If the President does it, it's not Illegal

[HereticBD]

If this is what you believe, why are you OK with it?

Why are you? The only time people pretend to give a shit, is when someone they hate is the subject. I don't see you stamping your feet over Hillary Clinton's mishandling of classified information. Which is a crime she committed BTW, and was proven.

What's a felony for some, is simple "irresponsibility" for others.

Specifically with The President though, Trump or otherwise, it's far more complicated. He has tremendous power, and at the very least, undefined leeway. He can overrule the law, and in cases where it seems he can't, it's shades of grey. As far as I can tell, there's no definite answers anywhere. I mean, it's pretty bad when nobody really knows if the President has the power to pardon himself or not. The answer should be "absolutely not", and not "Uhhh, we really don't know."

 

[HomerThompson]

Why are you? The only time people pretend to give a shit, is when someone they hate is the subject. I don't see you stamping your feet over Hillary Clinton's mishandling of classified information. Which is a crime she committed BTW, and was proven.

What's a felony for some, is simple "irresponsibility" for others.

Specifically with The President though, Trump or otherwise, it's far more complicated. He has tremendous power, and at the very least, undefined leeway. He can overrule the law, and in cases where it seems he can't, it's shades of grey. As far as I can tell, there's no definite answers anywhere. I mean, it's pretty bad when nobody really knows if the President has the power to pardon himself or not. The answer should be "absolutely not", and not "Uhhh, we really don't know."

So far we've done; both sides, all politicians are crooks, and now a direct "what about Hillary?". Jesus Christ with these shitty debate techniques.

I want to talk about the legal question. I understand that it's "technically" unsettled, but that's only because no one has ever betrayed the norms of our Republic to that degree. So far, as a nation, we've found a way to avoid authoritarianism that we can't recover from.

This is, and always has been, my primary concern with Trump. He has, is, and continues to display authoritarian behavior, sensibilities, and actions. It's extremely dangerous to my nation, and the world.

So, how can you support Trump?

Do you support authoritarianism as a system of governance?


Because that's what this show down between Mueller and Trump is. It's the difference between a Democratic Republic, and some form of dictatorship. All the people dragging us there need to really take a look in the mirror, and a look at some fucking history books.

 

[nostradumbass]

What happened to all those Republicans who became over night libertarians and every other word out of their mouth was "the constitution" when obama became president?

Still right here. Obama has still been unanimously voted down more than any other president for attempted overreach. Are you opposed to the constitution?

Nobody can really answer whether a sitting president can be indicted. I don't believe so, but nothing Trump has done is worthy of an indictment, or even an impeachment.

 

[Fawlty]

Congress can in fact charge the President with crimes. This is a factually true statement that is indeed part of the reality that we live in, wherein true things are factual and occur.

Therefore, the President is not, in fact, above the law.

 

[Fawlty]

Thread poll is ambiguous. Could be interpreted as

"Is it permissible to do these acts if president" or "can a president be charged with these crimes?"

I like it. One of the best things in this world is knowing that there are people who regret their misunderstood karate forum poll choice, and are powerless to do anything about it.

 

[HomerThompson]

I like it. One of the best things in this world is knowing that there are people who regret their misunderstood karate forum poll choice, and are powerless to do anything about it.

 

[ocfightfan]

So far we've done; both sides, all politicians are crooks, and now a direct "what about Hillary?". Jesus Christ with these shitty debate techniques.

I want to talk about the legal question. I understand that it's "technically" unsettled, but that's only because no one has ever betrayed the norms of our Republic to that degree. So far, as a nation, we've found a way to avoid authoritarianism that we can't recover from.

This is, and always has been, my primary concern with Trump. He has, is, and continues to display authoritarian behavior, sensibilities, and actions. It's extremely dangerous to my nation, and the world.

So, how can you support Trump?

Do you support authoritarianism as a system of governance?


Because that's what this show down between Mueller and Trump is. It's the difference between a Democratic Republic, and some form of dictatorship. All the people dragging us there need to really take a look in the mirror, and a look at some fucking history books.

 

[HereticBD]

I want to talk about the legal question. I understand that it's "technically" unsettled, but that's only because no one has ever betrayed the norms of our Republic to that degree.

You want to talk about the "legal" question, but understand that it's unsettled. What's there to talk about then? It's unsettled.

So far, as a nation, we've found a way to avoid authoritarianism that we can't recover from.

Have you? I think you just really hate Trump. Other Presidents have gotten away with far worse than what Trump is accused of. I'd even go so far to say that the Presidents who were brought to task over their "crimes", like Nixon or Clinton, were trivial in comparison to the really bad shit others have gotten away with(at home, or abroad), without any real attention being paid to them at all.

This is, and always has been, my primary concern with Trump. He has, is, and continues to display authoritarian behavior, sensibilities, and actions. It's extremely dangerous to my nation, and the world.

Nah, you just hate Trump.

So, how can you support Trump?

Because he's doing good work. .

Do you support authoritarianism as a system of governance?

Let me know when the American government actually resembles your definition of that.

Because that's what this show down between Mueller and Trump is. It's the difference between a Democratic Republic, and some form of dictatorship. All the people dragging us there need to really take a look in the mirror, and a look at some fucking history books.

Right. Those honorable folks at the FBI, CIA, and Special Council will finally break the chains...

 

[Joe]

Still right here. Obama has still been unanimously voted down more than any other president for attempted overreach. Are you opposed to the constitution?

Nobody can really answer whether a sitting president can be indicted. I don't believe so, but nothing Trump has done is worthy of an indictment, or even an impeachment.

Actually trump has been slapped down by the courts for trying to over turn Obama era environmental policy so no. Obama's daca policy is still around after all these years of it being the worst thing ever and obvious over reach. So obvious the courts keep it up?

 

[Neph]

Let me know when the American government actually resembles your definition of that.

TRUMP MEETS EVERY CRITERIA FOR AN AUTHORITARIAN LEADER, HARVARD POLITICAL SCIENTISTS WARN

 

[HomerThompson]

You want to talk about the "legal" question, but understand that it's unsettled. What's there to talk about then? It's unsettled.



Have you? I think you just really hate Trump. Other Presidents have gotten away with far worse than what Trump is accused of. I'd even go so far to say that the Presidents who were brought to task over their "crimes", like Nixon or Clinton, were trivial in comparison to the really bad shit others have gotten away with(at home, or abroad), without any real attention being paid to them at all.



Nah, you just hate Trump.



Because he's doing good work. .



Let me know when the American government actually resembles your definition of that.



Right. Those honorable folks at the FBI, CIA, and Special Council will finally break the chains...

So, Trump has done nothing wrong, and every President is a criminal. That's your argument?

 

[HereticBD]

TRUMP MEETS EVERY CRITERIA FOR AN AUTHORITARIAN LEADER, HARVARD POLITICAL SCIENTISTS WARN

Good for them.

 

[XThe GreatestX]

what a strange thread

 

[Neph]

Good for them.

I mean you asked for when it resembles an authoritarian government and political scientists from Harvard say it does. Is that not credible enough for you? Would you accept anyone saying it is? Why did you even ask?

 

[nostradumbass]

Actually trump has been slapped down by the courts for trying to over turn Obama era environmental policy so no. Obama's daca policy is still around after all these years of it being the worst thing ever and obvious over reach. So obvious the courts keep it up?

Well yeah, Obama went 79-96 with the supreme court, and also lost the most unanimous decisions.

 

[Joe]

Well yeah, Obama went 79-96 with the supreme court, and also lost the most unanimous decisions.

So why are his policies still being help up by the courts if they are so bad?

 

[nostradumbass]

So why are his policies still being help up by the courts if they are so bad?

79+96 is 175. He lost most, so clearly they aren't upholding all is policies.

 

[HereticBD]

So, Trump has done nothing wrong

Nothing too offensive, no.

and every President is a criminal.

Technically? Yeah, probably. In fairness, I haven't looked into Chester A. Arthur all that much.

That's your argument?

What's yours, exactly? I see a bunch of buzzwords, and fantastical fear mongering.

Look, when the dust settles, and Trump's term, or terms come to an end, America and all it's basic freedoms for Americans, will be relatively unchanged. Sorry, but your dictator fantasies are just that. Fantasies. Believe me, you will survive.

 

[CutStryker]

Well, we all knew this was coming eventually. Apparently, it started before we even knew though. In January, Trump's team sent a letter to Mueller stating that it's impossible for the President to obstruct justice. This is completely ludicrous, and an affront to our Democracy.

Having said that, I look forward to the Trump Bots defending this incredible level of Executive overreach.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/02/politics/trump-special-counsel-memo-avoid-subpoena/index.html

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump's lawyers argued in a confidential January letter to special counsel Robert Mueller that the President cannot illegally obstruct the Russia probe because he, as the top law enforcement officer, has authority over all federal investigations, The New York Times reported Saturday.

The 20-page letter from Trump attorney Jay Sekulow and then-Trump lawyer John Dowd, which CNN reported on last week and the Times has obtained, says that Trump could not possibly have committed obstruction in the Russia investigation because the Constitution empowers him to "terminate the inquiry, or even exercise his power to pardon if he so desired."
Trump's "actions here, by virtue of his position as the chief law enforcement officer, could neither constitutionally nor legally constitute obstruction because that would amount to him obstructing himself," Dowd and Sekulow wrote.
The two argued that "no President has ever faced charges of obstruction merely for exercising his constitutional authority" and that a President can "order the termination" of a Justice Department or FBI investigation "at any time and for any reason."


Trump's lawyers sent the letter as part of a broader argument that the President should not have to sit down with the special counsel.
Citing records handed over to the special counsel and interviews Mueller's team has had with White House staff, Sekulow and Dowd wrote in the letter, "In light of these voluntary offerings, your office clearly lacks the requisite need to personally interview the President."

Call the Mark Levin show on Monday 3-6pm.

I dare you, let’s see if he shreds you

 

[Limbo Pete]

Congress can in fact charge the President with crimes. This is a factually true statement that is indeed part of the reality that we live in, wherein true things are factual and occur.

Therefore, the President is not, in fact, above the law.

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