Infowars And Alex Jones Banned On Multiple Online Platforms

LOL These shit takes aged very poorly.

As they say: womp womp.







Gotta love the fact that these dimwits are in favor of the FCC being on the major ISP's pockets when their platforms would be the first to get buried should ISPs do whatever they want.

At least then they get to claim SJW conspiracy.
 
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You want to talk about law and yet are willing to ignore the user agreement. Congratulations, some where around here I have an internet law degree to give you, hold on I'll look for it.

If there’s state action through the symbiotic relationship, the Jones would be entitled to First Amendment protections. And since the internet is a traditional public forum, and government would have the burden of meeting strict scrutiny. Meaning that the government would have to show that the regulation is subject matter and viewpoint neutral and viewpoint neutral and narrowly tailored to serve a compelling governmental interest.

Because the regulation would not be viewpoint or subject matter neutral (I.e., allowing Antifa and ISIS to have pages but not Jones), the terms and conditions would not meet strict scrutiny.

Try again.

Unless you want to say that Jones’s speech would be unprotected speech even with state action. Then I’d ask you which category of unprotected speech does Jones’s speech fall under?
 
I know, right?!? I can't believe I lived long enough to see conservatives hand over such power to billion dollar corporations.

But yet, here we are.
I don't care about conservative liberal, yada yada......I am a BernieBro. Free speech is the mechanism by which a free society functions. This is Hitler type shit. Terrifying.
 
On one hand I do get the argument that private business can do as it pleases

On the other hand corporations and the government get closer to being the same thing every day and Im not sure I like that a private company has made itself such a major part of how we talk to each other to a point of almost being essential has the ability to turn you on and off at will without much recourse

Im not a fan of alex jones or con men but I think im even less of a fan of deplatforming and cyber banishment in a cyber world . To me this is like the phone company blocking peoples calls based on not liking what they have to say and thats insane

Last thought is that I think this just makes things worse by giving the CT types a martyr and something to say they were right about all along and there is a war on us !
Someone who took the time to think about this.

I loathe Alex Jones but this could be a slippery slope.
 
If there’s state action through the symbiotic relationship, the Jones would be entitled to First Amendment protections. And since the internet is a traditional public forum, and government would have the burden of meeting strict scrutiny. Meaning that the government would have to show that the regulation is subject matter and viewpoint neutral and viewpoint neutral and narrowly tailored to serve a compelling governmental interest.

Because the regulation would not be viewpoint or subject matter neutral (I.e., allowing Antifa and ISIS to have pages but not Jones), the terms and conditions would not meet strict scrutiny.

Try again.
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The amount of stupid coming from you is absolutely insane. The FCC isn't even in charge of regulating the internet any more you big dummy.
 
I don't care about conservative liberal, yada yada......I am a BernieBro. Free speech is the mechanism by which a free society functions. This is Hitler type shit. Terrifying.

YouTube is literally hitler.

That's a new one.

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The amount of stupid coming from you is absolutely insane. The FCC isn't even in charge of regulating the internet any more you big dummy.

Did I mention the FCC at all? Address my points about if there is state action through government encouragement or a symbiotic relationship between the government and the tech companies and the standard that applies in first amendment cases.

Are you trying to say that’s not the standard that the Supreme Court uses in First Amendment claims?
 
You are bringing up another topic entirely. The concern in this thread is about certain powerful and influential companies silencing people who do not agree with their leftist ideology. It is not entirely unreasonable to argue that there is a leftist slant that influences the decision making of YouTube, Apple and Facebook when you consider it is almost always right-leaning content being silenced and left-leaning content being promoted. You just have look at YouTube's featured videos (which get heavily down-voted) and it is painfully obvious the agenda they are trying to push.

No, it's not a different topic.

You're complaining about why a corporation is exercising the rights we've granted them. I'm saying no fucking shit. You let them do this.

Why do you want private corporations to control such influence in the first place?

Why would you expect a corporation not to use their influence to reinforce their own biases? It's completely ridiculous to me you expect them not to like you wouldn't yourself.

Your own biases are glaring.
 
Those companies aren't the government, no violation of the first amendment. I guess I need two internet law degrees to hand out.
Follow the money, man. I know you think you are doing the right thing but follow the money. There is no barrier now between big business and government. I hope that you would know that by now.

Lemme guess, you definitely were not a Bernie Bro, Am I Right?
 
Those companies aren't the government, no violation of the first amendment. I guess I need two internet law degrees to hand out.

You do realize that government action can be applied to private entities, right? Maybe you should do some research. Look it up.
 
No, it's not a different topic.

You're complaining about why a corporation is exercising the rights we've granted them. I'm saying no fucking shit. You let them do this.

Why do you want private corporations to control such influence in the first place?


Why would you expect a corporation not to use their influence to reinforce their own biases? It's completely ridiculous to me you expect them not to like you wouldn't yourself.


Your own biases are glaring.



You let them do this.

How am I responsible for what YouTube, Apple and Facebook does?

Why do you want private corporations to control such influence in the first place?

I don't want them to and never said I did. I have been consistent in saying that everyone should be held to the same standards. If racism gets people fired, then everyone should be fired for being racist.

Why would you expect a corporation not to use their influence to reinforce their own biases? It's completely ridiculous to me you expect them not to like you wouldn't yourself.

We'd be living in a Puritan Utopia if I ruled the world.
 
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Steve is about to do a show on this in 15 minutes. Steve never let's me down. Ill post a link when hes live. I predict this will be a pretty popular show.

But if steve ends up deplatformed for talking about this, I will be on the m----- Jones bandwagon
 
Did I mention the FCC at all? Address my points about if there is state action through government encouragement or a symbiotic relationship between the government and the tech companies and the standard that applies in first amendment cases.

Are you trying to say that’s not the standard that the Supreme Court uses in First Amendment claims?

How is it you think social media is going to be basically regulated by ISPs, and still be a public forum. You don't have a right to post whatever you want on any site. You are trying to tie social media sites to the government, when the government has given companies that receive government money the right to self regulate. Your are crazy, you don't have a first amendment right on any form of social media not Twitter not sherdog. Get your head out of your ass. There is no first amendment right on a private sector website. They have the right to block anyone they wish from their websites at anytime. It is a privilege to get to use their platforms. ISPs can block websites as they see fit.
 
Follow the money, man. I know you think you are doing the right thing but follow the money. There is no barrier now between big business and government. I hope that you would know that by now.

Lemme guess, you definitely were not a Bernie Bro, Am I Right?

So many private companies receive government money, and can still fire people at will. Taking government money doesn't equal a company being part of the government.
 
How am I responsible for what YouTube, Apple and Facebook does?



I don't want them to and never said I did. I have been consistent in saying that everyone should be held to the same standards.



We'd be living in a Puritan Utopia if I ruled the world.

You vote conservative yeah? You support the party that brought us Citizen's United and no cakes for gays. This is the result.

You don't control Apple or Youtube or Facebook, but your belly aching makes it sound like you wish you did.
 
How is it you think social media is going to be basically regulated by ISPs, and still be a public forum. You don't have a right to post whatever you want on any site. You are trying to tie social media sites to the government, when the government has given companies that receive government money the right to self regulate. Your are crazy, you don't have a first amendment right on any form of social media not Twitter not sherdog. Get your head out of your ass. There is no first amendment right on a private sector website. They have the right to block anyone they wish from their websites at anytime. It is a privilege to get to use their platforms. ISPs can block websites as they see fit.

This is what people asked for.

>Private business can deny service to anyone for any reason or no reason at all.
>No one has a right to service from any private entity.
>Slash regulations on corporations.

There's a saying that goes "be careful what you ask for".
 
Well, I'll give Alex Jones this much credit. In this scenario, it's like comparing a house cat to a Siberian tiger.

Whereas you cannot realistically expect a Harvard-educated Korean feminist woman to act out her frustrations against "white people", there's a much more legitimate danger that an Alex Jones, huckster as he may be, could indeed do exactly what he says, when pushed to the brink.

It feels silly to even point out, but we did not come up with the rule of law for women. They were only ever an after-thought, for over three thousand years, since the days of "The Code of Hammurabi". The focus has always been on men, and their potential capacity to act against the state and the society. "Hate speech" (or should we rather say, male speech) is only ever something that applies towards males, because males are the only ones deemed capable of acting out their hatred, and turning their words to action, in a manner that threatens the society. They are ultimately the ones capable of operating outside of the common parameters of society, relying on independence of action and self-validation to see them through, even when cast out from society. A woman, in almost every scenario, the extremely rare exception not included, can do no such a thing. Especially when already "well-adjusted" to the society, as a Harvard-educated person, of Asian diligence, is expected to be.

The society will always treat women differently, realistically speaking, even in the era of "gender equality". Because as we've seen under theocracies, monarchies, any form of government ever, the society and state always acts in its own interests, pragmatically, regardless of whether the state is pretending to be a Christian safe haven, or a progressive safe space, or whatever.

In realistic terms, men are always going to be seen as the real danger, socially-speaking. And more specifically, men like Alex Jones.

Nonsense. If an Asian man had said the same things Sarah Jeong said, nothing would've happened to him either.
 
How is it you think social media is going to be basically regulated by ISPs, and still be a public forum. You don't have a right to post whatever you want on any site. You are trying to tie social media sites to the government, when the government has given companies that receive government money the right to self regulate. Your are crazy, you don't have a first amendment right on any form of social media not Twitter not sherdog. Get your head out of your ass. There is no first amendment right on a private sector website. They have the right to block anyone they wish from their websites at anytime. It is a privilege to get to use their platforms. ISPs can block websites as they see fit.

Okay. So it’s clear that you don’t understand that there can be state action if there is a symbiotic relationship between the government and FB, YT or Google. There is a straight faced argument that there is significant entanglement between the government and FB, YT and Google. It depends on how the Supreme Court feels that day if it is ever argued.

If there is state action through the symbiotic relationship, then the First Amendment applies and there is First Amendment protection on the websites that have pervasive entanglement with the government.

I’d look up “exceptions to state action” and maybe listen to an Erwin Chemerinsky lecture that deals with state action. I’m sure you can find one on YouTube.
 
This is what people asked for.

>Private business can deny service to anyone for any reason or no reason at all.
>No one has a right to service from any private entity.
>Slash regulations on corporations.

There's a saying that goes "be careful what you ask for".

That's why a lot of us were against net neutrality. Now that the right got rid of it their supporters want to cry about it. Trump did that, congratulations Trump supporters, this is what your man did you bunch idiots.
 
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