I'm sure it's been said before... but 294 was a catastrophic error by Volk

don't ask said:
No matter how poorly I think of the UFC, they always find ways to make the sport worse for the athletes. It's like a super power Dana White has.

Also, I can't explain what Volk was thinking. He lost the previous fight, when he was at his absolute peak, but he thought it was a good idea to take a rematch on short notice after a surgery? Either he was delusional or the money was too good to turn down, but I hope he didn't damage his future because I enjoy him as champion.
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ARAB MONEY...WE GETTING ARAB MONEY!
 
Spam On Rye said:
How do you know that he didn't need to take this fight? Maybe he only cares about the money. Maybe he just wants to compete and doesn't care about legacy. I'm sure fans want to see him protect his legacy but that's not Volk's problem.
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Well Volk actually told us why he took the fight, we don’t have to guess. Fighting is giving him a way to cope with some mental health challenges he’s been dealing with. I’m just saying he probably didn’t need the money, he could’ve fed his family just fine without this fight. I’m willing to bet he already has an 8 figure net worth.
 
Nausicaa said:
Alex is a man in charge of his own career. He made the decision and his team supported it.

The UFC obviously wanted the card to be huge because it was an Abu Dhabi card, hence they got Alex and kamaru but then again, it's ultimately their decision to make. They both got a shit tons of money and moreover:

For Alex: he is fighting for legacy, there isn't a clear path to him getting a second shot at the 155 in the near future. As the commentators said, no one has gotten 2 shots at the second belt, Alex was the first. So that was his only shot at the 155 belt again in the near future. He dared to be great and came up short. High risk, high reward

For Usman: he is old and came from a 2 fight losing streak. His title path is bleak in the near future. Accepting the chimaev fight, he had a title shot next if he won. Low risk, high reward.

You Alex fans need to accept it and move on. Stop crying and pointing fingers. Alex dared to be great, came up short.
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The Commentators are full of shit. Everyone knew Volk was going to get a second shot since the first fight happened. Volk just couldn't continue sitting out. His mental health got the best of him, even he admits that. A Volk in a good state of mind doesn't take a last minute legacy fight like this.

That or that Middle East oil money just looked reallllll nice in the bank account.
 
moosaev said:
Well Volk actually told us why he took the fight, we don’t have to guess. Fighting is giving him a way to cope with some mental health challenges he’s been dealing with. I’m just saying he probably didn’t need the money, he could’ve fed his family just fine without this fight. I’m willing to bet he already has an 8 figure net worth.
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I hear what you're saying but in the end we have no right to tell another man what he needs.
 
P4P listing is bs fantasy so means nothing. He went up a weight class and got smoked by the champ. Anyone thinking less of Volk is a wiener.
 
welcometohavoc said:
You can also make this argument for the co-main as well.

Usman coming off knee injuries, moving up a weightclass, on short notice, against a top fighter.

Both guys did a favor for company and tarnished their legacies because of it
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Agree on Volk, disagree on Usman.

Kamaru Usman enhanced his reputation, IMO. He weathered the storm like a pro, and started walking Chimaev down, nailing him.

Usman stock rose based on his performance IMO.
 
Stone Golem said:
Agree on Volk, disagree on Usman.

Kamaru Usman enhanced his reputation, IMO. He weathered the storm like a pro, and started walking Chimaev down, nailing him.

Usman stock rose based on his performance IMO.
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No one 5-10 years from now is going to remember that Usman "weathered the storm" or "walked Khamzat down"

All they're going to remember is that the former WW champion lost a fight
 
TheBulge said:
Nobody "tarnished his legacy". Bunch of dramaqueens here.
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You're either new, naive, or both

There are still thousands of fans on this website who discredit GSP completely for losing to Matt Serra and there are dozens of examples of fighters who fight past their prime and lose who also get discredited every day
 
don't ask said:
No matter how poorly I think of the UFC, they always find ways to make the sport worse for the athletes. It's like a super power Dana White has.

Also, I can't explain what Volk was thinking. He lost the previous fight, when he was at his absolute peak, but he thought it was a good idea to take a rematch on short notice after a surgery? Either he was delusional or the money was too good to turn down, but I hope he didn't damage his future because I enjoy him as champion.
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Hearing a few of Volk’s statements after the fight abt having a tough time mentally in the months before he stepped up on short notice helps to understand the decision a bit. Based on things he’s said, seems like the injury and having a baby while sidelined really fucked w his head cus he talked about recognizing his time in the sport is limited, and not being able to train fully or fight made him feel like his window to feed his family and make the most of his prime was closing.

He said once Charles fell out, he felt like ‘it was meant to be’ since he was desperate for a fight and a huge one fell right into his lap, so he jumped at the opportunity. I’d imagine that, to whatever extent, he really believed ‘this is how the story goes.’ Right when he’s struggling mentally from not fighting, a fight randomly pops up, so I can see how he was able to really buy into the story and show up believing he’d find a way. Sometimes the self-belief that gets you to the top can lead you astray too.
 
OleBuffalo said:
Hearing a few of Volk’s statements after the fight abt having a tough time mentally in the months before he stepped up on short notice helps to understand the decision a bit. Based on things he’s said, seems like the injury and having a baby while sidelined really fucked w his head cus he talked about recognizing his time in the sport is limited, and not being able to train fully or fight made him feel like his window to feed his family and make the most of his prime was closing.

He said once Charles fell out, he felt like ‘it was meant to be’ since he was desperate for a fight and a huge one fell right into his lap, so he jumped at the opportunity. I’d imagine that, to whatever extent, he really believed ‘this is how the story goes.’ Right when he’s struggling mentally from not fighting, a fight randomly pops up, so I can see how he was able to really buy into the story and show up believing he’d find a way. Sometimes the self-belief that gets you to the top can lead you astray too.
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Thanks for the info, that's some really good insight!
 
maximus__ said:
PED failure and GSP avenged all his losses so I have him above Anderson personally. Bisping wasn't the weakest MW champ it's probably Sean Strickland to be honest at this point, but that may change. I remember less than 4 fights ago when Sean was winning via jabbing backwards. Bisping had only lost to Rockhold and PED cheats before he lost the belt. He actually had also fought at LHW and was a rankings main stay for years. he should have lost via KO to Anderson though, that knee was a KO every day of the week.
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Avenging losses sounds like some mental gymnastics that a loser mentality uses.
 
It's Abu Dhabi dude - Volk got fucking paid. Legacy is great and everything but there's still life after fighting and you need fucking money to survive after your fight career is done.

There was no mistake made. Everybody has a price.
 
checktheknuckles said:
Avenging losses sounds like some mental gymnastics that a loser mentality uses.
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Or like a fighter losing at points in his career against other prime fighters and putting himself back in the position to then avenge that loss.

GSP lost 2x in career and earned his way back to a rematch each time over top ranked guys to get that shot.

That's a pretty amazing feat that hasn't really been equaled to this day. Most modern champs get an instant rematch and lose their belts in that fight or the fight pretty much straight after.GSP actually did some of his best work after those losses.
No shame in a loss when you come back and dominate in the rematch with a number of fights in between.
 
Stone Golem said:
Agree on Volk, disagree on Usman.

Kamaru Usman enhanced his reputation, IMO. He weathered the storm like a pro, and started walking Chimaev down, nailing him.

Usman stock rose based on his performance IMO.
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Agreed about Kamaru, personally I’m pulling for him more than prob ever before now. A decorated former champ even being willing to step up in that scenario then goes out there and shows the world that not only is he still right there athletically but also reminds us that he’s just a fierce ass competitor at his core.

Never stopped trying to win, fought out of danger in Khamzat’s best positions, was spry enough on his busted knees to defend tds, was landing solid punches and looked willing to dog it out and get ugly if need be. Wish we could see it over 5 rounds
 
PooInYourCereal said:
The Commentators are full of shit. Everyone knew Volk was going to get a second shot since the first fight happened. Volk just couldn't continue sitting out. His mental health got the best of him, even he admits that. A Volk in a good state of mind doesn't take a last minute legacy fight like this.

That or that Middle East oil money just looked reallllll nice in the bank account.
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A combination
-really wanted a fight soon
-really wanted to fight Islam again
-got offered a boatload of money
-is a company dude
 
i mean its also a bad look on the ufc too that a fighter of alex caliber needs to step in short notice, knowingly clearly disadvantaged from the start and as a champ
it shows how much they care about him, not at all, just the oil money
one thing volk is right about is, when roles reversed, islam never takes the fight, in which case most people here would praise him for
its also an admission by volk that islam actually cares about legacy and dont care for money as prime motivation
 
It was gonna be the same for Max at 223, Bisping was the exception not the rule.
 
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