I'm more convinced than ever that Jon Jones is suspended

This is a decent theory and one I'd lean towards believing.
 
All I’ll say on this whole topic is that literally both USADA, and the UFC have changed procedures and the way they do things. Specifically because of Jones.

When it comes to him.. There is no shady shit, corruption, or favourtism they could show him that would surprise me at this point. Including how a lifetime ban could somehow be argued in arbitration into a mere 2 year suspension. Money talks, and the dick pill, tainted supplements defence could be upheld by an “independent” (But possibly corrupt) arbiter. And the supposed mandatory lifetime ban could suddenly just become another mere 2 year suspension.

The bottom line for me is, fuck that guy. And if he never fights again, the sport will be better off for it.

That is I'd agree probably the main thing in favour of this theory, that the whole MMA testing/punishment enviroment has been shown up to be a total joke by Jones.

Honestly I think its a bit fishy that so few big names have been hit with bans, only Dillashaw and that I almost wonder would that have happened had he beaten Cejudo?
 
The way Dana said 2022 last time his name came up. That grin. I'm an apologist for Jones and have been for a long time.

It gets tiring ... If it walks, talks and quacks like a duck ......... It's hard to argue any other point
 
You’re lying again. His test result came back after the fight. We knew he failed usada before nsac.

It’s the commissions job to rule an NC, not usada genius.

Again vitor was 8 years ago before usada and it wasn’t an automatic violation. They changed rules since. They didn’t have to…but that’s your one proof piece….cmon….
no you're lying

his test came back after for NSAC and thats why they overturned the result

Of course UFC, USADA, and Lesnar knew about failed test as well.

Nobody said USADA job was to rule NC. genius

Doesn't matter to you about Vitor cause it was 8 years ago blah blah blah

Fact remains whether it was 10, 15, or 2 years ago that UFC took full control of situation and let him fight anyways.

you keep saying there is ZERO proof except for the thing 8 years ago.

thats proof enough that have done it. And Lesnar case proof enough they did it again.

You expect there to be a blanket of evidence to throw over the conversation just to put it to rest. But you forget the main point.

You said no proof and it doesnt happen..

Vitor's and Lesnar's issue are enough "proof" to know they can change rules, ignore rules, or cover up any severity of violation at will if they see fit.
 
no you're lying

his test came back after for NSAC and thats why they overturned the result

Of course UFC, USADA, and Lesnar knew about failed test as well.

Nobody said USADA job was to rule NC. genius

Doesn't matter to you about Vitor cause it was 8 years ago blah blah blah

Fact remains whether it was 10, 15, or 2 years ago that UFC took full control of situation and let him fight anyways.

you keep saying there is ZERO proof except for the thing 8 years ago.

thats proof enough that have done it. And Lesnar case proof enough they did it again.

You expect there to be a blanket of evidence to throw over the conversation just to put it to rest. But you forget the main point.

You said no proof and it doesnt happen..

Vitor's and Lesnar's issue are enough "proof" to know they can change rules, ignore rules, or cover up any severity of violation at will if they see fit.


But all the negative tests came back after the fight not before. Of course you'll just say it didn't because reasons and conspiracies and without a shed of proof. He failed one test I believe before the fight then the night before the fight and the one after the fight, but the original one came back right after the fight, as of course fight night tests would never have come back before the fight obviously.
 
no you're lying

his test came back after for NSAC and thats why they overturned the result

Of course UFC, USADA, and Lesnar knew about failed test as well.

Nobody said USADA job was to rule NC. genius

Doesn't matter to you about Vitor cause it was 8 years ago blah blah blah

Fact remains whether it was 10, 15, or 2 years ago that UFC took full control of situation and let him fight anyways.

you keep saying there is ZERO proof except for the thing 8 years ago.

thats proof enough that have done it. And Lesnar case proof enough they did it again.

You expect there to be a blanket of evidence to throw over the conversation just to put it to rest. But you forget the main point.

You said no proof and it doesnt happen..

Vitor's and Lesnar's issue are enough "proof" to know they can change rules, ignore rules, or cover up any severity of violation at will if they see fit.

Honestly I tend to think that the whole adoption of USADA was about building credibility by finding a few high profile patsys like Crocop and Machida who the UFC didnt really need that much, they could throw the book at them and be seen to be being tough on PEDs.
 
The stuff about USADA no longer publicly announcing sanctions for popped fighters is a Sherdog urban legend.

https://www.usada.org/news/sanctions/
My god, you need some time training as a scientist to understand basic concepts.

Do not need to announce != will never announce anything. Since I'm assuming you don't recognize that symbol, it means does not equal.

And since I'm sure you're STILL CONFUSED, let me break it down. The UFC announced that they can hide information from the public, not reporting PED test failures. However, this is their choice. This is not an athlete right. The company holds all the cards. That means if they choose to, they can still announce PED test failures as they like.

They need to announce enough PED test failures to convince people that the system isn't rigged.
 
no you're lying

his test came back after for NSAC and thats why they overturned the result

Of course UFC, USADA, and Lesnar knew about failed test as well.

Nobody said USADA job was to rule NC. genius
Lol. Wtf are you talking about? Usada reported that lesnar failed his out of competition test before the nsac reported he failed his in competition test. That’s a fact. They BOTH came back after the fight. Only the NSAC can rule it a NC. Not usada. Again, you’ve been completely misinformed this entire discussion and yet you act indignant. You thought he had an exemption from testing……you thought he had an exemption from test levels……..now you’re making new things up. It’s comical.

Doesn't matter to you about Vitor cause it was 8 years ago blah blah blah

Fact remains whether it was 10, 15, or 2 years ago that UFC took full control of situation and let him fight anyways.

you keep saying there is ZERO proof except for the thing 8 years ago.

thats proof enough that have done it. And Lesnar case proof enough they did it again.

You expect there to be a blanket of evidence to throw over the conversation just to put it to rest. But you forget the main point.

You said no proof and it doesnt happen..

Vitor's and Lesnar's issue are enough "proof" to know they can change rules, ignore rules, or cover up any severity of violation at will if they see fit.

Again, you are completely making shit up about lesnar. The only exemption he had was not having to wait 6 months in the testing pool before being able to fight. Which the ufc has discretion on per their own policy and everyone was aware including his opponent who was happy to take the payday at the time.

They didn’t change rules for vitor. He had a TUE under their policy and his results weren’t some automatic fail under the rules (again, before they actively moved to bring in usada).

Your evidence that they can do whatever they want whenever they want is vitor in 2013 with elevated testosterone. Yet you’re pretending that proves they can do whatever they want whenever……

Again, anyone can make any claim without support……keep at it…….
 
My god, you need some time training as a scientist to understand basic concepts.

Do not need to announce != will never announce anything. Since I'm assuming you don't recognize that symbol, it means does not equal.

And since I'm sure you're STILL CONFUSED, let me break it down. The UFC announced that they can hide information from the public, not reporting PED test failures. However, this is their choice. This is not an athlete right. The company holds all the cards. That means if they choose to, they can still announce PED test failures as they like.

They need to announce enough PED test failures to convince people that the system isn't rigged.

They report every sanction. Is this hard to follow? Did your “training as a scientist” include hard concepts like this?
 
Or adding on that much mass has significantly downgraded his cardio, speed and dexterity and he's taking time to redevelop those attributes at a higher weight
 
That's not a hole though. You can do whatever you want if no one knows about it.

In fact, your point SUPPORTS my theory. If they had announced his failed test and suspension, then they'd need to give him at least 4 years, if not alifetime ban. By not announcing it, they can give him a small suspension which still allows him to return and fight later.

Then why even suspend him?
 
Then why even suspend him?
Accountability.

USADA have limits. They can't just let dopers get off completely free, especially not 3rd strikers. If anyone ever found out that they outright HID PED failures, that would be a big problem. By at least suspending Jon for 2 years, they've done something should the truth come out -- but it still save Jon & the UFC from a 4+ year ban.
 
This 10 PAGE thread proves how brain dead this forum is lol
 
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This 10 PAGE thread proves how brain dead is his forum is lol


You gonna tell me Dana doesn't know something bud? Come on. If you think Jon isn't suspended then I don't know what to say.
 
Lol. Wtf are you talking about? Usada reported that lesnar failed his out of competition test before the nsac reported he failed his in competition test. That’s a fact. They BOTH came back after the fight. Only the NSAC can rule it a NC. Not usada. Again, you’ve been completely misinformed this entire discussion and yet you act indignant. You thought he had an exemption from testing……you thought he had an exemption from test levels……..now you’re making new things up. It’s comical.



Again, you are completely making shit up about lesnar. The only exemption he had was not having to wait 6 months in the testing pool before being able to fight. Which the ufc has discretion on per their own policy and everyone was aware including his opponent who was happy to take the payday at the time.

They didn’t change rules for vitor. He had a TUE under their policy and his results weren’t some automatic fail under the rules (again, before they actively moved to bring in usada).

Your evidence that they can do whatever they want whenever they want is vitor in 2013 with elevated testosterone. Yet you’re pretending that proves they can do whatever they want whenever……

Again, anyone can make any claim without support……keep at it…….


see you're lying again and you dont even know what you're talking about.

you said they cheated and it was known.
they should have never been allowed to fight.

except UFC green lighted everything to make that almighty dollar.
 
People still care about the dude who barely got through Reyes?
He’s still undefeated (save for that Hamill loss). He seems to clearly be in decline. But half the ppl wonder if he just couldn’t get motivated for the leftovers at LHW, or he truly is past his prime.
 
He’s still undefeated (save for that Hamill loss). He seems to clearly be in decline. But half the ppl wonder if he just couldn’t get motivated for the leftovers at LHW, or he truly is past his prime.
Everyone can make excuses for Jon if he wants.

But if he fights within 1 month of Feb. 8th (when a 2 year suspension would just end), then as far as I'm concerned that's proof.
 
Why would they hide that info?
Think it was announced they wouldn't put positive tests in the media so much because of getting sued for damages by fighters who turned out were on "tainted supplements"
 
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