Opinion Indians keep flooding Canada

[mooseman17]

Pretty much all retail work and fast food places as well. Most likely due to the TFW subsidies no doubt.

Walmart and Tim Hortons appear to both be using it quite a bit.

You do know how big ontario is right lol

That photo also looks to be from the 2018 Brampton East election, so basically like asking why it is mostly Chinese people in Chinatown?

 

[MidgardSerpent]

They are expected to be at 10% only if we are going from numbers from 2021 according to statscan. If you look at the massive increases since then and go with the latest numbers which are significantly higher it paints a different picture. 2040 is if we continue increasing at the same rate, if we continue with similar amounts of then 2060 is the timeframe.

Like I said you can do the math yourself, if you can with the public data prove that this is not going to happen eventually I will send you $1000.

Well, you can't disprove something that hasn't happened yet. The onus is on the one making a pretty contentious claim. And since your claim goes well above the mainstream demographic projections, I'm highly skeptical about it.

So while there has been a considerable uptick in Indian immigration in the past few years it would still require unprecedented and unrealistic increase of immigration to reach majority by 2040 or even 2060. I let chatgpt crunch some numbers and for your 2040 projection, immigration would have to increase by a factor of 5 to 6 of current numbers, which by most accounts, seems extremely unlikely. But you didn't answer my question whether you were also took the multitude of factors that would slow down the Indian populace in Canada into the equation. Oh, and I also forgot about the growth of the overall population.

The average indian immigrant is no longer highly educated, we have approximately 3 million temporary foreign workers in Canada, the majority of which are low skill, low wage (subsidized by the government) workers. This is 18% of the work force.

That 3 million refers to the total of non-permanent residents, TFW's are only a subset of that total group. I can't find hard numbers, but it seems to be around 1 to 1.5 million.


Also, you are conflating Indian immigrants with TFW's, but they are not interchangeable, Indians only account for around 20% of that group, an equally large groups are Mexicans, the rest are splintered among other nationalities. So if 80% of ATW are not even Indian, it obviously can't be considered representative.


There's also a marked difference in skill/education level between TFW's and immigrants because Canadian immigration policies is stricter for permanent residents. As of now 60% of Indian immigrants have a bachelor's degree or higher, which is significantly higher than even the Canadian residents themselves, that sit at 30%.

As far as Indians standing up for progressive values and workers rights.... if that were true they would have done it in their own country. India is one of the biggest violators of womens and workers rights on the planet.

I'm not going to hold individual workers responsible for systematic problems from their native country.

And like I said earlier, the university educated STEM worker is hardly going to be a stand in for the average person from their third world country in the first place. Higher education is strongly correlated to more positive views about the values you mentioned.

 

[Andy Capp]

Well, you can't disprove something that hasn't happened yet. The onus is on the one making a petty contentious claim. And since your claim well above the mainstream demographic projections, I'm highly skeptical about it.

So while there has been a considerable uptick in Indian immigration in the past few years it would still require unprecedented and unrealistic increase of immigration to reach majority by 2040 or even 2060. I let chatgpt crunch some numbers and for your 2040 projection, immigration would have to increase by a factor of 5 to 6 of current numbers, which seems extremely unlikely. But you didn't answer my question whether you were keeping into account the multitude of factors that would slow down the Indian populace in Canada. Oh, and I also forgot about the growth of the overall population.





That 3 million refers to the total of non-permanent residents, TFW's are only a subset of that total group. I can't find hard numbers, but it seems to be around 1 to 1.5 million.


Also, you are conflating Indian immigrants with TFW's, but they are not interchangeable, Indians only account for around 20% of that group, an equally large groups are Mexicans, the rest are splintered among other nationalities. So if 80% of ATW are not even Indian, it obviously can't be considered representative.


There's also a marked difference in skill/education level between TFW's and immigrants because Canadian immigration policies is stricter for permanent residents. As of now 60% of Indian immigrants have a bachelor's degree or higher, which is significantly higher than even the Canadian residents themselves, that sit at 30%.






I'm not going to hold individual workers responsible for systematic problems from their native country.

And like I said earlier, the university educated STEM worker is hardly going to be a stand in for the average person from their third world country in the first place. Higher education is strongly correlated to more positive views about the values you mentioned.

Good post but fixed that for you.

 

[The_Renaissance]

I have been to India 3x. My company provided me with the top-notch hotels. Best service I have ever had. I still got food poisoning, as did several other coworkers. I told my boss after I felt like dying, I was done, send someone else, I did my time. Once you leave everything is filthy and stinks. That is not an exaggeration. We witnessed people shitting in the middle of the roads that had a small culvert in between. Not just a random person. It was a thing to do. Garbage everywhere but near the Hotels. At night we saw a fucking leopard grab a dog from a stoop. I thought it was another dog, our driver said "Leopard". Hell no lol. The bottom line is it is not a place known for cleanliness. So why would anyone think that attitude would change if they moved somewhere else. Toronto 15 years ago was beautiful. Now its pretty dirty.

I went to Goa and Kerala last year for 3 weeks and didn't get sick once. I ate meat and seafood every single day. Didn't see any filth either - I get the impression that is mainly the big cities and especially the north/middle of the country. Kerala was absolutely spotless.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

In before I get called a racist white trash hillbilly by you idiots, I'm indian ethnicity born in canada.

Thanks to Trudeau allower a huge surge immigrants after covid, a good chunk of them being Indians. Canada has pretty much become a little india and let me tell you...indian immigrants are the worst

They abused the PR system by going to the fake scam colleges that print diplomas and got Permanent residency, came in on fake documents, overstay their visas and refuse to leave the country when it expires and don't assimilate, they are claiming fake asylum status when they aren't refugees and that wastes more canadian taxpayer dollars, and they aren't doctors or scientists, there low skill. Just working at Tim Hortons ( walk into any tim hortons in canada and you will see)

Never SEEN any indian doctors or nurses, the foreign doctors and nurses in canada are Arabic, Chinese, African, etc. They are the worst ones at assimilating, don't care about learning English.

They came in huge numbers and most of the biggest cities in canada looks like Mumbai. Toronto, Niagara falls, Brampton, Surrey etc.

Deportation process is a joke in this country, there's no ICE in canada hunting down Visa overstayers, they just send a letter in the mail telling them to leave the country and that's it. The customs and border agency called CBSA is really understaffed and the recruiting process takes 2-3 years to join (I was an applicant for them).


Thank you to the liberal voters. Elbows up

They have invaded my city and have been buying up every business they can. they then fire the former local workers and then hire all Indians at a subsidized rate by the government. which is crazy considering how much this is going on and the massive cost of this. Business's also get big bonus's for hiring them and more for keeping them the 2 years where after they can get all the Canadian benefits.
Literally crazy how Trudeau and the liberals have sold out our country. Some of the head people in charge of this made huge donations to the Trudeau foundation and liberal party....and who says money talks.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Also the US has a cap on immigration by country. Unlike canada where we dont. So most of our immigration is from one place instead of having people all over the world but the biggest problem is the volume of immigrants

Trudeau government didnt understand simple math...whole party of complete idiots that were warned about what was going to happen....you know like a housing crisis.

 

[Hog-train]

I went to Goa and Kerala last year for 3 weeks and didn't get sick once. I ate meat and seafood every single day. Didn't see any filth either - I get the impression that is mainly the big cities and especially the north/middle of the country. Kerala was absolutely spotless.

Goa and Kerala are unique. Goa was under Portugese rule for years and has a significant Catholic population. Keralas similarly had high levels of interaction with different cultures from outside India for a long time - from the Persians, Arabs, Chinese, Greeks, Romans, Europeans etc.

The Northern Indian cities like Delhi are dirty shitholes with aggressive scammers, beggar children constantly bothering you, catcalling and groping for women.

 

[gatchaman]

After the Freedom Convoy, I want all the Sikh truck drivers that India can spare.

 

[freakroor]

those indians must use a lot of water if they're flooding canada

 

[TUFNewb]

After the Freedom Convoy, I want all the Sikh truck drivers that India can spare.

Yeah that's exactly what we need lmfao. Go tell that one to the family members of the Humboldt Broncos.

Untrained Sikhs blowing stop signs in their 18 wheeler to own the libs.

 

[Bojka]

Yeah that's exactly what we need lmfao. Go tell that one to the family members of the Humboldt Broncos.

Untrained Sikhs blowing stop signs in their 18 wheeler to own the libs.

I've heard that most truck drivers are Indian at this point and wages are really suppressed because of it.

 

[Lycandroid]

I've heard that most workers in every field are Indian at this point and wages are really suppressed because of it.

fixed for reality

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I went to Goa and Kerala last year for 3 weeks and didn't get sick once. I ate meat and seafood every single day. Didn't see any filth either - I get the impression that is mainly the big cities and especially the north/middle of the country. Kerala was absolutely spotless.

Yeah, we're used to thinking all of India is miserably poor and filthy but there are some pretty big differences between the states.

In general, it seems like it's the north that's responsible for their shitty (pun intended) reputation.

 

[gatchaman]

Yeah that's exactly what we need lmfao. Go tell that one to the family members of the Humboldt Broncos.

Untrained Sikhs blowing stop signs in their 18 wheeler to own the libs.

When the chips were down, Sikh truck drivers were my allies. I think Canada needs more people like them.

 

[gatchaman]

fixed for reality

Excuse my interjection, but price fixing doesn't work for labor any better than it does for goods. We will have the best laborers when we have free trade in laborers.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Video of the Liberals vetting the next batch of indians imports

 

[Pierce 34]

There's also a marked difference in skill/education level between TFW's and immigrants because Canadian immigration policies is stricter for permanent residents. As of now 60% of Indian immigrants have a bachelor's degree or higher, which is significantly higher than even the Canadian residents themselves, that sit at 30%.

A lot of Indians got their PR when they earned a useless diploma through scam community colleges. I think they call it diploma mills. They made it tighter now but this is the reason why we are in this shit. I don't oppose immigrants having an education. The best doctor I ever had was Egyptian immigrant. But why were we giving green cards to people who earned a BS diploma?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/provinces-cracking-down-on-private-institutions-1.7091194

Indians coming to Canada are from Punjab, one of the worst educated places in India. They are literally farmers/laborers, the educated Indians (doctors and tech guys) are from other parts of India and they mostly go to US.

So Canada is basically getting hillbillies

20,000 Indian students didn't show up to class after arriving in Canada. What happened to them?​

20,000 Indian students didn't show up to class after arriving in Canada. What happened to them?

Long celebrated as a global hub for international students Canada’s reputation is under scrutiny

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[Pierce 34]

Most Canadians still think Canada is accepting too many immigrants, and many don't trust newcomers: poll

The Leger poll found that 57% of immigrants also agree that there are too many immigrants, while 60% of non-immigrants feel that way.

nationalpost.com

The poll found that 57 per cent of immigrants also agree that there are too many immigrants, while 60 per cent of non-immigrants feel that way

Most Canadians believe the country is admitting too many immigrants and many do not trust the newcomers, new polling shows.

The national Leger poll conducted for the Association for Canadian Studies and the Metropolis Institute found that 62 per cent of people think that the country is currently admitting too many immigrants. That’s an increase of four percentage points since pollsters last asked the question in March 2025, and more than double the number of people who felt that way six years ago. In the most recent poll, only 20 per cent disagreed and 19 per cent said they don’t know.

The poll also asked Canadians if they think immigrants can be trusted. Only 42 per cent of Canadians said immigrants can be trusted and that number drops to 36 per cent when it comes to refugees. The poll found that 20 per cent of respondents think immigrants cannot be trusted and 23 per cent said refugees cannot be trusted.

Refugees are more likely to be trusted by non-immigrants (38 per cent) than immigrants (33 per cent). White people are also more likely to trust refugees (37 per cent) than non-white people (33 per cent). They are most likely to not be trusted by non-white people (28 per cent) compared to 22 per cent of white people, 22 per cent of immigrants and 23 per cent of non-immigrants. Immigrants, however, are more likely to be trusted by other immigrants and non-white people (both at 53 per cent) than by non-immigrants and white people (40 per cent for each).

 

[MidgardSerpent]

A lot of Indians got their PR when they earned a useless diploma through scam community colleges. I think they call it diploma mills. They made it tighter now but this is the reason why we are in this shit. I don't oppose immigrants having an education. The best doctor I ever had was Egyptian immigrant. But why were we giving green cards to people who earned a BS diploma?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/provinces-cracking-down-on-private-institutions-1.7091194

The college mills originated in private for profit schools, private schools account for 10-15% of total second degree education, from what I could find about 20% of those could be one of those fraudulent college mills. And consequently, about 10% of the total Indian students go to private schools, so it's a relatively small slice of the overall pie.

It's true though that a lot of Indians, and particularly those from the Punjab region were massively over-represented in these college mills, but the vast majority of Indian students attend public schools, and those were not part of the college mills scandals. It's also important to note that these college mills were created by Canadian institutions, a lot of Indian students were not perpetrators of the fraud, but in fact victims of a corrupt system from Canadian soil. I'm sure it's not fun when you've fork over 20k $ years worth of savings by your family to attend college in a foreign place and you end up with a whole bunch of nothing.

Indians coming to Canada are from Punjab, one of the worst educated places in India. They are literally farmers/laborers, the educated Indians (doctors and tech guys) are from other parts of India and they mostly go to US.

So Canada is basically getting hillbillies

20,000 Indian students didn't show up to class after arriving in Canada. What happened to them?​

20,000 Indian students didn't show up to class after arriving in Canada. What happened to them?

Long celebrated as a global hub for international students Canada’s reputation is under scrutiny

ca.news.yahoo.com

Like I already mentioned earlier, Punjabi are over represented among Indian students, but they are not the majority of the overall Indian body of foreigners. Indian immigrants and Indian students are two different groups, with a 75/25 division. The vast majority of the 75% immigrants already got their degrees outside of Canada, so they aren't really part of the college mill conversation.

Hillbillies don't go to college or show high social economic mobility, Indians do, including the subset of Punjabi's. The second generation also generally do even better than their parents. There's also a granularity to Punjabi's, not all of them are from rural area's, a part of them comes from urban places that typically show higher base of education. And like I told that other poster, you can't just superimpose this profile of the stereotypical rural Indian on the average Indian immigrant, they are not interchangeable.



There's probably some big overlap with the college mills and the 20.000 no shows, but it's in relative terms it's about 5% of the overall group of Indian students here. Also doesn't seem to be worse than the no show rate of overall immigrants, both in Canada or other first world countries. I checked and lot of them are around 5-10 % to 15% in the more extreme cases. Students from some African countries (Congo, Ghana, Nigeria) have higher than 30% no show rates in Canada, but do they come here in vast lower absolute numbers, so I guess it's perceived as less of a problem.

 

[Pierce 34]

The college mills originated in private for profit schools, private schools account for 10-15% of total second degree education, from what I could find about 20% of those could be one of those fraudulent college mills. And consequently, about 10% of the total Indian students go to private schools, so it's a relatively small slice of the overall pie.

It's true though that a lot of Indians, and particularly those from the Punjab region were massively over-represented in these college mills, but the vast majority of Indian students attend public schools, and those were not part of the college mills scandals. It's also important to note that these college mills were created by Canadian institutions, a lot of Indian students were not perpetrators of the fraud, but in fact victims of a corrupt system from Canadian soil. I'm sure it's not fun when you've fork over 20k $ years worth of savings by your family to attend college in a foreign place and you end up with a whole bunch of nothing.






Like I already mentioned earlier, Punjabi are over represented among Indian students, but they are not the majority of the overall Indian body of foreigners. Indian immigrants and Indian students are two different groups, with a 75/25 division. The vast majority of the 75% immigrants already got their degrees outside of Canada, so they aren't really part of the college mill conversation.

Hillbillies don't go to college or show high social economic mobility, Indians do, including the subset of Punjabi's. The second generation also generally do even better than their parents. There's also a granularity to Punjabi's, not all of them are from rural area's, a part of them comes from urban places that typically show higher base of education. And like I told that other poster, you can't just superimpose this profile of the stereotypical rural Indian on the average Indian immigrant, they are not interchangeable.



There's probably some big overlap with the college mills and the 20.000 no shows, but it's in relative terms it's about 5% of the overall group of Indian students here. Also doesn't seem to be worse than the no show rate of overall immigrants, both in Canada or other first world countries. I checked and lot of them are around 5-10 % to 15% in the more extreme cases. Students from some African countries (Congo, Ghana, Nigeria) have higher than 30% no show rates in Canada, but do they come here in vast lower absolute numbers, so I guess it's perceived as less of a problem.

Provide a source that shows the number of Indian students going to legit schools vs the ones going to fraudulent schools. Im sure we have Indian students in legit universities no denying that. I know Indians who got a PR from studying at a strip mall school (which is a joke)

Punjab still has one of the worst literacy rates in the country so we are not getting the smartest Indians. My point still stands. Even though there's a difference between immigrants who get PR and ones who don't, based on qualifications

Indians who go the US for example are better educated than Punjabis. They are from the central or south parts of India and are doctors and tech guys. Punjab isn't exactly the state for universities. Think like a poor rural American state where people are dumb like Wyoming and south India is like California or New York.

But I honestly don't care about this point