If NFL is A level athleticism

TRYHARD 2001 said:
Really? In what way? Seems to me that you need a racket, some tennis balls, and a court to get it going. The fact that Venus and Serena came from a lower middle class family in Compton makes me think that it's more a lack of interest in tennis that keeps people away as opposed to any significant entry-level financial cost. The elite training you require as you progress is true of damn near every sport.

Now hockey, on the other hand.... THAT has a high cost of entry!
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hockey you just need a stick, skates and a frozen lake. :)

tennis is dominated at all levels by people who pay for training and it's fuckin expensive.

serena and venus are of course outliers and their father was unique in their development as players. sure it's possible to become great at tennis without paying for coaching but it's very rare and you're going to be at a relative disadvantage.
 
Khaiser said:
@kflo I made this post a few pages back and think it’s relevant to your last past. I absolutely agree though that kids don’t sit there thinking about which sport to play based on a very speculative assumption of them making it to the top. Interest, peer pressure, family ties, ability etc all ply a bigger part.


The average salary in the NBA is higher than any other sporting league. The NBA has 30 teams of 15 players giving you a full player roster on 450. These players earn on average $7.7m per annum. The next tier, the G-League sees players earn a pitiful $35,000 per season.

For comparison, the English Premier League has 20 teams each with a squad size of 25 players, giving a full roster of 500, with an average salary of $3.9m. Each of these 20 teams also has under 19, under 21, or in some cases under 23 teams - all of which will contain players paid on average significantly more than the $35k per season received by G-League players. To give you an idea for how much the players on these youth teams might pay, Martin Odegard signed a contract with Real Madrid for £80,000 per week at the age of 16.

The second tier of English football, the Championship, contains 24 teams each with a squad of 25, giving a full roster of 600, with an average salary of $1.7m per season. There are two more professional tiers below this.

This is in England alone (not even the whole UK) and doesn’t begin to consider the money on offer in Spain, Italy, France, Germany, USA, China or the UAE.
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the g-league is not the next tier. euroleague is and you have some players making millions.

and i never claimed the absolute $'s in basketball is greater than soccer. again, these are relatively silly debates at this level. both sports pay top $ and the distinction is relatively meaningless in terms of attracting talent to either sport.

the nfl pays near 1700 players at an average of about $3m. it will also attract athletic people (mostly in the states of course). major league baseball pays 1200 players an average of $4.4m and probably has the most career longevity.

in the end, i don't know what the point of these distinctions are. kids play what they are exposed to and they tend to ultimately focus where they are the best. messi isn't capable of playing any other major sport at an elite level. but he grew up playing soccer and is spectacular at it.
 
kflo said:
the g-league is not the next tier. euroleague is and you have some players making millions.

and i never claimed the absolute $'s in basketball is greater than soccer. again, these are relatively silly debates at this level. both sports pay top $ and the distinction is relatively meaningless in terms of attracting talent to either sport.

the nfl pays near 1700 players at an average of about $3m. it will also attract athletic people (mostly in the states of course). major league baseball pays 1200 players an average of $4.4m and probably has the most career longevity.

in the end, i don't know what the point of these distinctions are. kids play what they are exposed to and they tend to ultimately focus where they are the best. messi isn't capable of playing any other major sport at an elite level. but he grew up playing soccer and is spectacular at it.
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It would be the next tier in the states, hence why I made the comparison to the second tier of football in England. But you’re right that it doesn’t matter much at all. You can obviously make a lot of money by being good at either sport, and there’s little commonality in the athletes that get to the top of either sport.
 
ShreddinMMA said:
I've known multiple amateur and pro MMA fighters with asthma.

The reason Greg Hardy is good at MMA is he's just more naturally inclined to it. Not every NFL athlete will do well in MMA. Athleticism isn't an end all be all. Asthma can be dealt with, from everything I've seen. Hardy is green and is likely still figuring out how to adjust to it in an MMA context.
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as they say abs dont win fights
 
kflo said:
It’s fact. NBA pays a lot more. And soccer has more CTE. Sorry that is hard to digest.
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As I said, I respect NBA and NHL players. Calling handegg players A-level is a joke though as are you.
 
Phi- said:
As I said, I respect NBA and NHL players. Calling handegg players A-level is a joke though as are you.
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quality posting troll.

handegg is so funny too.

if you don't think guys who are fast, strong, quick and jump high and prove it against other elite players who get paid $3m on average are great athletes that's your problem. it's a nonsensical argument but hey, you seem to pride yourself on nonsensical arguments.
 
Khaiser said:
C’mon cuck, answer the questions I’ve assigned to you or wave that white flag :cool:

I’ve given you a quote from Roach that’s comes after that video was taken, that video is therefore an opinion he no longer holds. You’ve also had ‘born not made’ explained to you by other posters.

“You just have to really set up more than the power punch. You have the combinations and learn how to sit down on the power shot.” Freddie Roach

Key word is “learn” lad.

PS I’m still expecting your mother/sister to be with me before lunch. If you promise to respond here publicly, I might even let you watch :cool:
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His opinion didn't change. You just don't understand what you're reading.

1) setting up punches
2) combinations
3) sitting down on punches

These things are considered skills/techniques of Boxing. Skill and technique can be taught. But speed and power are things which the majority of the combat sports world agree you either have or you don't.

But hey, if you think all the fighters in MMA can have the punching power of a Rumble, Fedor or Francis Ngganou someday, you're entitled to that opinion. <Lmaoo>
 
shoorik1987 said:
Retardation can not be trained, you're either born with it or you're not. :D
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@Takamine86 doing his best to prove us wrong on that one. Not only born with it, but going forward one nonsensical post at a time with a steely desire to master retardation :eek:
 
Takamine86 said:
His opinion didn't change. You just don't understand what you're reading.

1) setting up punches
2) combinations
3) sitting down on punches

These things are considered skills/techniques of Boxing. Skill and technique can be taught. But speed and power are things which the majority of the combat sports world agree you either have or you don't.

But hey, if you think all the fighters in MMA can have the punching power of a Rumble, Fedor or Francis Ngganou someday, you're entitled to that opinion. <Lmaoo>
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An amazing lack of reading comprehension Cuck.

The ability to improve something doesn’t lead to the conclusion that everyone will be excellent at it, or indeed everyone will reach the same level. Just like someone could improve their ability to dunk a basketball but never be as good at dunking as Lebron. Believe it or not son, you could improve your running speed (yes, it isn’t predefined at birth) but never reach the speed of Usain Bolt.

This demonstrates your retardation. Speed and power can both be developed. I see you’ve conceded to me now by admitting that learning to sit down on your punches increases power. Well done son. We finally got there.

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I appreciate the response though, I’ll take it that means you want to watch the action! Filthy cuck <45>
 
Are people actually arguing about salaries as though that is relevant whatsoever in terms of judging athleticism? lmfao

If you love a sport, you play that sport. If you're given an option to make 35 million playing a sport you dont like or 25 million playing a sport you love, you're going to pick the sport that you love that pays less. There is literally no correlation between payment and athletic ability for the simple fact that athletes play sports because they love them not because they want to make money. The money is just a VERY happy coincidence.
 
mmamxfan said:
I'd pay good money to see Conor, or any fighter, line up in an NFL game at the slot position to run a cross route. His little 155lb ass would get wrecked by a cb...let alone a safety or linebacker.
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Conor weighs 180 of which there are plenty of football players at that weight.
 
Dead Kennedy said:
People tend to forget he finished Lewis...
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I always liked Meathead
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Same punch he got Fedor with :(
 
Khaiser said:
An amazing lack of reading comprehension Cuck.

The ability to improve something doesn’t lead to the conclusion that everyone will be excellent at it, or indeed everyone will reach the same level. Just like someone could improve their ability to dunk a basketball but never be as good at dunking as Lebron. Believe it or not son, you could improve your running speed (yes, it isn’t predefined at birth) but never reach the speed of Usain Bolt.

This demonstrates your retardation. Speed and power can both be developed. I see you’ve conceded to me now by admitting that learning to sit down on your punches increases power. Well done son. We finally got there.

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I appreciate the response though, I’ll take it that means you want to watch the action! Filthy cuck <45>
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LMAO. In other words, you either have it or you don't.

Glad to see you can finally admit me, Freddie Roach, and the majority of the combat sports community were correct on Power.

"Punchers are Born and not made, I believe that is true." - Freddie Roach



Maybe instead of listening to your Romanian coach, you should listen to Freddie Roach. He is way more experienced and has had way more success with fighters.
 
Khaiser said:
Absolutely agree with this btw.

I should clarify that every physical activity, punching included, has a degree of ‘born not made’. If you’re expecting to be able to take the average bloke of the streets and teach him how to hit like Tyson with enough practice, you’ve very likely going to be disappointed.

My position is that punching power can be improved, and as you’ve said, it absolutely can. The notion that you walk into a boxing gym on day 1 and hit as hard as you ever will is unbearably stupid.
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I'm sorry I missed this post where you already admitted you were wrong. I really don't know why we are arguing about this point if you have already conceded the point.

Nobody is implying the punching power you have when you walk into a gym is what you will have for the rest of your life, just like nobody is implying the punching power you have the moment you come out of the womb is the maximum power you will have in life. That is not what the fight community means when they say "punchers are born."

When the fight community says, "Punchers are born" they mean the punching power ceiling you will have in life is set. Not everyone can be a knockout puncher like Fedor, Tyson or Rumble. & a large reason for that is genetic, it has a lot to do with a high ratio of fast twitch muscle fibers, which not everyone is born to have.
 
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