In the current era, which is more important? Striking or Grappling?

[Fahcough]

Which is more important to your manhood

Striking is hiking a mountain, grappling is riding the short bus up there. less risk, not exciting, same reward. Although one is 100xs more self fulfilling

 

[wolfss]

Which is more important to your manhood

Striking is hiking a mountain, grappling is riding the short bus up there. less risk, not exciting, same reward. Although one is 100xs more self fulfilling

Winning is the goal!! Or did I miss something?? Strikers stopping takedowns and wrestlers mauling strikers, Thats the beauty of MMA “ mixed martial arts”. Go watch kickboxing,thai boxing or boxing for pure striking.

 

[Legendary]

To be fair, no reason for boxers to switch to UFC when they win more money in their sport. Olympic grapplers have nowhere to go.

Ronda is an olympic grappler and Holly took her soul because female boxers don't earn as much as men and she switched to MMA. I know it's WMMA and all but still. If a guy like Ngannou is the most terryfing heavyweight right now, What do you think a guy like Joshua could do?

But, yeah. BJJ will always be the #1 sport to learn in MMA, that won't ever change

Counter wrestling is more important then BJJ imo. If BJJ was the most important, then pure BJJ guys would be dominating the sport. Despite the success of Maia and Jacare, most of them get smashed when strikes are involved.

 

[COBRA03]

I think a striker with excellent takedown defense is the way to go. It's a lot more exciting usually! That said, guys with a wrestling background seem to be doing pretty good nowadays.

 

[wolfss]

Which is more important to your manhood

Striking is hiking a mountain, grappling is riding the short bus up there. less risk, not exciting, same reward. Although one is 100xs more self fulfilling

+++ lol at your comparison. You probably rode the “short bus”. Surprisingly your grammar is pretty good.

 

[Fahcough]

Winning is the goal!! Or did I miss something?? Strikers stopping takedowns and wrestlers mauling strikers, Thats the beauty of MMA “ mixed martial arts”. Go watch kickboxing,thai boxing or boxing for pure striking.

I do.

You can win at video games, some people prefer not to play on easy mode. Like grappling . Women and children's preferred method of defense

+++ lol at your comparison. You probably rode the “short bus”. Surprisingly you’re grammar is pretty good.

What color were the seats on You'res

 

[TheChance]

I think a striker with excellent takedown defense is the way to go. It's a lot more exciting usually! That said, guys with a wrestling background seem to always do good.

Fixed

 

[JKS]

Striking is the most important element of mma today. All you have to do is look at the top 15 in every division and see how all those fighters perform. And all the champions aside Khabib apply a strategy of majority striking with a some grappling, but most of their wins are a result of striking. And there are like 6/8 champs that have a wrestling base.

The thought that wrestling was the best base for mma came around the late 00s and early 2010s because wrestlers could dictate where the fight takes place with the threat of the takedown. Fighters like Frankie Edgar, Ben Henderson, GSP, among others had a lot success and the term "wrestle boxer" evident in mma. Now these fighters would use striking to set up takedowns or the threat of the take down to strike, although their striking was never dominant but effective. Over the past decade these wrestlers actually developed top level striking and moved away from actually wrestling and grappling a lot. Partly because it's just the evolution of a fighter and also because opposing fighters learned how to defend takedowns very well. TJ Dillashaw, Cejudo, Woodley, Cormier, Romero, Weidman among others are actually able to stand with top strikers and win. We see these guys fight and they hardly ever actually shoot for take downs and use top control in comparison to striking.

 

[Fiddlesticks]

It's gotta be grappling. Wrestling or BJJ. Even Anthony Pettis, who's a high level striker, had to resort to using BJJ in order to win AND defend his LW belt.

 

[Better Every Day]

In the UFC women's divisions, looking at champions...

Nunes is better known for her striking than her grappling.
So is Cyborg.
Shevchenko is better known for her striking than her grappling.
Jedrzejczyk is better known for her striking than her grappling.
And Namajunas took and retained the strawweight title from Jedrzejczyk via striking.

Tatiana Suarez might give us a strawweight champion with an elite wrestling base, however, in the future.

 

[Bumblebeef]

the striker is the torero the grappler/wrestler the bull.
grappling/wrestling is more dominant but strikers (stand up fighters) is what the crowd want to see and pay for (usually) because they wanna see how a striker beats a grappler because the grapplers are more dominant.

 

[CrocodileJoe]

The UFC's lightest champion, and heaviest Champion we're both Olympic wrestlers.

 

[Mortal Wombat]

Every era has been grappling

 

[Marc A]

Most of the champs won their titles with striking, but you do have Khabib who is very dominant.

DC KO'd Stipe on the clinch break.

Jon GNP'd Gus

Rob does most of his work on the feet.

Tyron has been counter wrestling and striking

Khabib GNP everyone

Max beats you up on the feet.

TJ beats you up on the feet.

Cejudo beat DJ with his wrestling.

Grappling for belts,.
Striking for ppv buys

Usually

 

[OG Thanos]

Well that stat that 90% of fights go to the ground at some point rings true here.

Grappling is more important.

But you will hear a lot of BOOOOSSS coming from the audience if one fighter gets taken down a lot or it stays on the ground for too long. This can't be good for the business. Lol

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Counter wrestling is more important then BJJ imo. If BJJ was the most important, then pure BJJ guys would be dominating the sport. Despite the success of Maia and Jacare, most of them get smashed when strikes are involved.

Everyone trains buy, counter wrestling is only good if you can actually outstrike your opponent, and u don’t think striking is part of the wrestling curriculum...

They said, Wrestling is the best base for mma, there’s no doubt about it

 

[mc3]

Eye pokes and steroids

Initially dismissed this comment but then realized it's actually quite true. Jon Jones for example would never have dominated the LHW division without mastering these skills.

A solid ped cycle of tren and dbol with pct plus some solid eyepokes are enough to deter even the best grappler.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Grappling

HW Champion - DC(wrestled in the Olympics)
LHW Champion - Jones(College wrestler)
MW Champion - Whittaker(no long term wrestling background but he has competed in wrestling in Australia at the national level)
WW Champion - Woodley(College wrestler)
LW Champion - Khabib(more of a Sambo guy but from one of the best regions in the world for wrestling)
FW Champion - Holloway(no wrestling background to my knowlege)
BW Champion - Dillashaw(College wrestler)
FLY Champion - Cejudo(gold medalist)

So only one of the current champions hasn't competed at a high level in wrestling.

 

[Greg House]

Counter wrestling is more important then BJJ imo. If BJJ was the most important, then pure BJJ guys would be dominating the sport. Despite the success of Maia and Jacare, most of them get smashed when strikes are involved.

Pure BJJ or pure wrestlers will never dominate, man. It's 2019. The cuban guy that beat Cormier on the olympics lost in the UFC recently being submitted by some striker in round 1 because he knew nothing about BJJ.

I meant that BJJ is the first thing you should learn, the most important one to know if you don't want to lose against bums. That girl that beat ciborg in muay thai and badr hari lost fights against bums because they got submitted early. Meanwhile Kron Gracie or Roger Gracie did all right against bums.

On low level, you can do well with BJJ but not with the others. On high level you won't do well with any of these alone. You can "claim" that Woodley is just a "wrestler" but the truth is that he is a better striker than 90% of his division and knows a lot more about BJJ than 90% of the division too. Not a "wrestler" at all anymore. It's the same for all the other champions. In the current era, being well rounded is more important. It has been for a while

And Jacare knocked out the wrestlers Brunson and Weidman who are great strikers too. Then got outboxed by the wrestler Gastelum who ia a great boxer too. They are all well rounded, so not a good example.

But Maia is one dimensional, and the fact that he can pull it off at high level while olympic wrestlers like Batista and K-1 strikers like Badr Hari lose so fast, should tell you something about BJJ. Cejudo and Cormier are well rounded, they got their belts knocking out people and they are wrestlers. Not the same as Batista.

 

[fortheo]

You need both. Been that way for years now.

If you’re a striker who can’t prevent a single takedown? You’re screwed.

A grappler who can’t set up his takedowns with Strikes? Again, screwed.

MVP v Daley this past weekend is an great example of the former.

Maia v Worley is a great example of the latter.

Maia has been top ten for a decade and has the second most wins in UFC history. His career is much better than a lot of guys who are far more well rouded than him. Losing a few fights doesn't change the fact that he's had a very highly successful career--more successful than the majority of MMA fighters--while mainly being only a grappler.


It ultimately depends on the fighter and their skillset and how they go about using it.