If NFL is A level athleticism

[Takamine86]

Messi’s total contract isn’t worth the $127m <45> He gets that sum per season for the length of his contract, not at commencement or completion. Amazing I need to actually point that out.

Fact - the highest paid athlete in any single
Night was Floyd Mayweather.

Fact - The 3 highest paid athletes of 2019 were all real footballers.

But it still remains that the highest potential earning for a single athlete in sports is in Boxing where it is possible to earn 285 million in one night.

& the highest average pay of any sports league is in the NBA.

These facts haven't changed correct? or did I miss something.

 

[Khaiser]

But it still remains that the highest potential earning for a single athlete in sports is in Boxing where it is possible to earn 285 million in one night.

& the highest average pay of any sports league is in the NBA.

These facts haven't changed correct? or did I miss something.

You missed a lot.

The highest potential earnings is debatable, given that its....well potential earnings.

The highest of any sports league is the NBA, but that’s a very different thing from being the highest paying sport, as I’ve demonstrated.

If you can make it to very top of any sport then boxing and real football seem to be the current winners financially. In terms of just playing any sport at a decent level, real football is a clear standout. It’s the only sport I know where you can be relatively poor at it (compared to the elite) and still make bank.

 

[YourBoss]

I don't know much about Brock's numbers. I know he got cut from the NFL and was offered a spot in NFL Europa at the time. But I don't know much other than that. He was able to win UFC gold, that counts for something though I suppose.

But you can be more accomplished in your sport and be less athletic. For Example, Tiger Woods is more accomplished in his sport than most athletes. Doesn't mean he is more athletic than GSP for example. But than I suppose that is depends on how you define "athletic."

What bodybuilder jump did you post? I saw one from another poster but I haven't seen one from you. Interesting. Can you show me the post you are talking about?

I'm sorry but athleticism doesn't quite work that way. Some guys can't jump as high as other guys and it isn't a matter of the guy jumping higher training harder. Ronaldo is one of the best jumpers in soccer, you're not going to get much better than that.

 

[Takamine86]

The analogy is bang on. Your understanding of the analogy is astonishingly bad.

Since you’ve again avoided answering any of my questions, I’ll ask one more time:
What athletes do you think are likely to kick a real football with the most power?
Or let me dumb it down for you further - what athletes do you think are able to punch the hardest?

I didn't avoid your question, it was a dumb analogy. It has nothing to do with anything we are talking about. If you are asking me can a pro soccer player kick a soccer ball better than an average joe, the answer is yes. If you're asking if Lebron can dunk better than Jon Jones, the answer is yes. But what does that have to do with anything?

Punching power is different, it is innate, you are born with it. It is similar to speed and has more to do to fast twitch muscle fibers than technique or skill. Some things in atheltics can't be taught. You can teach proper technique and skill with punching, you can't teach power or speed. That is why a fighter like GSP will have great punching technique and skill but will never exceed the power of some other fighters at WW. So if you are are asking which fighter can punch the hardest, the answer depends on those innate attributes. When Francis Nagganou was shoveling dirt in Africa, he already had more punching power than the majority of the UFC's HW division. So if you think the professional fighter always has more punching power, the answer to that is no, it doesn't work like that.

 

[Jojomojo]

But it still remains that the highest potential earning for a single athlete in sports is in Boxing where it is possible to earn 285 million in one night.

& the highest average pay of any sports league is in the NBA.

These facts haven't changed correct? or did I miss something.

The NBA or the NFL arent even comparable to a national football league in that sense, because theire organisation is way different. In Germany for example we have clubs like Bayern Munich or Dortmund who could afford paying even their reservists multiple millions per season, but also clubs whose top contractors only earn 1-2 million.

 

[Takamine86]

That is f'ng amazing. Really explosive athlete.

 

[Takamine86]

The NBA or the NFL arent even comparable to a national football league in that sense, because theire organisation is way different. In Germany for example we have clubs like Bayern Munich or Dortmund who could afford paying even their reservists multiple millions per season, but also clubs whose top contractors only earn 1-2 million.

Interesting. My question is for you is who is the better soccer player Ronaldo or Messi?

Because Messi gets paid more but most tell me Ronaldo is the better soccer player. Is the highest paid player the best player?

 

[El Panteron]

Interesting. My question is for you is who is the better soccer player Ronaldo or Messi?

Because Messi gets paid more but most tell me Ronaldo is the better soccer player. Is the highest paid player the best player?

Messi is better than Ronaldo in almost every facet of football. They are hardly in the same league.

 

[MarkyMcFly]

And buddy went on to do 3/4's of nothing in pro football. These athletic tests don't mean a thing if the player doesn't "get" the sport. Impressive to look at, though. REALLY impressive.

Lol That's an All-Pro cornerback and a guy who's about to make a lot of money

 

[Khaiser]

I didn't avoid your question, it was a dumb analogy. It has nothing to do with anything we are talking about. If you are asking me can a pro soccer player kick a soccer ball better than an average joe, the answer is yes. If you're asking if Lebron can dunk better than Jon Jones, the answer is yes. But what does that have to do with anything?

Punching power is different, it is innate, you are born with it. It is similar to speed and has more to do to fast twitch muscle fibers than technique or skill. Some things in atheltics can't be taught. You can teach proper technique and skill with punching, you can't teach power or speed. That is why a fighter like GSP will have great punching technique and skill but will never exceed the power of some other fighters at WW. So if you are are asking which fighter can punch the hardest, the answer depends on those innate attributes. When Francis Nagganou was shoveling dirt in Africa, he already had more punching power than the majority of the UFC's HW division. So if you think the professional fighter always has more punching power, the answer to that is no, it doesn't work that.

You’ve consistently bitched out of avoiding every question I’ve asked you son <45>

The fact that a pro footballer can kick a ball harder than the average Joe, and that Lebron can dunk a ball better than Jon Jones is demonstrative of the fact that they’re both learned skills. In a very rudimentary view, kicking a football is a demonstration of kicking power and dunking a basketball is a demonstration of vertical height. If you took a sample of UK and US citizens, the US citizens would almost certainly be able to dunk better and the UK citizens would almost certainly be able to kick a ball harder. Neither population is genetically predisposed to jumping higher or kicking harder, which suggest that each activity is skill based, and learnt. I don’t think I can spell that out for you anymore.


And it’s laughable that you don’t think punching power can be taught. There is an element of any activity that comes naturally, and more in punching power than most, but it absolutely can be enhanced through training. It’s no coincidence that boxers punch harder than any other athlete.

 

[Khaiser]

Interesting. My question is for you is who is the better soccer player Ronaldo or Messi?

Because Messi gets paid more but most tell me Ronaldo is the better soccer player. Is the highest paid player the best player?

Anyone that tells you Ronaldo is better than Messi doesn’t know what they’re talking about. 10 years ago it would’ve been a valid question that would’ve divided opinion. Now the answer is Messi in as factual terms as it’s possible to be.

 

[Jojomojo]

Interesting. My question is for you is who is the better soccer player Ronaldo or Messi?

Because Messi gets paid more but most tell me Ronaldo is the better soccer player. Is the highest paid player the best player?

Imo Messi is the better player but thats up for debate
But im not sure what or point is with that question tbh. The highest paid player isnt neccesarily the best since they are free to negotiate their own contracts with the respective club. Ofc these contracts take into consideration what a player is or could potentially be worth. But when a player doesnt do too well, he still earns aproximately the same over the duration of the contract (minus pitential boni for goals etc)
Also its not entirely clear which player does earn more, these are mainly educated guesses by expert but often do not count in boni, advertisement deals etc.
Its widely comsidered Messi earns more, but its not clear how much exactly.

 

[YourBoss]

That is f'ng amazing. Really explosive athlete.

I would have a different explaination. I think most bodybuilders would have a great vertical since they do all the training excercises that will give you explosive power.
https://www.stack.com/a/can-an-bodybuilder-actually-jump-higher-than-an-nfl-prospect
Heres another video of bodybuilders doing the vertical jump. Cant be a coincidence that all those bodybuilding buddys have vertical jumps of 33, 35, and 38,5 inches.
They cannot all be superathletes.
Its very possible to get a great vertical with the right training. And hitting the gym doing deadlifts, legpresses,squats and pushing things is the way to do it. And thats what NFL players do all day long. Thats the reason why they even jump higher than BB-players. More training for power and explosiveness, and less training for cardio.

 

[Khaiser]

To give people in the US an idea of the spread of money in football....

My hometown has a population of 60,000 and sits in a country in Northern Europe. If I look at US towns with a comparable population, I’ve never heard of any of them.

The only wage data I can find on my local
team is when we signed a Romanian striker back in 2008. Even back then we were able to pay him over $250,000 per year before bonuses (probs my closer to $300k per year base salary if I used 2008 exchange rates). That’s the salary of a footballer playing in the second tier of a minor European league, for a club in a town that barely even qualifies as a town. 10+ years ago, this guy was making significantly more than 2nd tier NBA players are making now.

 

[Takamine86]

You’ve consistently bitched out of avoiding every question I’ve asked you son <45>

The fact that a pro footballer can kick a ball harder than the average Joe, and that Lebron can dunk a ball better than Jon Jones is demonstrative of the fact that they’re both learned skills. In a very rudimentary view, kicking a football is a demonstration of kicking power and dunking a basketball is a demonstration of vertical height. If you took a sample of UK and US citizens, the US citizens would almost certainly be able to dunk better and the UK citizens would almost certainly be able to kick a ball harder. Neither population is genetically predisposed to jumping higher or kicking harder, which suggest that each activity is skill based, and learnt. I don’t think I can spell that out for you anymore.


And it’s laughable that you don’t think punching power can be taught. There is an element of any activity that comes naturally, and more in punching power than most, but it absolutely can be enhanced through training. It’s no coincidence that boxers punch harder than any other athlete.

I answered your questions. They led us nowhere. Again, they have nothing to do with anything we are talking about. What does Lebron being able to dunk as a professional have to do with Jon's inability to dunk. There are people worldwide who've never held a basketball in their lives but can dunk simply because they can jump high enough and they can hold a basketball.

You really don't understand much about punching power. Its laughable that you think punching power is taught. Why don't all boxers and mma fighters have punching power genius? According to you, they just haven't been taught yet. Go to any MMA gym or Boxing gym and ask them about teaching punching power and speed.

 

[Khaiser]

I answered your questions. They led us nowhere. Again, they have nothing to do with anything we are talking about. What does Lebron being able to dunk as a professional have to do with Jon's inability to dunk. There are people worldwide who've never held a basketball in their lives but can dunk simply because they can jump high enough and they can hold a basketball.

You really don't understand much about punching power. Its laughable that you think punching power is taught. Why don't all boxers and mma fighters have punching power genius? According to you, they just haven't been taught yet. Go to any MMA gym or Boxing gym and ask them about teaching punching power and speed.

You’ve dodged the question I’ve been asking you for days now.

I can’t make the whole dunk/kick thing any simpler for you. Do you think a sample of UK citizens could kick a football further than US citizens, and if so why?

You’re exposing yourself as someone with very limited knowledge of combat sports. Punching power and speed absolutely can be taught.

“Why don't all boxers and mma fighters have punching power genius” is possibly the dumbest thing I’ve read on Sherdog. The word you’re looking for is ‘relativity’. A sample of 100 professional boxers will of course hit much harder than a sample of 100 people in the general population, or even 100 athletes.

Here’s what Freddie Roach said with regards to teaching punching power,
“You just have to really set up more than the power punch. You have the combinations and learn how to sit down on the power shot”. The key word being learn dipshit.

I genuinely don’t know how someone even gets into martial arts and isn’t aware than things like power and speed can be enhanced with the correct training. I suppose you think Usain Bolt just rolled up to the Beijing Olympics straight of the couch to take gold.

 

[Jojomojo]

To give people in the US an idea of the spread of money in football....

My hometown has a population of 60,000 and sits in a country in Northern Europe. If I look at US towns with a comparable population, I’ve never heard of any of them.

The only wage data I can find on my local
team is when we signed a Romanian striker back in 2008. Even back then we were able to pay him over $250,000 per year before bonuses (probs my closer to $300k per year base salary if I used 2008 exchange rates). That’s the salary of a footballer playing in the second tier of a minor European league, for a club in a town that barely even qualifies as a town. 10+ years ago, this guy was making significantly more than 2nd tier NBA players are making now.

This. Americans dont understand how much money is even in the minor leagues. A guy from my hometown plays for a bigger club im Germanys 2. Bundesliga. 3 years into his career he was already a millionaire. This was 7 years ago, today there is even more money around now.

 

[Takamine86]

The NBA or the NFL arent even comparable to a national football league in that sense, because theire organisation is way different. In Germany for example we have clubs like Bayern Munich or Dortmund who could afford paying even their reservists multiple millions per season, but also clubs whose top contractors only earn 1-2 million.

Pay in the NFL is based more on position. Certain positions pay higher than others. But most bench riders in the NFL/NBA have multi million dollar contracts.

 

[Takamine86]

You’ve dodged the question I’ve been asking you for days now.

I can’t make the whole dunk/kick thing any simpler for you. Do you think a sample of UK citizens could kick a football further than US citizens, and if so why?

You’re exposing yourself as someone with very limited knowledge of combat sports. Punching power and speed absolutely can be taught.

“Why don't all boxers and mma fighters have punching power genius” is possibly the dumbest thing I’ve read on Sherdog. The word you’re looking for is ‘relativity’. A sample of 100 professional boxers will of course hit much harder than a sample of 100 people in the general population, or even 100 athletes.

Here’s what Freddie Roach said with regards to teaching punching power,
“You just have to really set up more than the power punch. You have the combinations and learn how to sit down on the power shot”. The key word being learn dipshit.

I genuinely don’t know how someone even gets into martial arts and isn’t aware than things like power and speed can be enhanced with the correct training. I suppose you think Usain Bolt just rolled up to the Beijing Olympics straight of the couch to take gold.

Here is Freddie Roach's own words on video about punching power. & I don't need insults.

"They say punchers are born and not made, I believe that is true" - Freddie Roach

"But I do believe you can improve on your punching with accuracy, (Referring to "The Button aka the chin and nerve endings")

Like I said, you don't know how punching power works.

Now be quiet about punching power, you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Jojomojo]

Pay in the NFL is based more on position. Certain positions pay higher than others. But most bench riders in the NFL/NBA have multi million dollar contracts.

Yes i dont doubt that. However the comparison doenst make any sense since it says "leagues". The NBA is a completly different model than any european football league, since they are the main contractors in difference to the single clubs.
Also they are just way less players "fully employed" since they use development contracts and free agents to fill in holes which allows them to cut players who arent needed or play worse than expected.
This is not an argument which system is better or worse, just that it doesnt make to much sense to compared both. Understand that in Europe the "league" doenst pay any notable amount, its the respective clubs which have huge disparities between their financial possibilitys