If USADA was implemented in these sports - which does the worst?

[capnlarge]

IMO the amount of PEDs in a sport is directly proportional to how much money is at stake.

If there are millions of dollars in the balance, the temptation to get a boost is much greater.

So: Boxing >wrestling (scholarships, Olympics, MMA and Pro Wrestling career paths)>BJJ (MMA career path only)

 

[FKAri]

The rampant use of PED is BJJ's worst kept secret.

Are these guys even training for functionality or are they just following bodybuilding routines for the hell of it? Because these pics are ridiculous.

 

[skylolow]

People are underestimating how rampant PED use is in BJJ. By all rights, every sport likely gets castrated, but I know first-hand that BJJ players are typically stacking the shit out of some shit.

A lot of truth right here.

General public in countries like Brazil look at PED's a lot differently than the US does that is for sure.

 

[kingghidrah]

DISCLAIMER: PED users still have to work just as hard if not harder (that's kind of the point of steroids... they help you tolerate more stress and recover faster)

That's such a big myth. Steroids don't just "help you recover" so you can "work harder" and the roiders are the hardest workers. LOL

Steroids are anabolic. They built muscle. The extra muscle you see is not because they "worked harder" it's because they took steroids.

In fact, steroids build muscle even if you sit on your ass and do nothing. Yes, it's true, despite what "knowledgeable" people always say that "you have to work HARDER when you're on roids" that's just not true. Your work is much, much easier. Obviously you make far bigger gains if you work hard, but there's an anabolic effect even if you don't. When you're on steroids you can take it easy on your workouts and still gain more muscle than hard workers who didn't roid.

And the gains remain, even after you quit. They diminish like all other gains but you are left stronger than you were before taking roids.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

DISCLAIMER: PED users still have to work just as hard if not harder (that's kind of the point of steroids... they help you tolerate more stress and recover faster) and also these guys are in the 1% of 1% of genetics (most of the world could take the same PEDs and more + do their exact training regimen and still not get even close to their physique or performance)
Just cause you pass a drug test doesn't mean you're clean (USADA is woefully incompetent as well). I would say that 1. BJJ, because their blatant PED use is straight up arrogant so they're not even trying to hide it, 2 and 3 are the same for me. PED use is just as rampant in Boxing and Wrestling, but at least they don't do it to the level of looking like they were made in a lab like the pictures above my post.

Just practice and train hard and you'll look like that, noooo problem.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

If these sports started implementing USADA and a strict testing regime with random midnight visits, etc., rank these sports from worst to best. Worst meaning that the sport has a ton of people testing positive

BJJ
Boxing
Wrestling (College/Olympic)

Um, its already used for Americans on Olympic boxing and wrestling teams.

 

[svmVR2097]

which substances are they stricter on? what is the difference between vada prohibited substance list and wada?

usada publishes all the stats for their tests. they produce a detailed annual report. vada publishes none. vada isn't anything. they use wada labs, just like usada.

you're sold on a false narrative.

for one, Oxilofrine. Under USADA testing and program and WADA's guidelines, that's only banned in-competition, under VADA it's banned at all times, of course unless disclosed beforehand and a TUE is given. Billy Joe Saunders is a classic case of this.

Also, they arent WADA's labs, they are just accredited by them and no shit you'd assume they'd all use the same labs that specialize in this.

 

[wwkirk]

Um, its already used for Americans on Olympic boxing and wrestling teams.

The Olympics don't prohibit steroids anymore?

 

[kflo]

for one, Oxilofrine. Under USADA testing and program and WADA's guidelines, that's only banned in-competition, under VADA it's banned at all times, of course unless disclosed beforehand and a TUE is given. Billy Joe Saunders is a classic case of this.

Also, they arent WADA's labs, they are just accredited by them and no shit you'd assume they'd all use the same labs that specialize in this.

so the big advantage of vada, even though again they publish no stats, is that oxilofrine isn't prohibited out of competition? and yes, i meant wada accredited, the same labs.

and boxers aren't subject to vada year-round, and vada doesn't oversee boxing. they enroll for certain fights. and then they complete their enrollment. vada welcomed back terrence crawford to their progam on october 22 for his fight on nov 14. they welcomed ggg on dec 3rd for his fight on dec 18th.......

again, the idea that boxing has better testing than the ufc because of vada is not a serious comment.

 

[svmVR2097]

so the big advantage of vada, even though again they publish no stats, is that oxilofrine isn't prohibited out of competition? and yes, i meant wada accredited, the same labs.

and boxers aren't subject to vada year-round, and vada doesn't oversee boxing. they enroll for certain fights. and then they complete their enrollment. vada welcomed back terrence crawford to their progam on october 22 for his fight on nov 14. they welcomed ggg on dec 3rd for his fight on dec 18th.......

again, the idea that boxing has better testing than the ufc because of vada is not a serious comment.

They are subject to year round if they want to fight for a WBC title as you’re required to be in the clean boxing program.

 

[kflo]

They are subject to year round if they want to fight for a WBC title as you’re required to be in the clean boxing program.

how many tests do they do per year?

and again, some of the biggest stars aren't in the program. like the 2 i mentioned. or manny. or floyd. or joshua.

loma is ranked. the vada website though congratulated him for again successfully completing VADA (which seems odd):
https://vada-testing.org/2020/11/07/vasyl-lomachenko-2/

 

[svmVR2097]

how many tests do they do per year?

and again, some of the biggest stars aren't in the program. like the 2 i mentioned. or manny. or floyd. or joshua.

loma is ranked. the vada website though congratulated him for again successfully completing VADA (which seems odd):
https://vada-testing.org/2020/11/07/vasyl-lomachenko-2/

Why does it seem odd? They congratulate everyone that goes through the program. The WBC clean program uses VADA and Loma was just in it for the Lopez fight.

Canelo is in it, Lopez, GGG, Spence, pretty much every major star. Fury, Wilder. Inoue. Joshua is tested by VADA just isn’t in the WBC program(why would he pay for sanctioning fees for a title he can’t fight for yet it maybe anytime soon?),

 

[kflo]

Why does it seem odd? They congratulate everyone that goes through the program. The WBC clean program uses VADA and Loma was just in it for the Lopez fight.

Canelo is in it, Lopez, GGG, Spence, pretty much every major star. Fury, Wilder. Inoue. Joshua is tested by VADA just isn’t in the WBC program(why would he pay for sanctioning fees for a title he can’t fight for yet it maybe anytime soon?),

i said it's odd because if he's in the clean program then it's not something you "complete". he's now ranked by the wbc which implies he must still be in the program. again, they welcomed ggg BACK to the program on dec 3 for his dec 18 fight. lopez was welcomed to the program on sept 5 for his oct 17 fight with loma.

and again, they don't report anything on the testing.

i would think it's clear the ufc program is more reliable and robust than boxing overall, including the wbc.

 

[Reaper_mma_MKII]

I don't, I feel like they'd all implode from all the busts but I have to say the one I think people will be most surprised by is BJJ, from my experience being in these gyms for so many years it seems people generally think bjj practitioners don't use PEDs, imo they have the worst case of users but are just not widely known and of course no USADA (though I ain't gonna pretend like USADA is perfect either.)

 

[svmVR2097]

i said it's odd because if he's in the clean program then it's not something you "complete". he's now ranked by the wbc which implies he must still be in the program. again, they welcomed ggg BACK to the program on dec 3 for his dec 18 fight. lopez was welcomed to the program on sept 5 for his oct 17 fight with loma.

and again, they don't report anything on the testing.

i would think it's clear the ufc program is more reliable and robust than boxing overall, including the wbc.

You complete a fight specific one, you’re randomly tested throughout the year and then you’re tested randomly under higher scrutiny while in a fight camp, which includes tests before and after the fight, which other than the timing that specific part isn’t random but at least it’s blood testing instead of Just athletic commission urine testing.

I wouldn’t think the UFC’s program is more robust at all. It’s bullshit for the most part and actually probably violated the law when they initially implemented it. Because they forced it upon independent contractors who already had contracts that didn’t include drug testing, likely thus treating them as employees and not contractors. Just no one has the power or money to challenge the UFC in court without risking their future financial security

 

[kflo]

You complete a fight specific one, you’re randomly tested throughout the year and then you’re tested randomly under higher scrutiny while in a fight camp, which includes tests before and after the fight, which other than the timing that specific part isn’t random but at least it’s blood testing instead of Just athletic commission urine testing.

I wouldn’t think the UFC’s program is more robust at all. It’s bullshit for the most part and actually probably violated the law when they initially implemented it. Because they forced it upon independent contractors who already had contracts that didn’t include drug testing, likely thus treating them as employees and not contractors. Just no one has the power or money to challenge the UFC in court without risking their future financial security

how is it bullshit for the most part? (your view of the legality of it notwithstanding)..

and again, lopez ENTERED the program a month before the fight. ggg ENTERED the program a 2 weeks before his fight. as reported by vada.

and again, i'm not sure how you are determining "higher scrutiny" when they don't release any figures on testing.

yes, it's better than just AC testing. and they mimic wada / usada. but they don't report any figures and they report fighters entering the program within weeks of a fight.

 

[Haliacmon]

as far as I have seen in competition and gyms I´ve been training, the BJJ and wrestling guys use lots of banned substances, some look literally like bulls
Muay thai and boxers I´ve never seen any, though they might cheat as well

 

[The Finnish Flash]

That's such a big myth. Steroids don't just "help you recover" so you can "work harder" and the roiders are the hardest workers. LOL

Steroids are anabolic. They built muscle. The extra muscle you see is not because they "worked harder" it's because they took steroids.

In fact, steroids build muscle even if you sit on your ass and do nothing. Yes, it's true, despite what "knowledgeable" people always say that "you have to work HARDER when you're on roids" that's just not true. Your work is much, much easier. Obviously you make far bigger gains if you work hard, but there's an anabolic effect even if you don't. When you're on steroids you can take it easy on your workouts and still gain more muscle than hard workers who didn't roid.

And the gains remain, even after you quit. They diminish like all other gains but you are left stronger than you were before taking roids.

I am well aware of what you're saying. However, you could argue that you can "work harder" (if you mean by capacity to continuously stress your body to adapt), BECAUSE you recover faster. You certainly don't have to work harder on roids to achieve the same gains as if you were not on roids, but you have the "capacity to work harder" meaning you can achieve greater gains (duh the point of steroids). My point is that the guys in those pictures didn't sit on their ass and just take steroids so that they could achieve the same physique they would if they worked out and weren't on roids. They clearly went above and beyond to push themselves to the limits of what steroids can provide, which is "hard" whether you want to admit it or not. Pushing your body to it's physiological limit (higher on steroids obviously) is incredibly taxing mentally and physically and you want to quit the entire time you're doing it. Just because the person's limit is higher due to taking steroids doesn't mean it's physically easier. By the way, I think it's incredibly disingenuous to claim being natural when you're clearly roiding, so I wasn't excusing their actions lol.

 

[The Finnish Flash]

have to run circles to try to justify PED use

When did I "justify" PED use? I was clarifying my point that just because these guys are juiced to the gills doesn't mean they slack off and inject themselves like other people clearly think. I think it's very fucked up to be a hypocrite and claim natural when they're clearly not.

 

[The Finnish Flash]

Just practice and train hard and you'll look like that, noooo problem.

Lmao that sounds like a direct quote from the "Gymshark influencers"