If top boxers learned TDD like Adesanya and Cro Cop. How will they fare in MMA?

[FIghtxIQ]

Ever heard of leg kicks?

Nah, boxing is a bad base for MMA. There's a reason there are very little amateur boxers to transition into MMA.

The amateur boxers that didn't go pro and switched to mma have a clear striking advantage over most mma fighters they fight. To think boxing isn't a good base for mma when every single mma fighter has to train boxing lol. You don't see many boxing base mma fighters because the boxers that were good enough to go pro in boxing is doing boxing and not mma. Boxing is the highest paying combat sport, the ones good enough to make boxing money is doing boxing and not mma. That's why you don't see the elite level boxers in mma. There's a lot of amateur boxers that are doing well in mma and a lot of them became UFC champions. That's amateur boxers, imagine what elite level boxers can do with the same amount of cross training.

 

[Midget Boxer]

Would slip and weave right into heavy kicks. Also wouldn't be able to shell up like they're used to due to the small MMA gloves. Overall, the vast majority would not do well.

If they adjust properly then yes

 

[T.J.T]

if cats learn to fly would they be good at migration?

The reason top boxes are top is because their complete game is tailored for that. Once you make a top boxer have good tdd defense they wont be a top boxer anymore because different footwork, distance, timing are all needed. They couldnt still be very successful but you cant take floyd, teach him a good sprawl and then expect he does well, the games too evolved for that, dirty boxing, mt, kicks would eat him up like we have seen time and time again.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Typical boxer stance is easy pickings for a wrestler. Therefore, they would need to relearn how to throw their punches in a new stance. Not necessarily would translate well. I think that is part of the probably with MMA guys moving to boxing. They are used to being squared up to avoid a takedown, but that leaves them vulnerable in a pure boxing match. It is a different game

Depends on the boxing stance, not all boxing stances is upright. Slick style boxers would do well. If muay thai base mma fighters can adjust their stance for wrestlers, so can boxers. A lot of amateur boxers are already in mma and became UFC champions. That proves it's possible with just amateur boxing level. So there's already data to go on, and is isn't just speculation. If elite level boxers spent the same amount of cross training, they most likely would be champions in mma as well. A lot of boxers have wrestling/grappling backgrounds and also other martial arts striking backgrounds, they just focused on boxing because of the money and they were good enough to pursue a pro boxing career.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

So where are all the Conor copycats boxing their way to 100s of millions of dollars? Boxing pay is shit outside of the top level.We should see a flow of failed boxers transitioning to MMA, but it never happens. Because boxing is absolute shit as a base for MMA and has nothing to do with real fighting.

Boxing pays more than mma across the board. Their top 10s get paid more than most UFC champions. The myth of only the very top boxing champions make money is false. The triller fight cards showed that to the mma community when they saw how much boxers were getting paid who weren't even champions.

 

[avenue94]

Would slip and weave right into heavy kicks. Also wouldn't be able to shell up like they're used to due to the small MMA gloves. Overall, the vast majority would not do well.

Are you really arguing that moving your head in mma is impractical and a bad idea? You do realize that boxing also has strikes that punish slips and weaves, not to mention most mma fighters don't throw headkicks with any frequency.

You sound like you've never watched Jose Aldo, the greatest defensive fighter mma has ever seen, clown opponents with basic boxing fundamentals.

Serious question, do you actually watch any boxing? Because your comments scream you don't.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

I would have loved to have seen Golovkin after some MMA training. That guy is a terminator.

 

[smiles mma]

At heavy they could be champ. 80% of the fights are boxing with small gloves.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Not far if the kept the bladed stance that is begging to get leg kicked or snatched on a TD attempt

 

[Dr. Rose]

Depends on the boxing stance, not all boxing stances is upright. Slick style boxers would do well. If muay thai base mma fighters can adjust their stance for wrestlers, so can boxers. A lot of amateur boxers are already in mma and became UFC champions. That proves it's possible with just amateur boxing level. So there's already data to go on, and is isn't just speculation. If elite level boxers spent the same amount of cross training, they most likely would be champions in mma as well. A lot of boxers have wrestling/grappling backgrounds and also other martial arts striking backgrounds, they just focused on boxing because of the money and they were good enough to pursue a pro boxing career.

Muay Thai is closer to a typical "standing square" MMA stance. And the reason amateur boxers have made it into MMA is partly the time. They started to cross train much younger than an elite pro boxer would. It hard to train to be the best in multiple sports simultaneously. But I do think you have a really strong point with boxers that move a lot having a better chance. Cheers!

 

[chiefwiggum]

Ever heard of leg kicks?

Nah, boxing is a bad base for MMA. There's a reason there are very little amateur boxers to transition into MMA.

what are you talking about ? You could say that about almost every martial art. wrestling bjj you don’t get hit at all. And you bring up leg kicks?

 

[chiefwiggum]

Muay Thai is closer to a typical "standing square" MMA stance. And the reason amateur boxers have made it into MMA is partly the time. They started to cross train much younger than an elite pro boxer would. It hard to train to be the best in multiple sports simultaneously. But I do think you have a really strong point with boxers that move a lot having a better chance. Cheers!

wlite pro boxers out on a pair of gloves at like 6

 

[Dr. Rose]

Which is why Conor managed to blaze a way to the title largely based off one of the most fundamental moves in boxing, the pull counter. Yup, checks out your logic.

And why would amateur boxers transition to mma when they can retire and work a normal steady job or make their fortune in actual boxing?

It was also HW, which takes some of the shine off. Although JDS pretty much won using only a rudimentary job.

What's a typical boxer stance? There isn't one.

Here is a very common boxing stance, especially when boxers get tired. Maybe I should say old-school stance.

 

[Y2Khaos]

Boxers do ok in MMA but mixed martial artist do better when they box.

List of Boxers Who Have Fought in MMA and Mixed Martial Artists Who Have Boxed

 

[avenue94]

Here is a very common boxing stance, especially when boxers get tired. Maybe I should say old-school stance.

You mean Hopkins or DLH? Because DLH is in a good stance to defend takedowns, weight back, ready to sprawl.

There isn't one typical or even common boxing stance. There is incredible variety there and pretending otherwise is silly.

 

[M.U.S.C.L.E.]

This is so silly. Max Holloway is boxing with TDD. You have your answer right there. Ngannou.
I could go on all day.

 

[Phill]

Are you really arguing that moving your head in mma is impractical and a bad idea? You do realize that boxing also has strikes that punish slips and weaves, not to mention most mma fighters don't throw headkicks with any frequency.

You sound like you've never watched Jose Aldo, the greatest defensive fighter mma has ever seen, clown opponents with basic boxing fundamentals.

Serious question, do you actually watch any boxing? Because your comments scream you don't.

1. Never said that, or even implied it. Straw-man argument.
2. Moot point. Think about where you end up when you weave and slip. If it's a head kick that's thrown, it would miss anyways...It's body kicks that they would slip and weave in to.
3. Aldo's stand up is more Muay Thai than it is boxing, it's an example that actually further validates my point.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Muay Thai is closer to a typical "standing square" MMA stance. And the reason amateur boxers have made it into MMA is partly the time. They started to cross train much younger than an elite pro boxer would. It hard to train to be the best in multiple sports simultaneously. But I do think you have a really strong point with boxers that move a lot having a better chance. Cheers!

Traditional muay thai stance is too upright and open to takedowns. That's the number one thing they have to adjust for mma. That's why the muay thai based mma fighters have a different stance compared to traditional muay thai stance. They aren't doing the front leg tap like they do in traditional muay thai.

Also I do agree the time is needed for the cross training, but that's for all styles not just boxing base. Even grappling base fighters also need the cross training time with striking in order to find success in modern mma. Every base style going into mma needs a lot of time cross training for success in modern mma.

People just tend to single out boxing because of the boxing vs mma drama that's been on going since the start of mma. Boxing and MMA community has always been divided that's why boxing is treated differently even though it's also a martial art just like the other martial arts in mma.

 

[gspieler]

You know Roy Jones Jr respects the hands of Forrest Griffin.

 

[avenue94]

1. Never said that, or even implied it. Straw-man argument.

Slipping and weaving is literally most of head movement but ok.

2. Moot point. Think about where you end up when you weave and slip. If it's a head kick that's thrown, it would miss anyways...It's body kicks that they would slip and weave in to.

You end up out of the way of the strike most often and back to your base. Especially when it's done properly (aka from the hips and knees, not the back, so your eyes stay on your opponent). Aldo routinely uses slips, and Kyogi Horiguchi frequently uses weaves. I think you're way overestimating how easy it is to land a headkick, let alone on moving target. It's much easier to land punches at that point, yet you slipping and weaving is still a thing in boxing and most striking sports.

3. Aldo's stand up is more Muay Thai than it is boxing, it's an example that actually further validates my point.

It's definitely more boxing than muay thai. Hes' never fought in muay thai, and his best weapons are his jab, counterpunching and overall defensive acumen. He also trains with boxing teams, not a muay thai team. You'll notice his best performances are built off basic boxing, with leg kicks coming after sometimes.

Also you realize muay thai and boxing frequently overlap, as shown by the several muay thai folks who have become boxing champs?