times.

Your statement is sound in logic. Absent religion the best ways to regulate behavior is enforcement of laws IMO which could lead to societal norms. The secular argument for enforcing the behavior of "doing the right thing" is something to consider. Today public schools have anti-bullying campaigns, push behaviors of stepping in and helping those being bullied, and do things like writing to seniors in nursing homes or deployed veterans. Rewarding children for "doing the right thing" definitely enforces the behavior.

The secular aspect is something to consider. Good point.
 
Just want to say something about religion. I don't think you need to be religious to have integrity. I think it's a genetic survival mechanism in your body that instills those ideas of integrity or being moral. Even if religion never existed, human beings would find a way to adapt, to survive to thrive in whatever situation.
 
MXZT said:
Just want to say something about religion. I don't think you need to be religious to have integrity. I think it's a genetic survival mechanism in your body that instills those ideas of integrity or being moral. Even if religion never existed, human beings would find a way to adapt, to survive to thrive in whatever situation.
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but how is that integrity?
also. how could civilization form without first people believing in religion to understand the world?
 
AristotleAmadopolis said:
but how is that integrity?
also. how could civilization form without first people believing in religion to understand the world?
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People don't need religion to understand what's going on the world. We are smart enough figure it out on our own imo. If religion never existed, it was still be as civilized as it is now or even more so. Religion is archaic way of thinking. Human beings are naturally open minded and very adaptable species. We would do fine without religion.
 
MXZT said:
People don't need religion to understand what's going on the world. We are smart enough figure it out on our own imo. If religion never existed, it was still be as civilized as it is now or even more so. Religion is archaic way of thinking. Human beings are naturally open minded and very adaptable species. We would do fine without religion.
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i think you're missing the point i am trying to make.

it's like saying you don't need math to understand geometry. one precedes the other.

it seems logical that when man became self-aware they would turn to a fantastical explanation of the world around them to better understand it. the stars in the sky were unknowns. the sun. the moon. all the aspects of nature were understood in a way that the un-evolved but self-aware mind at that the time could. there was was no science to offer explanation, only imagination and fear.

you might be right that people TODAY dont need religion to understand the world, but they did in the past. u say it is archaic - yes it is ancient. u say were are open minded - yes that is why we came up with imaginative explanations.

one must come before the other. you cannot have science without first having religion.
 
"Meddling when you technically don't have to is the essence of being a Hero" - All Might, Deku.
 
i like this and I do agree. I recall being in an Uber from my job after being made redundant and I got a call from a customer. I was going to tell him to stick it up his fucking arse the way I felt but i helped him with his issue. This is not related to integrity as such, felt good though, a weird sort of fuck you to the sacking I'd just received.
 
AristotleAmadopolis said:
i think you're missing the point i am trying to make.

it's like saying you don't need math to understand geometry. one precedes the other.

it seems logical that when man became self-aware they would turn to a fantastical explanation of the world around them to better understand it. the stars in the sky were unknowns. the sun. the moon. all the aspects of nature were understood in a way that the un-evolved but self-aware mind at that the time could. there was was no science to offer explanation, only imagination and fear.

you might be right that people TODAY dont need religion to understand the world, but they did in the past. u say it is archaic - yes it is ancient. u say were are open minded - yes that is why we came up with imaginative explanations.

one must come before the other. you cannot have science without first having religion.
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You have very valid argument. Yes religion was a stepping stone to something better imo, which is science. So yes Religion had its part, but it's overdue.
 
MXZT said:
This could very well be the best quote ever imo.

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You put an extra "average" at 7, bud. I think it's supposed to be good.

Which I say I would vote for.

I like the wiki definition better though.

Integrity is the practice of being honest and showing a consistent and uncompromising adherence to strong moral and ethical principles and values.
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Though still not perfect.
 
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turbotime said:
Define the right thing?

A dumb quote.
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You have to define it yourself. It"s different for everybody, because it's dependent on the moral principles and values it speaks of. The explanation of integrity is not meant to define it, because "the right thing" is a different subject, discussion and definition, separately.
 
It is terrible. There really is no right or wrong, just survival. We follow the rules of nature, but are too dishonest to admit it.
 
Iroh said:
You have to define it yourself. It"s different for everybody, because it's dependent on the moral principles and values it speaks of. The explanation of integrity is not meant to define it, because "the right thing" is a different subject, discussion and definition, separately.
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Well then yeah it's a stupid quote. A poor person steals a bit from the grocery to feed her children. Does that mean they lack integrity for not letting the family starve to death? You have a friend who can get you a hook up and you get to cut the line in a hot club or food spot, so you get to jump the line...do you lack integrity? Nah you are obviously just getting ahead of the game. Its a capitalist society.
 
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