If the President does it, it's not Illegal

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He's thinks he's a king.
Trumpbots, how can you defend this?
If this were Obama I'd be outraged and starting a thread about it alongside the twenty threads you'd have started.

 

[Joe]

huh

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

except for the whole Constitution thing

You mean that thing he applies selectively?
That he clearly doesn't comprehend?

 

[Headkicktoleg]

You mean that thing he applies selectively?
That he clearly doesn't comprehend?

The Constitution still applies whether he understands it or not. America won't let him become a dictator.

 

[mixmastermo]

huh

What a time to be alive....

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I feel like I'm living in a nightmare. The president is clearly test marketing the idea of taking action to absolve himself... even though there was NO COLLUSION!

It's depressing to think Americans might let it happen.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

The Constitution still applies whether he understands it or not. America won't let him become a dictator.

I hope not but look where we are.
I've only seen this once before. I was three when it happened.

 

[Drenalin]

Why exactly should anyone with a life care about any of this? Does any of this actually matter? Or do people lead themselves to believe this matters because they don’t like Trump?

On a side note, I don’t understand why people are so obsessed with Trump. It’s like he controls their lives & the way they think. I mean I get he’s your leader, but still.

 

[JuniorSonGoku]

So basically 75 percent of this forum is conservative and 25 percent is liberal...

People really seem to struggle with doing the right thing when it goes against their party.

 

[HereticBD]

So basically 75 percent of this forum is conservative and 25 percent is liberal...

People really seem to struggle with doing the right thing when it goes against their party.

The poll is a trap.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

So basically 75 percent of this forum is conservative and 25 percent is liberal...

People really seem to struggle with doing the right thing when it goes against their party.

I think it's a badly worded poll. I read it as can the president be guilty of obstructing justice and voted yes. You obviously read it can the president obstruct justice if he wants with no repercussion.

 

[Damien Karras]

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Why exactly should anyone with a life care about any of this? Does any of this actually matter? Or do people lead themselves to believe this matters because they don’t like Trump?

On a side note, I don’t understand why people are so obsessed with Trump. It’s like he controls their lives & the way they think. I mean I get he’s your leader, but still.

Why vote in the first place, amirite??

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Why exactly should anyone with a life care about any of this? Does any of this actually matter? Or do people lead themselves to believe this matters because they don’t like Trump?
On a side note, I don’t understand why people are so obsessed with Trump.
It’s like he controls their lives & the way they think. I mean I get he’s your leader, but still.

Like how looking at your post history you were clearly rustled by Obama?

People are obsessed for two reasons

1) tRUmp gives credibility to certain extremist positions

2) the fucking potus is testing waters of what he can get away with and how much power he wields . Whether you want to admit it or not, tRUmp is testing the strength of our core checks and balances

Here's a hint potus isn't above law or other branches of government. If he/she does think of him/herself as above others that's a threat to every American

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

So basically 75 percent of this forum is conservative and 25 percent is liberal...

People really seem to struggle with doing the right thing when it goes against their party.

Haven't looked but I'll bet there are some Trump voters who are not okay with this.
At the least because they know it sets up any future POTUS to absolve themselves.

 

[luckyshot]

Lovely. Democracy, it was nice knowing you. Trump 2024, here we come.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I think it's a badly worded poll. I read it as can the president be guilty of obstructing justice and voted yes. You obviously read it can the president obstruct justice if he wants with no repercussion.

Page one discussion

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Lovely. Democracy, it was nice knowing you. Trump 2024, here we come.


Then how, why, and under what justification was Bill Clinton impeached in the House?

Hmm?

He took blowjobs instead of cigars for a land deal, I think.
Or maybe it was a cigar deal for a landjob. Or something

 

[HereticBD]

Then how, why, and under what justification was Bill Clinton impeached in the House?

Hmm?

I didn't say he wasn't subject to impeachment. Shit, I wish the only thing I had to worry about if I committed a crime, was a board review and possibly losing my job.

I'm talking basic consequences for criminality. Indictments. convictions, prison time. These are things a sitting President does not have to worry about. Now, they can attempt to do something after he's removed, but after what happened to Nixon, I think we all know how that shit goes. They aren't going to set a precedent by going after a ex-President, because they're all a bunch of crooks, and they know that they could be in the hot seat one day.

 

[SMillard]

The problem is that Trump's legal team is interpreting from the fact that the president can do things that would be beyond a normal citizens' ability regarding the law in the interest of national security or for the welfare of the nation. The onus on them now would be to prove how Trump's team coordinating with foreign powers during the election (I'm excluding Trump from this accusation because at this time we don't have definitive proof he did collude, we do have some circumstantial evidence but let's keep fair and not even think about it as Trump, think about it as just a government official) and how his behavior to impede and ostruct this investigation is paramount to national interest and security.

So for the tl/dr crowd; there are instances when the president can do things that would be illegal normally, but it has to be for national interest/security.

Now back to my own views- This should be interesting seeing the Trump supporters' mental gymnastics to prove and support that reasoning.

 

[SMillard]

Well, not in a crazy dictator way, but in a general sense, yes. The President is above the law. He couldn't get away with flat out one on one murder(untested waters though), but he can get away with a lot of shit.

Not just the President either. The whole goddamn government is above the law, and can get away with shit that the common person could not. This really should not be some shocking revelation. They run shit. They're not playing by the same rules, and they never were.

At the very worst, even if Trump committed everything you think he did, that would land others in prison for years and years, what do you think will happen? Prison? LOL. At worst, he'll have the equivalent of a fucking job review, and the office will decide if he gets to keep it or not. Whoa, harsh stuff. It's good to know that The President is not above the law.

To some degree you are right, in fact to a large degree you are right. The only caveat is that their actions have to be in the national interest or security. If it's a matter for personal gain or anything that is not decreed as a requirement to saving the nation than I don't think so. Now there is a lot of mental gymnastics that could be done to prove a lot of shit as being "in the national interest", this current situation is kind of difficult, but I'm sure smarter people that me will come up with something. Who knows, maybe the whole "deep state' thing is the crux to it all, they may try to prove that this is all in an attempt to uncover all those "evil doers" in the DOJ. That's the only thing I can see that might be used, but who knows. Trump and his team have no problem throwing shit against a wall to see what sticks and their base has no problem forgetting about the stuff that didn't stick.