the average salary in the nfl is closer to 3m, about the same as the average in la liga. and the nfl has 1700 players.
If NFL is A level athleticism
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How bout you read the information and learn something. Then respond to what you disagree with.
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If we want to look at other athletes from other sports to determine who would do the best in MMA, it's guys built like Shane Hammon - 5'9", 360 pounds of strength, literally the strongest man ever to live (he still holds unbroken records in 8 weightlifting categories) and can literally dunk on fools.
The short heavy build is better than the tall heavy build when it comes to hand to hand combat. Sherdog hates to hear it but it's true.
The short heavy build is better than the tall heavy build when it comes to hand to hand combat. Sherdog hates to hear it but it's true.
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It does matter actually, here is Ronaldo himself telling you in the video it matters and demonstrating the difference.
Ronaldo has a running 30 inch vertical That is running. Guys in the NFL/NBA get their jumping measured standing in place like Ronaldo did in his first jump. & even a lot of the big guys jump higher than 30 inches standing in place.
Saying that athletes like Ronaldo doesn't work on Jumping just shows you don't know much about sports or athletes in general. All elite level athletes who compete in a sport that require running/jumping do Plyometrics. Soccer does require both running and jumping.
Jumping is how athletes measure and work on their explosiveness. That GSP double we all love so much. The explosiveness comes from being able to do this.
Lol His standing technique is simply shit. Doesnt have anything to do with being any less explosive. He has his hands at his hips for fucks sake. The NFL players wont jump any higher if they jumped with their hands at their hips.
It doesnt make a difference wether you take a 1 step vertical or a standing vertical. The difference in Ronaldos case was that he clearly isnt aware on how to jump from a standing position. Physically he is a freak. The jumping pic i showed you he was at the very least 2.9m in the air. Thats 40 inches for a guy that doesnt train at jumping.
What makes you think I disagree with anything you said? As far as I’m aware, you don’t even disagree with the only point I made regarding someone’s ability to slam dunk - that it’s a bad measure of someone’s vertical leap ability (and overall athletic ability) for people inexperienced in basketball.
Let’s be honest, the only reason you don’t want to answer my question is because you’re afraid it will you make you look stupid in front of a bunch of anonymous internet posters.
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Nope, short strong men are better than tall ones in fighting.
As MMA continues to develop, stouter men will continue to dominate and in the future there will be no champions in any division taller than 6'
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Ronaldo's 2nd jump was unrestricted. They let him jump how he normally jumps (hands unrestricted) with a stepping start and he only jumped 30 inches. The videos of the NFL players shows almost all of them jumping higher than Ronaldo standing in place.
The photo you showed with Ronaldo and the goalpost isn't a measured jump and depth perception plays a role in how high it looks like he jumped compared to how high he actually jumped. How far in front of the post is he? He is clearly closer to the camera than the guy leaning on the base of the post. You know what is more reliable, an actual measured jump with Ronaldo himself getting his jump measured.
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You have a 95IQ
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Nope perspective does not play a role in this photo. Cause you can actually look up the video on youtube of this jump. The ball was fixed directly under the bar and Ronaldo aswell as his teammate Pepe where able to head it.
just found the video.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/w...ead-ball-tied-NFL-post-Portugal-training.html
There you go. 10 ft high American Football-bar. And the ball is tied to the bar. So lets assume he only scratched the ball ( while in reality he had full impact) that would make this jump 3,05m-0,22m (for the ball) That means he was at the very least 287cm high in the air. At his height thats 287cm-187cm=1m = 40 inch jump. Again, the jump was almost certainly higher, since he didnt just scratch the ball. And since i doubt Ronaldo does legspresses, boxjumps and deadlifts all day long, i would claim he could jump even a couple of inches higher if he really aimed for it.
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So you call my bluff then. Read my post, respond to the excellent points I've made. & see if I answer the question or if I'm actually scared.
Does your post disagree with my suggestion that the ability to dunk is a poor test of vertical leap, and general athleticism, for this inexperienced in basketball?
It's pretty clear any athlete will play football before handegg. So we have
1) more people playing football
2) more money in football
3) low risk of brain damage in football
Only dumb Muricans would claim that any athlete would prefer a handegg career if he had the choice. Which is why Bolt tried playing football instead of handegg.
The total average is not meaningless if you are talking about athletes from the NFL and comparing them to other sports. I don't give a flying fuck about what job handegg players have to to on the pitch, the fact that a third of your "athletes" are having a fatty liver and clogged arteries by age 35 speaks for itself. If you consider that "A-level" that's on you, the japanese think Sumo-wrestlers are top athletes too. I don't give a shit. Just look at Greg Hardy. A supposed a level athlete that needs his fuckin inhaler in between rounds because of his trash cardio. Give me a break with your bullshit lol.
The only reason handegg is popular is because the US has an obesity problem and the fat kids gotta play something too. Which is fine, because I don't have anything against fat kids. Just don't call them athletic, lol. What you consider normal people in other countries consider fat. What you consider athletic a professional doctor will consider unhealthy/obese. Everybody I know that visited your country came back fat and didn't even realize because reality itself is warped in your fastfood culture.
I means that if football players compete over silly things like verts or broads they do it for fun and don't post the results publicly. They don't give a shit because it won't impact their position in a draft. For handegg or basketball players it can mean a huge difference in their respective careers, so they train for it and they are trying hard.
why didn't bolt play basketball instead of soccer? it pays alot more and has less CTE.
you're clearly trolling.
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I watched the video, Ronaldo isn't jumping in place, he has a running start genius. All athletes jump higher with a running start. Just like they jump higher with a step compared to standing still vertical as Ronaldo showed you in the video. There is a difference even though you said it makes no difference. Michael Jordan can jump from the free throw line with a running start. He can't do that in place or with a step though.
Now with all that said, your measurements off. Although football goal post is 10 inches high, Ronaldo isn't touching the top of the Goal post. All Ronaldo has to do is head the bottom of the soccer ball that is hanging form the post, which is what he did. So you have to consider both the diameter of the soccer ball and the height of the goal post crossbar, as well as the space the ball is hanging from the string.
The diameter of a soccer ball is between 8.65 inches to 9 inches.
The height of crossbar which is 6 inches.
& then you consider the space between the ball and the post hanging from the string.
But we won't even use the string space, we'll give Ronaldo every inch. We will just take the lowest standard diameter for a soccer ball added with the 6 inch bar.
The height that Ronald is reaching to touch the bottom of the soccerball = (10 feet for the height of the goal post minus the diameter of soccer ball 8.65 inches minus the 6 inches for the height of the crossbar)
Which equals 8 feet 9 11/32 inches.
So the height Ronaldo is actually reaching with his head is 8 feet 9 11⁄32 inches. We'll even round that up to 8 feet 10 inches for Ronaldo.
Now that we know the height of the bottom of the soccerball and we know Ronaldo can touch it with his head, we need to subtract Ronaldo's height from the height of the bottom of the soccer ball to determine how high he actually jumped.
Bottom of soccerball = 8 feet 10 inches.
Ronaldo's height = 6 feet 2 inches.
So 8 feet 10 inches minus 6 feet 2 inches = 2 feet 8 inches. Which means Ronaldo jumped 32 inches high when he headed the bottom of the soccer ball with a running start. A two inch improvement with a running start. <45>
Ronaldo is still a great athlete man but if you are trying to compare his vertical to the athletes in the NFL, just don't. That isn't a winning argument. Even NFL Lineman or as you guys like to say "fatboys" can jump higher than Ronaldo as shown in the videos. I hope this gives you some perspective to what kind of athletes the NFL possesses.
What you should learn from this is you can't judge a man's ability by his physique alone. Fedor's career should have taught you that.
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Read it and find out man. We are not going to agree man but it is better if we have an understanding of why we see things differently.
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You never know, one day the U.S. may even win an Olympic gold medal in Rugby.
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It wasn't a video per se but the data or KPH they were able to determine for Arjen Robben speed came from Data collected by examining video footage of him. So the point remains the example you provided to measure the speed of soccer/futball players came from clips of soccer players dribbling down field.
So on one hand, you're telling me dunking/dribbling isn't a good way to measure athletic ability as you did in this post.
On the other hand, the examples of speed you are providing of Soccer/futball players dribbling downfield as you did in this post
But with that said, our definition of athletes is conflicted with yours. That is why there is a misunderstanding when you say dunking isn't a good measure for athlete's vertical. Because here, most athletes play multiple sports growing up, it is a matter of choosing one for a profession. Guys in the NFL/NBA more like played both sports growing up as well as multiple sports such as wrestling, track and field, baseball etc. That's what athletes here do. So when we say "Athlete" we say it in terms of that person can excel in almost any sport they dedicate themselves to.
So when you say an athlete from another sport would be a fish out of water dunking, that doesn't compute with us. The majority of the guys in the NFL can dunk because the majority of athletes here compete in multiple sports growing up. Even the fat boys you guys like to make front of so much and short 5'8 manlet slot wide receivers like Cole Beasley.
Jon Jones is considered the runt of the family because that is what he is. He was the least athletic of his brothers and the least recruited as an athlete. The whole point about Jon's inability to dunk has nothing to do with dunking and everything to do with gauging his vertical which is a measure of his explosive power output. The kind of output that allows wrestlers like GSP to have such an explosive double. If holding the ball is still an issue for you, Jon jumped an attempted to touch the rim without the ball before attempted to dunk. It is clear that he doesn't have much of a vertical and not very explosive. But Jon was wearing jeans and was casually hanging out not in competitive mode so I will cut him some slack and say we still haven't seen his max vert. His younger brother however could dunk in high school. He played multiple sports. Chandler's combine results showed he has a 35 inch vertical, very explosive for a man with his height and weight. 6'5 265 pounds and a 35 inch vert.
So Chandler Jones is taller than Jon, weighs more than Jon, stronger than Jon, has a better reach than Jon, he is more explosive, and he has shown an ability to excel in multiple sports. So here, Chandler is considered more athletic. In terms of MMA, what Jon has over chandler is skill and technique. Both of which can be taught. After the skill gap closes, other attributes come into play. Like athleticism, something which cannot be taught.
As for Arthur Jones, he was an undefeated wrestler in high school unlike Jon. He was a better wrestler growing up Arthur is a two-time New York state HS champion in wrestling. He chose football over wrestling, which is often the case here. Here are some very outdated lists of NFL athletes with wrestling backgrounds.
http://www.sectiononewrestling.com/documents/nfl_players_wrestled.html
https://uselitecombat.com/hey-coach-arent-football-players-wrestling-nfl-players-wrestled/
As you can see, there are a bunch of wrestling champions in the NFL. As I said, I can't speak for other countries, but the athletes here go where the money is. All these wrestling champions chose the NFL.
I know everyone likes to make front of Arthur's weight but just remember that Gut Fedor is the HW Goat of MMA. Gut DC is the former HW champion. Tim Sylvia is one of the most successful HW champions in UFC history. Miocic is the current UFC champion and he comes from Baseball. So history has shown us a fat guys can become a champion in the UFC and so can a ball sport athlete like Miocic. As for conditioning, Brock Lesnar who doesn't have the best conditioning and he was Champion. Ironically, all these muscle bound guys are who we see gassing most often, not the fat boys. You can have a gut and still be well conditioned and very athletic for you size. & If you are a dominant wrestler, you can control the fight even against better conditioned fighters. Kind of like how Nick Diaz has triathlete level conditioning but many of the WW wrestlers could still hold him down for 5 rounds.
Now with all that said, saying Jon's brothers are more athletic than him doesn't mean Jon isn't athletic in his own right. He is still one of the more athletic guys in MMA. Jon is an anomaly for the sport, you don't see guys with that kind of frame (Height/reach) with such dominant wrestling, in that regard, he is very athletic. Usually the taller guys lack wrestling and are weaker in terms of Grappling and that is how they are exploited. That is how Fedor beat Semmy closed the distance and exploited the Semmy's grappling weakness. In Jon's case, he is arguably the strongest wrestler and the better grappler as well. That gives him a huge advantage, in the standup he has the range advantage and pick you apart from the outside. So you have to close the distance to even damage him. When you do get in close on him, you are in grappling territory where Jon is also better as wrestling is his biggest strength. He is very durable as shown from the 1st Gus fight and the shots he took from DC. From a strategic standpoint, that is why Jon is so hard to beat.
I chose speed taken when dribbling with a football because it is the only data that I could find, and it actually works amazing my own argument. Every real footballer you’re seeing running with a football glued to their feet, in the middle of a 90 minute game, could hit a higher top speed if they were simply taking it from a straight sprint. If real footballers had available data for a 40-yard dash, or any of the other tests they train for in the NFL, I would of course use that. I’m not trying to make them look faster by using speeds taken that would obviously be less than their straight sprint speed.
Kids play multiple sports around the world. At some stage that broad focus narrows. I disagree that it’s all down to money - passion, ability, convenience and peer pressure all play a significant role in deciding what sport someone pursues. After all, the best paid athletes in the world are all footballers, and a potentially world class US footballer? You would be looking at a global superstar with earning potential up there with the best in the game.
My ‘fish out of water’ comment stands. A measure of kicking power would be to see how hard an individual can kick a football (or the max speed the ball reaches after being kicked). Obviously, real footballers would beat any other athletes in this hands down, and anyone that had even played a bit of football as a kid with their friends would have a significant advantage over someone who had literally never kicked a football. Would real footballers dominating this mean they were the most explosive lower body athletes in the world, or even the best kickers? Not at all. It’s a skill specific test, less so than dunking is, but still a skill that can be crafted and refined.
One of the issues a lot of Americans have is the realisation that most of the world don’t look at athletes as a breakdown of their individual components (vertical leap, bench, squat etc), and certainly not in accordance to what fits a very rule bound, artificial sport like American football.
I won’t address the rest just now as it relates to the Jones vs his brothers questions I’ve been asking. Two points to consider though:
1. You mention that Arthur is a better athlete than Jones - how do you categorically state that?
2. You mention a number of MMA fighters with a less than athletic ‘shape’. Which of these are ‘A-level’?
Stranger things have happened. Like the mighty Argentine basketball team taking gold in the 2004 Olympics.
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Touche.
But the U.S. has the majority of the Gold medals in Basketball as well as Rugby.
