If the President does it, it's not Illegal

[Joe]

 

[mixmastermo]

If I ran the DNC I'd be getting support and organizing a vote for impeachment proceedings RIGHT NOW.
Sure it might not work but it'll be a way to draw a line between candidates for the upcoming election.

This is a huge issue and Democrats should be focusing on it.

 

[drstrangelov]

He can say it all he wants, but the moment he tries to assert that power, it's either impeachment putting the brakes on him, or setting a precedent that will still be in place under President Michelle Obama in 2025. Theres no positive outcome here.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

The problem is that Trump's legal team is interpreting from the fact that the president can do things that would be beyond a normal citizens' ability regarding the law in the interest of national security or for the welfare of the nation. The odeus* on them now would be to prove how Trump's team coordinating with foreign powers during the election (I'm excluding Trump from this accusation because at this time we don't have definitive proof he did collude, we do have some circumstantial evidence but let's keep fair and not even think about it as Trump, think about it as just a government official) and how his behavior to impede and ostruct this investigation is paramount to national interest and security.

So for the tl/dr crowd; there are instances when the president can do things that would be illegal normally, but it has to be for national interest/security.

Now back to my own views- This should be interesting seeing the Trump supporters' mental gymnastics to prove and support that reasoning.

*onus

 

[SMillard]

I'd like to agree with Grassley but so far have not been able to find any precedence either way.

I will say one thing about Trump being president, it's been really good for testing the limits of our system of government.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

If I ran the DNC I'd be getting support and organizing a vote for impeachment proceedings RIGHT NOW.
Sure it might not work but it'll be a way to draw a line between candidates for the upcoming election.

This is a huge issue and Democrats should be focusing on it.

They are. Something like... a month ago? they introduced a bill of impeachment. I didn't bother looking into it beyond the headlines because at the time it seemed like Dems pissing into the wind.

 

[SMillard]

*onus

thanks, here I thought it was a completely cromulus statement.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

thanks, here I thought it was a completely cromulus* statement.

*cromulent

 

[luckyshot]

Chuck Grassley, dirty lying Nancy Pelosi San Francisco George Soros globalist!

Oh, that's right, he's an 84 year old Republican from Iowa...

 

[SMillard]

*cromulent

Today's just not my day

 

[mixmastermo]

They are. Something like... a month ago? they introduced a bill of impeachment. I didn't bother looking into it beyond the headlines because at the time it seemed like Dems pissing into the wind.

Yea, timing is everything and I'm saying there is no better time than now to pull this type of stunt.

Draw a line between candidates: this candidate chose to act when our democracy was being threatened, this candidate did nothing. Whose side are you on???

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Today's just not my day

Make way for Willie!!

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Is there a crime?

We kind of have to wait for the findings.
You know, like people do who aren't Robert Mueller.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

What amazes me most about all of this...

We've gone from no meetings with Russians
It's no wrong
If it was wrong it's not illegal
If it was illegal it doesn't matter because I'm above the law

Seriously think about that those who are defending tRUmp . TRUmp outright lied to you (regarding the meeting at tRUmp tower specifically) and yet you give zero fucks and will follow him off of a cliff . Step back and look at the ridiculousness of it. Your dear potus lied to you outright and then says he's above the law .How the fuck can you rationalize supporting someone who says they're above the law . From the party of personal accountability those two things seem incompatible

 

[Andy Capp]

The effort you put into sounding stupid is kind of admirable. But solid argument; “water isn’t wet cause I said so, lalalalala”. Very well thought out.



Where? Can you link me so I can make fun of you some more for being a submissive bitch in another thread?



Still waiting for you to cite the rule of law that absolves a president of any possible criminality. This whole “well it hasn’t happened so it must be true” is the same argument I can use to claim I’m above the law. So are you saying I’m above the law too simply because there’s no precedent of prosecuting me for crimes?

Because even Scyther brought more to the table than that little fella. Try harder.



Done: there’s literally nothing in the constitution that says the president can’t be held responsible for wrong doing. It specifically states no one is above the rule of law. And the OP is citing nothing more than Trump’s desperate interpretation of the constitution, not an actual fact contained within it.

So to summarize: you’re completely fucking wrong on every point you’ve made, and now we’re all gonna laugh at you.

Ha, ha.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I'm waiting for mass outrage from the bots.

I separate them from Republicans and Trump voters;
Voting for Trump because you legitimately thought he was a better choice than Clinton- with an open mind and not team mentality- is no issue to me. You thought avoiding Hillary was in the best interests of the country. I wasn't crazy about her myself and voted against Trump vigorously.

But those who are turning a blind eye, congratulations on your transparent hypocrisy. You helped vote a self-styled king into power. For this you will get no absolution from me, knowing you won't seek it from anyone. A man who has bought himself out of trouble all his life has been given the power to exonerate himself and you handed it to him. Should he do so, every president going forward will enjoy that power. Some will have policies you detest. What will you do, now and for the future?

I think that soon, the GOP will be taking a long hard look at the values they want to represent. I hope they do the right thing, because that at least is becoming more clear by the day.

 

[Drenalin]

Like how looking at your post history you were clearly rustled by Obama?

People are obsessed for two reasons

1) tRUmp gives credibility to certain extremist positions

2) the fucking potus is testing waters of what he can get away with and how much power he wields . Whether you want to admit it or not, tRUmp is testing the strength of our core checks and balances

Here's a hint potus isn't above law or other branches of government. If he/she does think of him/herself as above others that's a threat to every American

How was i rustled by Obama? I think you’re confused.

Not sure what you're referring to, but I’m guessing it’s when our liberal sherdoggers were accusing Trump of “invading” Syria. So I got them to admit Obama did that first lol

 

[zebby23]

Still right here. Obama has still been unanimously voted down more than any other president for attempted overreach. Are you opposed to the constitution?

Nobody can really answer whether a sitting president can be indicted. I don't believe so, but nothing Trump has done is worthy of an indictment, or even an impeachment.

lol

 

[bobgeese]

Yea, timing is everything and I'm saying there is no better time than now to pull this type of stunt.

Draw a line between candidates: this candidate chose to act when our democracy was being threatened, this candidate did nothing. Whose side are you on???

<{cruzshake}>


Have you noticed how you haven’t seen the big fish in the democrat party call for impeachment?

That’s because there is nothing to impeach Trump over.

They understand that would set a terrible precedent where we start impeachment every time a party has the votes. They’re not going to do that. The ones calling for it are simply riling up the idiots so they go to the polls.

Glad I could educate you on how politics works.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

<{cruzshake}>


Have you noticed how you haven’t seen the big fish in the democrat party call for impeachment?

That’s because there is nothing to impeach Trump over.

They understand that would set a terrible precedent where we start impeachment every time a party has the votes. They’re not going to do that. The ones calling for it are simply riling up the idiots so they go to the polls.

Glad I could educate you on how politics works.

Actually I think dem leadership is hesitant to do anything for 2 reasons

1) they're actually waiting for Mueller to finish (which no matter Mueller's report that's the proper outcome)

2) Being early to announce without Mueller's report will rile tRUmp's base (hell even if Mueller's report is damning it'll still likely rile his base up, why do you think tRUmp has been calling it a witch hunt and undermining the SC the entire time)