Rewatch Illia topuria killing people

[r-harper-1]

See this is exactly what I’m talking about LOL, thanks for proving my point. There is literally no way Islam can win against a FW unless he blows them out. Why should he take a fight that has virtually no upside?

He doesn’t have to blow them out ….but stuck on bottom in the 5th round getting gnp while hopelessly staring at the clock isn’t gonna get credit ….2nd volk fight was Islam stepping up and taking a late notice opponent and doing what he should do in the fight imo…..I’m more of a Topuria fan and honestly just wanna see the fight ….if Islam has plans on moving up or thinks Topuria should win a fight , that’s completely fair ….Islam has fought the 145 lbs champ twice , it’s rational to think it’s his turn to go for a 2nd belt ….Islam vs Topuria the highest level fight possible for me and as a fan I wanna see it

 

[188912345]

I have no idea why you’re taking ilia’s word for it when he clearly has an agenda to corner the UFC into making this fight lol. Fans are accepting what ilia is saying as fact because they badly want it to be true, but I don’t buy it at all. When somebody tells you something it’s always smart to consider what their motivation is and that factors into how credible the information is.

As far as wanting to see ilia vs Islam from a competitive standpoint, I agree it’s a great fight but as a fan of Islam I also want him to do what’s right for his career, because there are a bunch of haters who’re praying on his downfall and are looking for ways to discredit his career purely due to his identity, so I don’t want his haters to win. The ilia vs Islam fight is a win-win for the Islam haters, if Islam beats ilia he only beat a FW, if he wins in a very very close fight they’ll say it’s a robbery and he struggled against a FW, if he loses then he lost to a FW! That’s why they want this fight so badly, it’s not only because it’s a good fight.

I'm taking his word for it because it makes sense from an objective standpoint and recent history in the UFC.

It makes way less sense for him to not have talks/guarantees about LW-titleshot before he moved up. Remember, he did KO 2 of the all time greats at FW back to back, which made him a star.

I can concede that you can't always trust Dana or UFCs word when circumstances change, but I find it unlikely that they want to jeopardize one of their biggest rising stars in favor of protecting Islams legacy.

A legacy should be earned by sporting achievements, not by making calculating career moves to minimize risk.

Look how well Jones ducking Aspinall has turned out for his reputation.
At this point it would have been more honorable if Jon just had taken the loss and retired.

Also, UFC is a fight promotion.
They don't particularly care about Islams haters or Topurias haters.
They want to make the biggest and most exciting fights, to make money.
Topuria is, according to the odds, the riskier fight.

If Islam really is thinking like you're thinking regarding this fight, he needs to see a sports psychologist ASAP.

I'm not certain about who would win, that's why this fight really excites me.

 

[moosaev]

I'm taking his word for it because it makes sense from an objective standpoint and recent history in the UFC.

It makes way less sense for him to not have talks/guarantees about LW-titleshot before he moved up. Remember, he did KO 2 of the all time greats at FW back to back, which made him a star.

I can concede that you can't always trust Dana or UFCs word when circumstances change, but I find it unlikely that they want to jeopardize one of their biggest rising stars in favor of protecting Islams legacy.

A legacy should be earned by sporting achievements, not by making calculating career moves to minimize risk.

Look how well Jones ducking Aspinall has turned out for his reputation.
At this point it would have been more honorable if Jon just had taken the loss and retired.

Also, UFC is a fight promotion.
They don't particularly care about Islams haters or Topurias haters.
They want to make the biggest and most exciting fights, to make money.
Topuria is, according to the odds, the riskier fight.

If Islam really is thinking like you're thinking regarding this fight, he needs to see a sports psychologist ASAP.

I'm not certain about who would win, that's why this fight really excites me.

Man, you really don’t get it, it’s not about sports psychology. You’re literally asking him to take a fight that has limited upside when going up to 170 has a much higher upside. You can’t really get past this fundamental issue, beating ilia won’t do much for Islam but getting a second belt will be career defining, he will be mentioned among the goats. He should not jump to the ilia fight he should wait to see how 170 plays out. That’s the smart move.

 

[188912345]

Man, you really don’t get it, it’s not about sports psychology. You’re literally asking him to take a fight that has limited upside when going up to 170 has a much higher upside. You can’t really get past this fundamental issue, beating ilia won’t do much for Islam but getting a second belt will be career defining, he will be mentioned among the goats. He should not jump to the ilia fight he should wait to see how 170 plays out. That’s the smart move.

No, I already agreed with you that Islam deserves the chance to fight for the WW-belt if he wants to.

I just 100% disagree that Islam should fight another LW for the title (if he doesn't go up) since I don't like when champs try to weasel their way into easier opponents.

Beating Ilia would do way more for his legacy than the other contenders at LW, especially given that Arman seems to be out of the picture for the next titleshot due to his pullout.

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

Islam broke the LW title defense record while Topuria dipped after one measly defense to avoid Movsar lol

He called out your crush. Try to keep up.

 

[moosaev]

I don't like when champs try to weasel their way into easier opponents.
Beating Ilia would do way more for his legacy than the other contenders at LW,

We simply disagree here. I think it’s objectively bad for Islam to have a majority of his defenses against a FW. You have to understand that Ilia’s current aura will not last forever, it will fade with time, and an islam win over ilia will likely lose value as ilia’s aura diminishes if he takes a few losses. But nothing will change the fact that Islam will have the reputation as only defending his title against FWs. That has nothing to do with sports psychology it’s an objective fact that will have a negative impact on his legacy . As I’ve said, I’ve already seen commentators knock Islam’s resume for this (Luke Thomas as one example). This is exactly why Islam’s team is insisting that Ilia get a win at LW first, so that a win over him will be unassailable in the future. I feel like you guys are trying really hard not to see Islam’s POV here lol, it’s very understandable and reasonable concern they have. You shouldn’t dismiss that as them trying to pick an easier opponent.

 

[moosaev]

He called out your crush. Try to keep up.

And Movsar called out ilia you dummy.

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

And Movsar called out ilia you dummy.

So movsar is the bigger challenge than your caveman?

 

[moosaev]

So movsar is the bigger challenge than your caveman?

English must not be your native language, you literally don’t even make sense lol. Write in your native language and put it into Google translate. Until then, good luck.

 

[nostradumbass]

Ilia just turned 28 and he's already got KO wins over 2 of the greatest FW's of all time. His career trajectory would suggest it's going to surpass anything Charles has ever done. It's more likely to get better, not worse. Islam getting this win now could be huge in the future.

That's doubtful. If Islam ends up ragdolling him or subbing him, he'll likely go back to FW and the odds of getting outwrestled by Evloev go up drastically after he loses some confidence and people see the blueprint to beat him, and then the win will be completely shit on as not just some FW, but one who wasn't even that established and just had a couple good fights against high mileage older guys. Max isn't that old, but he hast he record for most significant strikes absorbed at over 2,000, and the other 2(Emmett and Volk) were both over 35 and coming off losses.

How many people now in hindsight look at Khabib beating Conor as some earth shattering win? Ilia had a great year in 2024, but it's not like years of dominance or some long reign, so he's well in range where a loss or 2 would be considered him getting "exposed" and the win for the people who beat him to age poorly.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

I'm still not sold on Topuria. I'm getting Cody Garbrandt vibes from when Cody won the belt.

If I see him win 4-5 championship fights knocking people out, then maybe I'll believe he's more like Anderson Silva. But until proven otherwise, he's another flash in the pan.

By then your opinion will matter less than it does now

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

He’s no prime McGregor, that’s for sure

 

[BluntForceTrama]

I’ll say this I don’t think I’ve ever seen another fighter string a combo the way topiuria does especially w the right hook cherry on top

Vicious

 

[Thatlookinhiseyes]

To me, I wanna see Islam fight arman then Ilia. Arman haslooked great recently, he's a legit 155er. Then fight Ilia. I also think he has earned the chance to fight for the ww belt next, but only If he vacates the lw one. Ww has to many contenders. Shavkat, Brady, buckley, garry/prates winner.

 

[Luffy]

He's a killer. No wonder Khabib and Islam want no piece of him.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

That Ryan Hall one was especially wholesome


I want to see Jai Herbert vs Topuria II

 

[188912345]

We simply disagree here.

Fair enough.

You have to understand that Ilia’s current aura will not last forever, it will fade with time, and an islam win over ilia will likely lose value as ilia’s aura diminishes if he takes a few losses.

By that same logic, Arman, Charles or Gaethjes auras have already faded due to their losses. Two of them he's already beaten, last one has been strangled twice in title fights.

I feel like you guys are trying really hard not to see Islam’s POV here lol, it’s very understandable and reasonable concern they have.

I can understand it, but I can't agree with it since it's an emotional argument that doesn't make sense logically if you consider all factors. That's why I'm wasting my time poking holes in it.

You shouldn’t dismiss that as them trying to pick an easier opponent.

But this is the point, it's essentially the consequences of what will happen if they will get their way.

Islam will then get an easier title defense against someone he has either already beaten or someone who shouldn't be in the title picture and has already been finished twice in title fights and is very much a dream stylistic matchup for him.

I will end this discussion by pointing out yet again the hypocrisy of team Islam and how his stance on the Ilia fight directly contradicts his previous quotes about;
Not wanting rematches.
A gladiator doesn't choose his opponent.
Belt means he's the best, will fight anyone the ufc puts up against him that can make 155.

Hopefully, UFC put their foot down and perhaps increased his salary and guaranteed him the WW-shot to make him take the fight or vacate.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

I'm still not sold on Topuria. I'm getting Cody Garbrandt vibes from when Cody won the belt.

If I see him win 4-5 championship fights knocking people out, then maybe I'll believe he's more like Anderson Silva. But until proven otherwise, he's another flash in the pan.

Trolls used to be clever

 

[Substance Abuse]

I wass gotten to when Ilia finished Max. I can't stand his hyperbole when talking to the media. But at the end of the day, the he's an excellent fighter and fun to watch.

 

[hector domino]

Bro if you call out Islam and want to fight him, you're not ducking Movsar. You're trying to level up and increase your competition.

Bro if you want to Fight in WW and want to fight Belal, you're not ducking Topuria. You're trying to level up and increase your competition.