If knees to the head can win you a round, shouldn't you have to land more than two?

[AmonTobin]

It was a significant sequence in the round. She blasted her several times and I’m certain those didn’t feel good. Shev was in a very dangerous position and touching the ground with 1 hand and turning her face away only made her look more helpless in that sequence. It was an Aljo Sterling moment. Check out @KazDibiase gifs they show the real story. These freeze frames are quite deceptive.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-vs-shevchenko-2-gifs.4307725/#post-171983337

 

[JBJ was here]

Things still shots don't show:

1) Angle of impact
2) Initial point of contact
3) X-ray vision

So, for example, take picture one from TS:

Did that knee:

1) clip the chin then slide up the side of Shevchenko's face,
2) drive up into the shoulder joint, trap, neck, or clavicle,
3) hit the jaw with the right side of the knee,
4) slide without making any real impact, or
5) something else?

From the still shot we can't tell. The still shot is fundamentally dishonest when used to support an opinion about the quality of the strike.

TS needs to find better hobbies.

 

[HoelHomero]

Scoring a round 10-9 because of a few strikes or a takedown is and always will be silly.
Score it a 10-10, problem solved. No point-fighting possible.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

shev should have focused on fighting rather then winning points.

it cost her round 4, and the failed takedown at the end of round 5 cost her that round as well.

Do you even know what you are watching?
That failed TD was a submission attempt aka attempt to finish the fight. She had a standing head and arm set up and tried to take it to the ground for a finish. She also was very close to a finish in the 3rd. How do you think your narrative that Schev wasn't pushing for a finish makes any sense?

 

[xhaydenx]

Listen, sherbro, because you're not getting how this stuff really works.

Damage is not really the number 1 scoring criteria. It says it's supposed to be, but really, the most important thing is visuals. Always has been.

Look like you're doing something and winning, and that's usually enough.

It doesn't matter if any of those knees landed. It matters that it looked like they landed.

Ain't no judge sitting there thinking, "Hmmm. Did all of those knees to the dome actually land clean? If so, how many? How do I feel about this?"

Judge just wants to get back to playing games on his phone. They don't care about the fights lol. They see a sequence like that where it looks bad and all it is to them is a bunch of unanswered knees.

Guarantee you've point more effort into investigating how damaging and important this sequence of knees was than any judge has ever put into anything ever lol.

And the judges might not have cared about the elbow because they probably didn't even notice it. It was a quick little thing, not some massive shot that sent Grasso staggering or something.

 

[scoobster]

And Still

 

[bobby shmurda88991100]

All it takes is one for it to be illegal. And if you had bothered to read the captions, you'd see that the one knee that did land solidly happened when Shevchenko had her weight on her hand.

if u were to actually do ur research, in nevada and a lot of other places, u need 2 hands to be grounded

 

[MMAcolyte]

Well Val the Vanquished said herself in her post fight presser that the knees were damaging and impactful. When a reporter asked she said something like, "I was getting kneed. In the head. Of course they mattered" (I'm paraphrasing, not quoting).

Then the other Schevchenko claims that Alexa landed 5 illegal knees.

So what TS is saying contradicts what Val and her sister are saying.

Those were the biggest blows of the round. Cuts are more visual, yes, but not as damaging as heavy shots to the dome.

 

[CrimsonFan]

Well she also landed a big takedown. Attempted an armbar and heel hook, on top of landing her own strikes on the feet

I mean it was more than just the knees

 

[VinceArch]

Seems like a bit of a reach here. TS WAS saying he didn't see how Alexa wins last week.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Things still shots don't show:

1) Angle of impact
2) Initial point of contact
3) X-ray vision

So, for example, take picture one from TS:

Did that knee:

1) clip the chin then slide up the side of Shevchenko's face,
2) drive up into the shoulder joint, trap, neck, or clavicle,
3) hit the jaw with the right side of the knee,
4) slide without making any real impact, or
5) something else?

From the still shot we can't tell. The still shot is fundamentally dishonest when used to support an opinion about the quality of the strike.

TS needs to find better hobbies.

So watch the fight yourself if you don't believe the images, or make some slow-motion gifs for the rest of us. I broke it down into shots that I felt were representative of the knees as they landed or missed, but it's trivial to see in real time that most of them aren't hurting Shevchenko. Yet folks here continue to claim that Grasso took round 4 because of the knees she landed - or a least, I haven't heard any other explanation as to why she should get the nod for that round over Shevchenko.

Besides, you may DOUBT that the image is representative of the blow, but that doesn't make the image dishonest. It just means you don't believe it's accurate, based on nothing but your own skepticism.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Seems like a bit of a reach here. TS WAS saying he didn't see how Alexa wins last week.

And two judges gave Shevchenko three of the five rounds. So it seems like that was a reasonable prediction.

 

[VinceArch]

And two judges gave Shevchenko three of the five rounds. So it seems like that was a reasonable prediction.

"Was" being the keyword there.

 

[Viking Power]

I posted this in another thread, but I think it deserves its own topic.

The folks that are confident Grasso won round 4 point to the "brutal" knees she hit Shevchenko with, and how that's more damaging than getting punched in the nose repeatedly and cut open with a hard elbow - never mind that Shevchenko didn't actually show any indication of being hurt by those knees.

And why didn't Shevchenko appear hurt? Because, quite simply, almost none of Grasso's knees actually hit her head.

Knee #1: Miss, striking the shoulder

Knee #2: Hit (but note Shevchenko has weight on her hand here)

Knee #3: Miss, striking Grasso's own elbow

Knee #4: Hit...with her thigh, not her knee

Knee #5: Grazing hit, primarily contacting the shoulder again:

Knee #6: Grazing hit, scraping the hair rather than impacting the head

The only solid contact Grasso made to Shevchenko's head was when Shevchenko was grounded. Everything else was trivial or a complete miss. Yet that's enough to take the round?

Good analysis. I didn't realize most didn't hit.

 

[Furious77]

All it takes is one for it to be illegal. And if you had bothered to read the captions, you'd see that the one knee that did land solidly happened when Shevchenko had her weight on her hand.

I read your captions and a knee to the shoulder still can score just like a knee to the mid section or a knee to any other part of the body. At the end of the day she was catching knees that were landing.

 

[Trabaho]

Someone post gifsof the knees pls

 

[IMPmmath]

Knees weren't brutal. I gave Shev the round

 

[felmmando]

Who was more effective in this exchange? Grasso with the knees or Shev being controlled and touching the ground with her fingertips?

Clearly the latter.

 

[FilipEmoFights]

Honestly if you have to land multiple knees on your opponents head to win a FIGHT, you shouldn’t even be throwing them.
Much less multiple knees just to win a round.
I consider a knee to have a much more likely chance of a KO then a punch. The fact she dropped Val with a punch but Val was able to take two knees to the top of the head was just strange to see.
Granted the knees Alexa landed weren’t full extension or of the flying variety, and she also wasn’t pulling Valentina’s face down towards the knees with the Thai Plum

 

[Gamer2k4]

I read your captions and a knee to the shoulder still can score just like a knee to the mid section or a knee to any other part of the body. At the end of the day she was catching knees that were landing.

Sure, as far as metrics go a hit is a hit, but just like there's a difference between a head kick being blocked (still contacting the opponent) and smacking them clean in the temple, a knee to the shoulder should absolutely not be given the same scoring weight as a knee to the head. Grasso missed because of Shevchenko's defensive movement, after all, and you could make an argument that the strike is negated in the same way a shoulder roll defects a punch.