Crime Incels: how online extremism is changing

[cincymma79]

Yeah but that’s part of the problem. In their worldview most of these women are not good enough. Fed by their conservative view of women, a lot of women are already sluts, whores, etc. So they also set the bar extremely high.

It’s not new. Women represent nothing but risk for men. I have to be good looking charming funny in shape financially secure and so on in order to get a woman who Carrie’s the majority of the debt and will who will be the one to instigate the divorce so she can leave with half of whatever I have. She had to be attractive and agreeable. Now women don’t think they have to be agreeable either. So all they are now is attractive, aka a piece of ass. That’s fine for hooking up. I’m down for that. But to have a meaningful relationship there’s nothing there for me. If I was dating today I’d resign myself to living alone and getting laid. There’s literally nothing else there for you. Religious women might still be ok. Can’t say. Also, liberal women are the least happy of any group. So if you want one of these forward thinking types just know they’re miserable. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

 

[Scheme]

I wonder if it would work with the specific group though. Incels mostly want traditional women. Modern women are whores, sluts, feminists, etc. So an actual prostitute is even worse.

Maybe not all of them, but I think it'll help a lot of incels if they knew that having sex with a woman isn't some magic cure for all their problems in life.

I also think incels mostly want traditional women because they would seem easier to obtain than a 'whore' who is only interested in looks, money, game, etc. which the incels think they lack. So they want a traditional female almost out of necessity because they want things that the incels might actually be able to provide (emotional bond, attention, caring, etc.).

 

[regmma123]

I think every guy can get a girl. Personally I got issues with getting a gf. But its purely down to my preferences. I want good looking girl, top shelf, end of story. Nothing average. But then how can I expect to get top shelf when I am myself average. This is where escorts come into play which I do use. So I totally dont understand that movement at all. You want a gf? Have a realistic expectations of what can you get.

that escalated quickly

 

[Islam Imamate]

“Incels” are an online community of mostly young men, some of whom promote violent hatred of women. In the online world, violent extremism is evolving in ever more fluid ways — with fatal consequences in the real world.
Cliffs:
- The influence of internet on extremism
- government struggle with this evolution
- can tech help?
- jake davidson, murderer in the UK linked to online incel community’s
- little bit about what incels do online and where (misogyny on reddit, 4chan, etc.)
- isolation + endless stream of content will lead to increased membership and potential for violence because of that
- research: 59% increase in code words linked to mass murders
- stop the lone wolf narrative
- little bit about qanon
- internet causes groups to be smaller and thus easier to be extremist
- overlap between incel ideology and the alt right
- next ten years acceleration in intertwined ideologies
- easier to share instant and endlessly misinformation
- andrew tate normalizing misogyny
- solution: adds linked to google searches; so basically if you’re looking up extremist shit you get adds for mental health services

Well interesting video. I don’t know about the solution tbh. If I’m looking for extreme misogynistic videos on google or looking for the next popular incel hang out, am I gonna be deterred by some lame advertising about mental health? don’t think so.

The fusion of all the ideologies is interesting though. You can see it already with Andrew Tate becoming muslim. We have a far right group here too who are suddenly embracing islam and denouncing christendom because they are “pussy’s”.

I saw this video by The Economist, I knew just from the thumbnail and the title that it would ultra-cringe.

Islam values women as wives/daughters/mothers, but also subjugates them. In parts of the Muslim, they are the practical equivalent to personal property.

That's just not true, from the beginning women in Islam have had property rights and rights of inheritance which in parts of Christendom only came in the late 19th century. I'm not going to pretend like there aren't many Muslim countries that are incredibly oppressive towards women(just look a the Iran protests for starters) but when you look Islamic society in the classical period things are a lot more complicated than the Orientalist myths would have you believe.

Maybe not all of them, but I think it'll help a lot of incels if they knew that having sex with a woman isn't some magic cure for all their problems in life.

I also think incels mostly want traditional women because they would seem easier to obtain than a 'whore' who is only interested in looks, money, game, etc. which the incels think they lack. So they want a traditional female almost out of necessity because they want things that the incels might actually be able to provide (emotional bond, attention, caring, etc.).

With all due respect, saying that hiring a prostitute is the solution to these incels is like telling someone who is lonely and looking for friends to just hire friends. What they crave is genuine intimacy that can't be given by a market transaction. It does kind of show just how commodified everything in our society is that our first impulse to dealing with social problems is to just throw money at it.

Islam seems to be the way to go if you hate women. I'm seeing that too lately, Islam is looked upon as a masculine religion whereas Christianity has gone soft by accepting gays and stuff. I bet he loves the countries that restrict women's rights. It's really sad that this is the man that is influencing millions of young boys.

You do realize that in many Western countries most converts to Islam are women right? In fact in some countries its over 2:1. But I guess I should expect this kind of take from one of the few posters who runs interference for the Uyghur ethnic cleansing, you must think of us in that way to jsutify that atrocity.

 

[Zankou]

It’s only going to increase. One of the most startling and severe social changes we are seeing is radical gender disproportion in college — it’s almost 2 to 1 at this point.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...is-not-just-in-enrollment-but-completion/amp/

A consequence of declining male competitiveness is that economic disparity exacerbates sexual disparity. High status women do not date down. Leading to a larger pool of women competing for a smaller pool of high status men … few getting one permanently attached … and low status men having increased disadvantage.

Result is an increased tendency to have what amount to bachelor herds of unattached men, with groups of women throwing themselves at a smaller number of men who have no interest in long term relations with them.

The negative consequences of this shift are increased male incels at younger ages and increased female spinsters at older ages. Every society has had to deal with similar symptoms (hence polygamy in Islam), but it is unfortunate to see an increased gender divide fueling it.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Islam seems to be the way to go if you hate women. I'm seeing that too lately, Islam is looked upon as a masculine religion whereas Christianity has gone soft by accepting gays and stuff. I bet he loves the countries that restrict women's rights. It's really sad that this is the man that is influencing millions of young boys.

I really don't know what you do with these people. They have a huge victim mentality and instead of self-improvement they choose to blame all women for not sleeping with them. They feel entitled to sex and it just doesn't work that way. I think for one, these people need to stop living terminally online lives. They need to go out there into the real world and start talking to people. I think traveling really helped me break out of my shell. It forces you into uncomfortable situations at times, especially if you go alone as I did while I was very young. It gives you some confidence that you can do things on your own. I don't know the solution, but I do know that sitting in front of a computer all day, every day and complaining about women is not one of them.

 

[Ornife]

This is completely untrue and acceptable.

Not all rednecks are fat garbage.

There's some that are skinny and do meth.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

It’s only going to increase. One of the most startling and severe social changes we are seeing is radical gender disproportion in college — it’s almost 2 to 1 at this point.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...is-not-just-in-enrollment-but-completion/amp/

A consequence of declining male competitiveness is that economic disparity exacerbates sexual disparity. High status women do not date down. Leading to a larger pool of women competing for a smaller pool of high status men … few getting one permanently attached … and low status men having increased disadvantage.

Result is an increased tendency to have what amount to bachelor herds of unattached men, with groups of women throwing themselves at a smaller number of men who have no interest in long term relations with them.

The negative consequences of this shift are increased male incels at younger ages and increased female spinsters at older ages. Every society has had to deal with similar symptoms (hence polygamy in Islam), but it is unfortunate to see an increased gender divide fueling it.

I'm struggling to see 2:1 in the data presented, but point taken.

I think this corporate and government social engineering for sure. I say with great confidence that an overshoot of parity will definitely not be met with any impetus of a course correction to support men to reach parity.

I think there will be a point where a lot of relatively high status women will have to make the decision about being ok with "marrying down" and being the bread-winner, versus single cat life on Instagram and anti-depressant diet lol. I wonder what things were like for the Chinese dating scene of the single child rule - i had heard people favored having boys so much instead of girls they threw baby girls in the river.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

It’s only going to increase. One of the most startling and severe social changes we are seeing is radical gender disproportion in college — it’s almost 2 to 1 at this point.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...is-not-just-in-enrollment-but-completion/amp/

A consequence of declining male competitiveness is that economic disparity exacerbates sexual disparity. High status women do not date down. Leading to a larger pool of women competing for a smaller pool of high status men … few getting one permanently attached … and low status men having increased disadvantage.

Result is an increased tendency to have what amount to bachelor herds of unattached men, with groups of women throwing themselves at a smaller number of men who have no interest in long term relations with them.

The negative consequences of this shift are increased male incels at younger ages and increased female spinsters at older ages. Every society has had to deal with similar symptoms (hence polygamy in Islam), but it is unfortunate to see an increased gender divide fueling it.

most self described incels lean heavily into communism anyway.

 

[Spounman]

I’ve noticed a lot of lefties with an unhealthy obsession with “incels”. Not sure why.

Aunt Queefa & incels look one in the same?

Little Rascals were ahead of the curve

 

[Zazen]

I saw this video by The Economist, I knew just from the thumbnail and the title that it would ultra-cringe.

That's just not true, from the beginning women in Islam have had property rights and rights of inheritance which in parts of Christendom only came in the late 19th century. I'm not going to pretend like there aren't many Muslim countries that are incredibly oppressive towards women(just look a the Iran protests for starters) but when you look Islamic society in the classical period things are a lot more complicated than the Orientalist myths would have you believe.

With all due respect, saying that hiring a prostitute is the solution to these incels is like telling someone who is lonely and looking for friends to just hire friends. What they crave is genuine intimacy that can't be given by a market transaction. It does kind of show just how commodified everything in our society is that our first impulse to dealing with social problems is to just throw money at it.

You do realize that in many Western countries most converts to Islam are women right? In fact in some countries its over 2:1. But I guess I should expect this kind of take from one of the few posters who runs interference for the Uyghur ethnic cleansing, you must think of us in that way to jsutify that atrocity.

Islam has the reputation it does for a reason. It also has people currently protesting in Iran. Nobody wants to cover their entire bodies in 100 degree heat daily meanwhile the guys can dress however the hell they want. That's not where it ends either, women are treated like second class citizens in many of these countries. You're an apologist and a crappy one at that because you also make false accusations. I have criticized China a lot in the last year, they are going in an awful direction but I guess you need to bring that up because defending Islam is a losing position. Women are respected in their culture for one reason, breeding. They're respected in the same way a brood mare was respected for creating more mounts for soldiers in the past. Islam is a perfect religion to welcome incels because what better religion to join than one that vehemently hates women and uses its book to justify taking the rights away from women and LGBT people.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Islam has the reputation it does for a reason. It also has people currently protesting in Iran. Nobody wants to cover their entire bodies in 100 degree heat daily meanwhile the guys can dress however the hell they want. That's not where it ends either, women are treated like second class citizens in many of these countries. You're an apologist and a crappy one at that because you also make false accusations. I have criticized China a lot in the last year, they are going in an awful direction but I guess you need to bring that up because defending Islam is a losing position. Women are respected in their culture for one reason, breeding. They're respected in the same way a brood mare was respected for creating more mounts for soldiers in the past.

Yikes, no wonder you support the Uyghur ethnic cleansing if that's what you think of us.

 

[Zazen]

Yikes, no wonder you support the Uyghur ethnic cleansing if that's what you think of us.

There you go again, you make crap up because you can't defend your idiotic religion. You lose man. I changed my position a long time ago.

 

[Islam Imamate]

It’s only going to increase. One of the most startling and severe social changes we are seeing is radical gender disproportion in college — it’s almost 2 to 1 at this point.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...is-not-just-in-enrollment-but-completion/amp/

A consequence of declining male competitiveness is that economic disparity exacerbates sexual disparity. High status women do not date down. Leading to a larger pool of women competing for a smaller pool of high status men … few getting one permanently attached … and low status men having increased disadvantage.

Result is an increased tendency to have what amount to bachelor herds of unattached men, with groups of women throwing themselves at a smaller number of men who have no interest in long term relations with them.

The negative consequences of this shift are increased male incels at younger ages and increased female spinsters at older ages. Every society has had to deal with similar symptoms (hence polygamy in Islam), but it is unfortunate to see an increased gender divide fueling it.

What's funny to me is that when people hear of the complaints of incels, the standard advise is to lower ones' standards. But when women complain about the lack of "economically attractive men", that's seen as a perfectly valid complaint and the idea that they should lower their standards isn't cosndiered as readily. In fairness one big difference is that women seem more content to be alone so they are happier to hold out for Mr.Right even if he never comes along while men seem to go insane if they're alone long enough and would rather date someone than be forever alone.

There you go again, you make crap up because you can't defend your idiotic religion. You lose man. I changed my position a long time ago.

Everyone knows where you stand, if you changed your position it was because the evidence was overwhelmingly against your apologist narrative and you finally had to admit that. Before that you were happy to defend children being taken from their parents and people being thrown into "reeducation camps"

I don't really need to defend my religion from uneducated critiques by communist sympathizers, communists by their very nature despise the religious for refusing to bow to their "revolution" and you seem to be no exception.

 

[Zazen]

It’s only going to increase. One of the most startling and severe social changes we are seeing is radical gender disproportion in college — it’s almost 2 to 1 at this point.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...is-not-just-in-enrollment-but-completion/amp/

A consequence of declining male competitiveness is that economic disparity exacerbates sexual disparity. High status women do not date down. Leading to a larger pool of women competing for a smaller pool of high status men … few getting one permanently attached … and low status men having increased disadvantage.

Result is an increased tendency to have what amount to bachelor herds of unattached men, with groups of women throwing themselves at a smaller number of men who have no interest in long term relations with them.

The negative consequences of this shift are increased male incels at younger ages and increased female spinsters at older ages. Every society has had to deal with similar symptoms (hence polygamy in Islam), but it is unfortunate to see an increased gender divide fueling it.

Yeah but you can't think this way, this attitude will not help these people get laid or find a healthy relationship. Throwing your hands up in the air and retreating back to the basement isn't a solution. Most women want a guy who is wealthy and good looking just as a man wants a woman with big breasts, pretty face, and a slender body. Does that mean we all get what we want? No, what most people say they want is different from what most people actually do. My wife is good looking but she isn't a super model and I'm not wealthy myself and yet here I am a married man with kid and another one on the way. I'm not that special but I put myself out there enough to gain confidence as a younger man. There's a plethora of dating apps available which makes it all easier than it was in the past. Put some effort into your profile of you going to interesting places and don't take a photo of yourself that makes you look like you just crawled out of bed. I'm not that sympathetic because I am a pretty short dude but I had tons of women from dating apps before I got married, if I can do it so can these guys.

 

[So Fresh]

Islam has the reputation it does for a reason. It also has people currently protesting in Iran. Nobody wants to cover their entire bodies in 100 degree heat daily meanwhile the guys can dress however the hell they want. That's not where it ends either, women are treated like second class citizens in many of these countries. You're an apologist and a crappy one at that because you also make false accusations. I have criticized China a lot in the last year, they are going in an awful direction but I guess you need to bring that up because defending Islam is a losing position. Women are respected in their culture for one reason, breeding. They're respected in the same way a brood mare was respected for creating more mounts for soldiers in the past. Islam is a perfect religion to welcome incels because what better religion to join than one that vehemently hates women and uses its book to justify taking the rights away from women and LGBT people.

I don’t know if muslims “welcome” incels. I think it’s more the other way around, incels take from Islam what they think is beneficial for their believe system. And certain branches of Islam will be drawn to that.

 

[Zazen]

What's funny to me is that when people hear of the complaints of incels, the standard advise is to lower ones' standards. But when women complain about the lack of "economically attractive men", that's seen as a perfectly valid complaint and the idea that they should lower their standards isn't cosndiered as readily. In fairness one big difference is that women seem more content to be alone so they are happier to hold out for Mr.Right even if he never comes along while men seem to go insane if they're alone long enough and would rather date someone than be forever alone.

Everyone knows where you stand, if you changed your position it was because the evidence was overwhelmingly against your apologist narrative and you finally had to admit that. Before that you were happy to defend children being taken from their parents and people being thrown into "reeducation camps"

I don't really need to defend my religion from uneducated critiques by communist sympathizers, communists by their very nature despise the religious for refusing to bow to their "revolution" and you seem to be no exception.

You keep making assumptions, you know you are in a losing position when you defend that disgusting religion of yours. Look at the women protesting in Iran. And genius over here is like "yeah, they like that." You're moron

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

Even if that is as such, that is not the way it is practiced in a lot of Muslim countries. I hope you’re not planning to argue otherwise

The problem is cultural not Islamic. There are Islamic groups that mutilate girl's genitals, but there is nothing in the Quran that justifies such a barbaric act.

 

[Zazen]

I don’t know if muslims “welcome” incels. I think it’s more the other way around, incels take from Islam what they think is beneficial for their believe system. And certain branches if Islam will be drawn to that.

That's for a reason, incels recognize that Islam has achieved what they want. They want a society with strict gender roles where men are entitled to certain privileges. Islam is just not compatible with my world view and I won't defend it ever. It is a religion that would send us back in time. This is where I get into arguments with a lot of fellow leftists. I see a ton of support for them but these idiots are no better than the moronic Christian nationalists that want to force their views on the rest of Americans. Most Muslims just don't have political power in the USA. If they did, it would be no different than the current agenda you see from extremists here. Full on abortion ban, putting prayer in school, punish LGBT, etc.

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

I saw this video by The Economist, I knew just from the thumbnail and the title that it would ultra-cringe.

That's just not true, from the beginning women in Islam have had property rights and rights of inheritance which in parts of Christendom only came in the late 19th century. I'm not going to pretend like there aren't many Muslim countries that are incredibly oppressive towards women(just look a the Iran protests for starters) but when you look Islamic society in the classical period things are a lot more complicated than the Orientalist myths would have you believe.

With all due respect, saying that hiring a prostitute is the solution to these incels is like telling someone who is lonely and looking for friends to just hire friends. What they crave is genuine intimacy that can't be given by a market transaction. It does kind of show just how commodified everything in our society is that our first impulse to dealing with social problems is to just throw money at it.

You do realize that in many Western countries most converts to Islam are women right? In fact in some countries its over 2:1. But I guess I should expect this kind of take from one of the few posters who runs interference for the Uyghur ethnic cleansing, you must think of us in that way to jsutify that atrocity.

I don't think a lot of people realize that Chivalry came from earlier Islamic civilization. Islamic scholars played no small role in influencing current Christian theology and philosophy. Thomas Aquinas utilized a lot of theology and philosophy from earlier Islamic scholars.