If Stipe beats Jones, he is the HW GOAT without question.

Taric said:
By pure technicality.

Because most PRIDE HW fights didn't bother doing weigh-ins the fights were classified as open weight instead of HW, even if both the fighters would have weighed within the HW limit. As a result most of Fedor's fights as champion can't technically be classified as HW fights... and that goes for most PRIDE "HW" fights in general.

It's a pure technicality and a goofy argument. From 2003-2010 Fedor had 19 victories as the #1 ranked HW in the world. You can cut his wins as champion down to 1/3rd and he'd still have more wins as #1 than Stipe does.
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7 nontitle fights between Nog 1 and 2 including a winless fighter.


Stipe's last 8 fights featured the worlds 2 top HWs.

Fedor has at most 3 such fights his entire career
 
Silly. For all Jones’ accomplishments, he is a career LHW with one HW win. Beating him is a nice feather in the cap, but doesn’t do much to cement anyone as HW GOAT.

Fedor is the GOAT HW. It’s too late for Stipe to surpass him.
 
BFoe said:
Silly. For all Jones’ accomplishments, he is a career LHW with one HW win. Beating him is a nice feather in the cap, but doesn’t do much to cement anyone as HW GOAT.

Fedor is the GOAT HW. It’s too late for Stipe to surpass him.
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Jones is the current champ.

A win over the champ always enhances your legacy.

Current Jones is also about twice the fighter of anyone Fedor ever beat. As is Francis. As is DC.


Why no relevant HW fights in Japan since Pride?



This place lol. Fedor bearing AA is GOAT shir. Stipe beating Bones= meh


Don't ever change

15-6, one top 5 win over 16 years outside Japan
 
Chalky White said:
This is true, but even moreso at HW since it’s more difficult to judge when a fighter is in their “prime”.

I’ve noticed that everybody uses the “prime” argument to confirm their bias in HW arguments. This fighter only lost because he was out of his prime and this fighter only dominated because his opponents were past their prime, etc.
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IMO the bigger thing at HW is that Pride was a very different kind of org in general. There were easy showcase fights, and works, there was a different ruleset, different testing environments, etc... It's not as straightforward a comparison as we all like to pretend.
 
MartinGibson86 said:
Jones is the current champ.

A win over the champ always enhances your legacy.

Current Jones is also about twice the fighter of anyone Fedor ever beat. As is Francis. As is DC.


Why no relevant HW fights in Japan since Pride?



This place lol. Fedor bearing AA is GOAT shir. Stipe beating Bones= meh


Don't ever change

15-6, one top 5 win over 16 years outside Japan
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I didn’t say it didn’t enhance Stipe’s legacy, and I certainly didn’t say beating Jones was “meh.” I said beating a fighter with no significant, proven track record at HW doesn’t do much to cement a fighter as HW GOAT. Try to keep up, Martin.
 
No. Until this day no HW has displayed what prime Fedor possessed. Fluidity between Strikes to takedowns seamlessly, crazy ground and pound , good cardio, good grappling , power in his hands, great chin, defense , durability, mental strength , submission, judo throws and the list goes on.
 
I dont understand meaning of this thread.
- If this thing is so sure that it cant be challenged, there is no room for talk.
- No mma thread will convince another fan about this matter. I have lurked these forums from early 2000's and not once I have seen
user change their perspective about greatest hw all time.

Those who think its Stipe, they still think its Stipe after this thread is gone. Same thing with Fedor fans.

Greateast in mma could mean so many different things. And its big chance that people dont care how you score it.
 
WOLVERINEKILLS said:
“Fedor ducked the ufc” Fedor fought 95% of the relevant heavyweights the ufc had from 2003 thru 2009. The PrideFC & Strikeforce heavyweights were generally regarded as being better anyways
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Refusing the UFC -Unfavorable F'n Contract - Is Not Ducking.
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Stipe deserves respect, no question, best UFC goat, opinion.

Best HW GOAT, there's a favorite who refused to be "ufc owned".

Per kenetic's honest evaluation :​
"Until this day no HW has displayed what prime Fedor possessed. Fluidity between Strikes to takedowns seamlessly, crazy ground and pound , good cardio, good grappling , power in his hands, great chin, defense , durability, mental strength , submission, judo throws and the list goes on."

 
Stipe isn’t even the greatest currently not to mention forever . Jones has one win at HW. Beating him won’t make Stipe the greatest . Actually clearing out the top 10 would be a step in the right direction. Fedor went undefeated 10 years . Stipe has a zero fight winning streak and only won half of his last 4.
 
Stipe is already the greatest UFC heavyweight, but he has a LOT of heavy-lifting (pun intended) to surpass Fedor as the HW GOAT. Personally, I don’t think he has time, anymore. I think all of the time-off on the sidelines cost his legacy, greatly.

As for beating Jones? I don’t see it. Stipe is in his 40s, been very inactive, and has either been KOed badly or been in brutal wars several times in his career. I would’ve favored him against Jones several years ago, but definitely not now.
 
nonoob said:
Refusing the UFC -Unfavorable F'n Contract - Is Not Ducking.
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Stipe deserves respect, no question, best UFC goat, opinion.

Best HW GOAT, there's a favorite who refused to be "ufc owned".

Per kenetic's honest evaluation :​
"Until this day no HW has displayed what prime Fedor possessed. Fluidity between Strikes to takedowns seamlessly, crazy ground and pound , good cardio, good grappling , power in his hands, great chin, defense , durability, mental strength , submission, judo throws and the list goes on."
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I stand by prime Fedor who was in his mid twenties, not towards end of his career .
 
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BFoe said:
I didn’t say it didn’t enhance Stipe’s legacy, and I certainly didn’t say beating Jones was “meh.” I said beating a fighter with no significant, proven track record at HW doesn’t do much to cement a fighter as HW GOAT. Try to keep up, Martin.
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"It's too late for Stipe to surpass him."

Soooo...beating Bones, Sergei, and Almeida and 11 straight title fights wouldnt do it for ya??? lmao

Still wouldnt top Stlvia, Hunto, and Rogers???


Anyone who beats current Bones will have beaten the best HW ever.

Not sure how that doesnt go light years towards cementing GOAT status, but whatever.
 
Stipe is over 40, hasn’t fought in years, and doesn’t even train full time.
 
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