Media Ilia Topuria's coach confirms he is done at 145lbs, wants Charles Oliveira in May

What a duck.

Still, we can't really blame these guys. It's a business. They will generally look for the higher profile easier fights they can get.

Everyone knows Charles' chin is not his best asset, to say the least, and he won't try to wrestle for the most part (and if he does, he doesn't have much for guys with great TDD defense).
lol at making it seem like Charles is a cherry pick. He's one of the best LWs ever.

Oliveira has gotten many great fighters to the ground. I dont know why people phrase it like he's Kron Gracie or something. His last fight he took down someone with good TDD at will.

Topuria is the hardest hitting FW of all time by some degree. Why would he need to fight someone with a "weak" chin to put him away? That would be the least of his concerns, I would think.
 
Mini-Poatan.

This is good -- Ilia on search and destroy mode in different weight classes.

Let Ilia fight -- he is violent and effective on the big stage and is riding high on his own personal wave of destruction.

It appears he is on a mission to get to Islam.

I'd rather have a Champ douchebag like Ilia -- looking for more big names to violently finish in different weight classes --

than almost any other type of fighter, especially those squatting on rank or pondering on easiest matchups to advance their career or protect their legacy.
 
Weight cut is certainly too rough on him. The only issue is his legacy at fw.
 
What if Arman Tsarukyan is able to beat Islam Makhachev in the rematch and possible trilogy fight? That would leave Ilia in no man's land, don't think he will be willing to fight a fellow Georgian.
 
What if Arman Tsarukyan is able to beat Islam Makhachev in the rematch and possible trilogy fight? That would leave Ilia in no man's land, don't think he will be willing to fight a fellow Georgian.
Won't be a trilogy if Arman wins. Atleast not instantly. Ramadan is around the corner so Islam will be out for a while and Arman said he wants to stay active.

Arman also said on Ariels show that he'd be willing to fight Ilia if he moves up lol. Arman strikes me as the kind of guy who'd fight his own granny in the name of the sport. He doesn't care.
 
"Weight drained" Lol Max had beaten every other featherweight he fought in the 10 years prior aside from Volkanovski until he ran into Topuria. He had 6+ months to adjust back down to FW after UFC 300, Max didn't make any complaints or excuses and neither should his fans.

Yeah, but at a younger age.

Max is now 33.

Marvin Hagler, perhaps the greatest MW boxer of all time, remained @ Middleweight his entire career — but he lost to Leonard when he was 33 years of age.

At 5'9", Hagler was too small to move up to super middleweight or LHW.

As good as Max Holloway is, he is no Marvin Hagler.

Max is now 33, and moving up to LW is a good decision.

99.99% of fighters, who continue their career after their early 30s, have to move up it's not really an option.

Back to boxing —

Another Middleweight great, Bernard Hopkins, had a body type similar to Holloway. He LOST his MW championship in 2005, when he was 40 years old. It's unprecedented what Hopkins did.

He continued to fight (and win) @ LHW after that, finally getting KO'd at 51 years of age.

Back to Max Holloway ...

Citing his accomplishments "in his 20s", and (now) early 30s, has nothing to do with the reality Max is getting older.

Moving up from 145 to 155 makes sense for Max, a tall, long fighter.

For Ilia, a tiny man by comparison, still in his mid-late 20s, moving up is premature and stupid.

Ilia should try to compete in his "lowest/best weight," for as long as he can.

History has shown MOST fighters start losing regularly, the moment they move up in weight after their prime.
 

Yeah, he likes him cause he's Georgian but that's not the same thing as Arman thinking he is Georgian or not wanting to fight Georgians.

Arman was raised in Russia and is literally fighting a Russian for the title, his priorities are clear. I dont think he'll have any problems fighting Topuria. They're pretty dang far from being cousins.
 
he got one title defense and he is done in featherweight wtf
There is more glory to beat Evloev than Oliveira who is not even champ not even number one contender in lightweight
Dude wants to go for a 2nd belt and retire at 30.. he is 27.

If he drops the belt then I'm cool with it. He knocked out Volkanovski and Holloway.

He also finished smartest UFC fighter Bryce Mitchel and sent annoying Ryan Hall to the shadow realm.

His work at FW was pretty good.
 
If Poirier, Chandler and Gaethje couldn't get Charles out of there, Topuria certainly won't....

That being said, Poirier vs Topuria would be excellent to watch.


Topuria is much more technical and skilled at boxing compared to Chandler and JG. This is almost hilarious. Justin is still literally throwing himself to the floor lobbing hooks.

Chandler has a losing UFC record and doesn't really require further explanation, he loses to ranked fighters as a rule.

Poirier has excellent boxing and power, but is not as fast and with much worse defense. Topuria would immediately become one of the best strikers in the division should he move up next.
 
He needs to test himself against a seasoned grappler in the FW before he does that against anyone who will have a strength advantage against him in the LW. Best Evloev first. Imo he could take everyone except Makachev/Tsarukyan who would neutralize his grappling. Oliveira would definitely give him a run for his money as well.


First things first - if you cannot make the weight safely and its compromising your health, the decision is made to move up in and of itself. No other factors are required. He is not overly muscled and only 27, he's short and compact but clearly has a very difficult time making 145lbs.

Second, Topuria is a grappler turned striker. His base is grappling. He already knows by now if he's competent to grapple with guys the size of UFC lightweights.

Remember when Gilbert Burns said Topuria was beating the shit out of everyone in the training room? In the context of his last two fights, makes a lot of sense.
 
Max and Volk are great wins but he has far from cleared the division, he can leave if he wants tho, just vacate the belt. Lopes #3 and on a 5 fight win streak, Evloev undefeated at #4 with a 9 fight UFC win streak. He's taking the Conor approach but at least he defended the belt once so props for that.
 
I remember when Hill gained alot of fans for being selfless enough to vacate his belt.

Yeah, but he was injured and had at least that as a reason. I don't buy that illia is going to give up on championship pay, drop the belt, and go fight contenders up a weight class for less money. I don't think we've seen a champ vacate just to go be a contender in another division.

Can you recall that happening?

Maybe Illia's weight cut is so bad that it will make him be the first to do this, but I don't know man -- he's only 5'7. I think he can make the weight if he really wants, and I think he will make FW again. Ilia talks A LOT, and until he drops that FW belt, I'm going to continue believing that this is all talk.
 
i think it's dumb to vacate your title to not fight for another belt. this could come back to bite him in the ass. he fights Oliveira and Oliveira makes it very difficult for him he's basically in no man's land after that. no way he'll feel confident to fight Islam if Oliveira gave him trouble and no going back to FW after you just vacated the title.

the only way this is a smart move is if he smokes Oliveira and then smokes Islam. any difficulties happen in between now and then and he's going to lose out on tons of money, especially if UFC makes a FW title fight between Evloev and Lopes and then whoever wins starts playing hardball on giving Topuria title shot if he wants to go back down.

also, if he's going to LW, he should stay there. going up and down in weight is not good for fighters.
 
Yeah, but he was injured and had at least that as a reason. I don't buy that illia is going to give up on championship pay, drop the belt, and go fight contenders up a weight class for less money. I don't think we've seen a champ vacate just to go be a contender in another division.

Can you recall that happening?

Maybe Illia's weight cut is so bad that it will make him be the first to do this, but I don't know man -- he's only 5'7. I think he can make the weight if he really wants, and I think he will make FW again. Ilia talks A LOT, and until he drops that FW belt, I'm going to continue believing that this is all talk.
Nope can't recall. I have a hard time believing this too. It's not like when Jon vacated. Ilia just won the belt. I chalk it up to him just keeping his name in the news at the moment.

The weight cut thing could be real though. He was gonna fight Charles Jordain in 2022 but had to pull out because of a weight cut issue.

Historically the UFC hates when the champion vacates unless there's a legit reason. Let's see what happens. Can't imagine Dana liking this shit as he'll get asked about on the next media appearance.
 
i think it's dumb to vacate your title to not fight for another belt. this could come back to bite him in the ass. he fights Oliveira and Oliveira makes it very difficult for him he's basically in no man's land after that. no way he'll feel confident to fight Islam if Oliveira gave him trouble and no going back to FW after you just vacated the title.

the only way this is a smart move is if he smokes Oliveira and then smokes Islam. any difficulties happen in between now and then and he's going to lose out on tons of money, especially if UFC makes a FW title fight between Evloev and Lopes and then whoever wins starts playing hardball on giving Topuria title shot if he wants to go back down.

also, if he's going to LW, he should stay there. going up and down in weight is not good for fighters.
Worked for some fighters like Couture and Franklin but yeah, it's not adviceable.
 
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