Social Inside the White-Only Settlement in Arkansas: The Group Building a 'Fortress for the White Race'

[PainIsLIfe]

Marcy Frost, an employment attorney at Moss & Barnett, says it all depends on the word "private".

"If you are truly a private club, and not open to the public, the answer is generally, yes, you're allowed to discriminate," said Frost.

Why?

"On the theory we have a Constitutional right of freedom of association," she said.

The courts have struggled with the issue, trying to figure out which clubs are truly private and which are essentially public.

Good Question: Why Can Some Clubs Discriminate?

For a decade, Augusta National Golf Club has faced nagging questions - not about its challenging 10th hole - but about the lack of women as members.

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[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Great, it's open to absolutely anyone with no mention of race at all on their website, so maybe you'd like to post any names, photos, a yelp page, any evidence at all of all these white people who live, own land, run programs or businesses in Freedom, GA.

Again showing that you're talking our of your ass. Freedom never took off. It only existed in concept. Plans for development kept getting delayed and went no where. No one, black, white, or otherwise ran businesses there because it didn't take off. But it was made clear, which you clearly know but want to play dumb, that there was no discrimination.

"For example, they wanted to attract people of all races with events like the 'Big Black Campout". Do you hear yourself? OK, the Ozarks guys would like to welcome "BIPOCS" with the "whitey white white guy" archery

Again cherry picking one snack section while ignoring the parts that point out the blatant lies you were telling. And if they wanted to do an Irish/german/euro themed celebration open to everyone, that would be a proper comparison.

There is nothing wrong with a culturally themed event that is open to everyone. Stop being weird.

Look man, you very clearly believe that every race but white people have a right to free association

More baseless lying

why the all black community is super empowering, but 40 people on private property in the Ozarks should not be allowed to decide who their neighbors are

Because Freedom wasn't barring other races from joining and RTTL is violating the FHA.

Additionally, I never praised Freedom GA. Didn't call it empowering. Didn't say give any opinion on it. I stated facts about it and you proceeded to throw a fit.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

https://www.freeadvice.com/legal/can-private-clubs-and-religious-organizations-legally-discriminate/

Can private clubs discriminate based on race?​

No, private clubs are not allowed to discriminate based on race under federal law. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits racial discrimination in public accommodations, and private clubs that operate as public businesses may be subject to these regulations.


Private clubs occupy a unique legal status, often allowing them to operate with certain exemptions from anti-discrimination laws....

For instance, a club may limit membership to individuals of a particular religion or may have age restrictions, which can raise questions regarding legality. However, the legal framework surrounding private clubs can be complex and varies significantly by locality. Some jurisdictions have enacted laws that impose additional restrictions on the ability of private clubs to discriminate, aiming to promote fairness and inclusivity.

Case Study 1: Boy Scouts Membership Policy​

In a highly debated case, the Boy Scouts of America faced legal challenges regarding their membership policy. In New Jersey, the state’s Civil Rights Law prohibited the Boy Scouts from discriminating against a scoutmaster based on gender preferences.

However, in California, the Supreme Court ruled that the California Civil Rights Law did not prohibit the Boy Scouts from denying membership to individuals who are gay or do not believe in God. These cases highlight the variations in state laws and their impact on the discriminatory practices of private organizations like the Boy Scouts.

You're proving my point. What you are citing is an exception to providing a service through membership. This does not fall under the Fair Housing Act. But that is not the case with RTTL

You are in very rare cases able to deny membership SERVICES based on race/religion/etc but it is illegal to deny housing by using membership as a barrier. When part of your business includes property management of some form, you cannot use race as a criteria to deny someone.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Again showing that you're talking our of your ass. Freedom never took off. It only existed in concept. Plans for development kept getting delayed and went no where. No one, black, white, or otherwise ran businesses there because it didn't take off. But it was made clear, which you clearly know but want to play dumb, that there was no discrimination.

Again cherry picking one snack section while ignoring the parts that point out the blatant lies you were telling. And if they wanted to do an Irish/german/euro themed celebration open to everyone, that would be a proper comparison.

There is nothing wrong with a culturally themed event that is open to everyone. Stop being weird.


More baseless lying

Because Freedom wasn't barring other races from joining and RTTL is violating the FHA.

Feel free to help it take off. They currently have 4 lots available:

To get the process started for purchasing a plot of land and custom home build in Freedom, please take about 10 minutes to accurately complete the questions below. This will make sure that we can easily and accurately put your lot and custom home under contract for purchase. This is the preliminary offer for a home to be built on a 6-acres lot. There are only 4 lots available for our custom 4 bedroom, 3.5 bathroom, 2700 square foot 2-story home on 6-acres of land in Central Georgia currently zoned and subdivided for residential, recreational, and agricultural activities in this nature lover's community. Only one home can be built on each Lot at this time and homes are subject to the Freedom Founders Home Owner Association Rules, Regulations, and Declarations. Please email [email protected] with any questions you have or to receive a copy of these documents.

We look forward to reviewing your application and welcoming you to FREEDOM!

Custom Home & Land Offer for Freedom GA Pioneers

Please click the link to complete this form.

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I don't understand what there is to review; if I can get the loan approved, shouldn't I automatically qualify? Maybe they have some other non-publicly stated criteria that we aren't being told about.

 

[NoSmilez]

Yes you can but it must meet the legal requirements of a private club.

This is from the ACLU website.

"Courts deciding whether a club is “private” in this sense will consider the history and purpose of the club (including whether it was created to circumvent desegregation), the club advertises for members, it is directly controlled by its members and operated solely for their benefit, and the club is operated for profit."

When Is a Private Club Not a 'Private Club'? - ACLU of Pennsylvania

PHILADELPHIA – In the wake of allegations that the Valley Swim Club, a private membership club, sent away dozens of children from the Creative Steps Day Camp because they are African American, the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania explained, in response to media inquiries, that the...

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This settlement is not a private club because enrollment is open to public but under a discrimination parameter.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

You're proving my point. What you are citing is an exception to providing a service through membership. This does not fall under the Fair Housing Act. But that is not the case with RTTL

You are in very rare cases able to deny membership SERVICES based on race/religion/etc but it is illegal to deny housing by using membership as a barrier. When part of your business includes property management of some form, you cannot use race as a criteria to deny someone.

That was supposed to be a reply to @Sinister who said, "Private golf courses cannot ban minorities now (as a distinct condition of membership)"


The point being that sometimes private clubs can discriminate.

 

[NoSmilez]

Seems counter-productive to do interviews about being a white only settlement when you are trying to weasel your way out of it legally lol - they don't seem very smart

They could have got away with it if they would just shut up about it being white only non Jews or whatever European religion. Just say we have a very selective interview process.

They just made their whole situation hard on themselves. There was no legal battle until they started it themselves. It’s the same with those muslim communities. They have to be careful with the wording or else they get in trouble with the law.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I don't understand what there is to review; if I can get the loan approved, shouldn't I automatically qualify? Maybe they have some other non-publicly stated criteria that we aren't being told about.

Background checks, financial assessments, or something along those lines perhaps. If you applied and got rejected due to what you assume to be discrimination then you can and should take them to court where they will be forced to justify their decision.

And if it determined that you were discriminated against then the entire organization should not be allowed to operate. Simple as that

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

That was supposed to be a reply to @Sinister who said, "Private golf courses cannot ban minorities now (as a distinct condition of membership)"

Noted.

The point being that sometimes private clubs can discriminate

Correct, however, the part that matters is under what circumstances can they do this. Denying services is certainly possible in rare instances.

 

[syct23]

This settlement is not a private club because enrollment is open to public but under a discrimination parameter.

What’s the Discrimination?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Background checks, financial assessments, or something along those lines perhaps. If you applied and got rejected due to what you assume to be discrimination then you can and should take them to court where they will be forced to justify their decision.

And if it determined that you were discriminated against then the entire organization should not be allowed to operate. Simple as that

Again, they've offered land and a "custom" built house for sale to the public. They aren't financing so there is nothing to review - either I qualify for a loan or I don't.

 

[NoSmilez]

What’s the Discrimination?

This club explicitly states they are willing to take anyone who is non jew, non gay and white only. The applicant has to have some sort European descent and follow a European religion.

 

[TribalDrumz]

I heard @Scerpi and @nhbbear are building a shack together here lmao

 

[syct23]

This club explicitly states they are willing to take anyone who is non jew, non gay and white only. The applicant has to have some sort European descent and follow a European religion.

Then let them.

Without any government subsidies..

Historically this system works without any outside help, correct.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Again, they've offered land and a "custom" built house for sale to the public. They aren't financing so there is nothing to review - either I qualify for a loan or I don't.

Like I said, if you suspect that you are being discriminated against then you should challenge them in court. Now as far as the review, it could be a review of your customization requests. It could be seperate from the actual application. It is incredibly unclear. But if any discrimination were to take place, it would be illegal and should be punished.

It's simple, you cannot discriminate when dealing with housing.

 

[Scerpi]

I heard @Scerpi and @nhbbear are building a shack together here lmao

Fuck that... I love women of all races and cultures

And I have the photos in my hidden folder to prove it

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Then let them.

Without any government subsidies..

Historically this system works without any outside help, correct.

Doesn't matter if government funding is involved. It's still in violation of the FHA

 

[nhbbear]

I heard @Scerpi and @nhbbear are building a shack together here lmao

I thought mack yancy was banned. By all means, tell
Me why I would be interested at all in any such settlement. And who the fuck are you? Never heard of you or interacted with you in anyway I can recall

 

[nhbbear]

Fuck that... I love women of all races and cultures

And I have the photos in my hidden folder to prove it

I thought they banned mack yancy yesterday

 

[Scerpi]

This club explicitly states they are willing to take anyone who is non jew, non gay and white only. The applicant has to have some sort European descent and follow a European religion.

Honestly... this is the dumbest shit I've ever heard

Fucking retards. They'll end up looking like the hardcore inbreds from West Virginia in a couple generations

Put a wall around their little shithole and make them pass an IQ test with at least 85 to get back out