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If the President does it, it's not Illegal

Can the President Obstruct Justice?

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Dan Rather said:
We are a nation of laws and not of kings. Our stated creed is that we are equal before the law, all of us. Of course we fall far short of that ideal in many ways. It's usually the poor, the marginalized, and dispossessed who suffer the greatest injustices. But even the most cynical of plutocrats in our nation's history have at least largely paid lip service to this idea.

That is what makes the release of Donald Trump's legal rationalizations so chilling. To be blunt, they are un-American. They betray a complete disconnect from our constitutional government, and thus are themselves an act of betrayal.

I know that there is much being written about the silence from most members of the GOP to this latest outrage. Indeed, it is an outrage in some ways that encompasses all the others - for there, in black and white, is an outline of a monarchy and not a republic. But my inner compass suggests that while we have not seen a backlash from many Trump voters and Republican officials, yet, this is going too far, far too far, for most Americans. And that pressure cannot be checked forever, at the ballot box or in the streets.

Trump is benefiting from a roaring economy (thanks in no small part to what was bestowed by his predecessor). It is summer and families are busy planning trips and taking in ballgames or a day at the beach. It is easy to be distracted or preoccupied with the necessities of everyday life. But in the end, I think that the recklessness of a man who seeks only personal power and self aggrandizement - whose personal and professional failings have already spurred the largest resistance movement I have seen in decades - will wear thin even with many who may have voted for him.

Frankly, this is not what Trump promised on the campaign trail. Amidst the racist dog whistles and the crude rhetoric was a promise that he would be a pragmatic politician looking out for the little guy. What we have now is a man who would be king. And the institutions of our government, our courts, our system of states, our free press, and our voters, are not going to abide by it. Our Founding Fathers feared such a man. They knew the tyranny of kings, and chose to rebel. So they set out to establish a republic built to make sure it would never happen on our shores.

These are the stakes. And I sense there is a lot of fight out there amongst a populace intent on making sure that we remain a nation of laws.
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Seano said:
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I wanna thank you for posting this right after my post. Highlights the disconnect from reality so perfectly. Thank you.

I think we should routinely bump this to remind people our President stands in direct contrast to the ideas that formed the foundation of our country.

The guy is literally suggesting he's above the law of our country, and any American who knows why the 2nd amendment exists should be fucking outraged.

Any 2nd supporter who agrees with Trump on this should get the fuck out of my country, because you're not an American.
 
spin_ said:
It sources the Times article, which also has sources for all points of contention.

But you didn't read, did you
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NYT may be worse

But you linked a CNN article

The left literally has noting to say except, I HATE TRUMP! Which isn't an argument, it's barely a statement
 
BrotherClaudio said:
NYT may be worse

But you linked a CNN article

The left literally has noting to say except, I HATE TRUMP! Which isn't an argument, it's barely a statement
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Yeah, you didn't read.




You don't know what's happening. You saw Trump, and ran in firing in the dark, and hit nothing.

Now head on back to the kiddie table where you belong
 
I'm surprised the numerous 2nd Amendment supporters aren't in here up in arms over the president clearly not supporting the 2nd Amendment.

According to him, you have the right to bear arms, only if he wants you to. Is there a reason this doesn't upset 2nd Amendment supporters? I wanna make another thread asking for their opinions on this but thread would essentially be this letter with a slightly different OP, so I'm doubting it won't get moved or trashed.

@Farmer Br0wn you support the 2nd Amendment right? Thoughts on the president announcing he doesn't?
 
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According to Guilliani, Trump could have shot Comey and still not be prosecuted.

Rudy may need to ween off the sauce.
 
who actually believes the president has the right to pardon himself?
 
Limbo Pete said:
He obviously didnt read the secret clause in the Constitution that says Presidents can literally do whatever they want
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According to that rationale, at the end of Trump's term he could just say "nah, I think I'll stay". This is the kind of idiocy being implied here.

I mean, if he's above the law, what's stopping him from dissolving Congress?
 
MiniCraque said:
According to that rationale, at the end of Trump's term he could just say "nah, I think I'll stay". This is the kind of idiocy being implied here.

I mean, if he's above the law, what's stopping him from dissolving Congress?
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“The President is supreme LEO as well as supreme CIC of the military so he can deputize the military and order them to arrest Congress on treason charges since they’re calling for impeachment and must therefore be colluding with Russians. It’s all right there in the Constitution.”
 
btw is there a way to change my vote? The question confused me, I answered very quickly thinking "who would be stupid enough to think otherwise" and now I get to see my screen name coupled with the who's who of Sherdog shitposting.
 
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