If it wasn't Trump

[JonnyRingo84]

If it wasn't Trump, will there still be so much hatred? I mean a different President but the same exact view.

I think not. Too many libtards be going, "cuz trump" like that explains anything. I'll give you another example. Did you know that Clinton and Obama laid the ground work for Trumps immigration plans? They once said that immigration is good but we're a land of the law and illegal immigration is breaking the law. Or something like that.

but in the very example you gave, you can clearly see the difference in people's reactions between obama/trump. its how they marketed the policy. obama spoke like a respectful professional (even when he was doing shady shit or presenting terrible ideas). trump spoke like a demagogue, on purpose. "theyre bad hombres" and hinted at a ban on the religion of islam etc etc. hes a troll.

 

[bobgeese]

He blamed PR for the federal deficit....

He has failed at passing any legislation....

He is a laughing stock abroad and is eroding our soft influence around the world...

He owns "the left" so often he blocked political juggernauts like Chrissy Teigen and Stephen King from twitter...

I don't usually engage the trolls but that post made me lol pretty hard.

Typical liberal post here,


"Any legislation", except all of the bills that were passed...

I think you meant major legislation, in which case, how long did it take to pass Obamacare?

"Laughing stock abroad" the Middle East sure took him seriously, he was welcomed with open arms in Israel, Poland, etc. China certainly won't make him exit the back of the plane like they did obama. Furthermore, the country's who did laugh at him, have invited an invasion into their country costing them billion, and thousands of lives.

And yes, he makes the left dance to his tune like nobody else can.


But, you know, facts don't matter to liberals. As long as you can find something to reaffirm your imaginary safe space, it's all good.




In reality, Trump was campaigning to tens of thousands in packed venues. Hillary can't fill a high school gym.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Typical liberal post here,


"Any legislation", except all of the bills that were passed...

I think you meant major legislation, in which case, how long did it take to pass Obamacare?

"Laughing stock abroad" the Middle East sure took him seriously, he was welcomed with open arms in Israel, Poland, etc. China certainly won't make him exit the back of the plane like they did obama. Furthermore, the country's who did laugh at him, have invited an invasion into their country costing them billion, and thousands of lives.

And yes, he makes the left dance to his tune like nobody else can.


But, you know, facts don't matter to liberals. As long as you can find something to reaffirm your imaginary safe space, it's all good.




In reality, Trump was campaigning to tens of thousands in packed venues. Hillary can't fill a high school gym.

What legislation has he passed?

America's biggest allies are UK, Canada, Australia and Israel. I guess 1 out of 4 ain't bad

 

[bobgeese]

What legislation has he passed?

America's biggest allies are UK, Canada, Australia and Israel. I guess 1 out of 4 ain't bad

Am I your fucking google?


Let's see, UK has a terrorist sympathizer as the mayor of London, and Canada has Justin, who pays out millions to terrorists, while wearing fruity socks (who hilariously tried to virtue signal that they would welcome illegals, until they started flooding his country, then he turned into a fascist racist and made people obey the law). I'm not even going to put Australia in the league as those two, but they're facing the same issues.


But sure, if you want to suck off those leaders, by all means...

 

[lfd0311]

If it wasn't Trump, will there still be so much hatred? I mean a different President but the same exact view.

I think not. Too many libtards be going, "cuz trump" like that explains anything. I'll give you another example. Did you know that Clinton and Obama laid the ground work for Trumps immigration plans? They once said that immigration is good but we're a land of the law and illegal immigration is breaking the law. Or something like that.

These most recent democrat Presidents share the same view and belief that illegal immigration is bad for the country and received massive support. It's like just because Trump became President, then all of a sudden everyone started following politics. Nobody gave a fuck before Trump. Bet half of these SJW millennial don't even know who the previous presidents were.

What do you guys think? All these hatred and social justice cuz of Trump or do they really believe in what they're talking about? Are they all new to politics or old veterans?

I think you've got it wrong. They would be having this level of melt down to literally any Republican President. This general "This Republican President is awful and destroying the world" narrative has been being crafted for years and is interchangeable with whatever Republican Candidate would have won. Trump just happens to be that guy.

 

[Rational Poster]

Typical liberal post here,


"Any legislation", except all of the bills that were passed...

I think you meant major legislation, in which case, how long did it take to pass Obamacare?

"Laughing stock abroad" the Middle East sure took him seriously, he was welcomed with open arms in Israel, Poland, etc. China certainly won't make him exit the back of the plane like they did obama. Furthermore, the country's who did laugh at him, have invited an invasion into their country costing them billion, and thousands of lives.

And yes, he makes the left dance to his tune like nobody else can.


But, you know, facts don't matter to liberals. As long as you can find something to reaffirm your imaginary safe space, it's all good.




In reality, Trump was campaigning to tens of thousands in packed venues. Hillary can't fill a high school gym.

Obama passed ACA by the end of October in his first term and personally defended it in front of the house and media under hours of questioning. He also proposed his first budget by March of his first term.

Trump has passed no major legislation, he was actually on vacation when repeal&replace was being debated and did nothing to help it pass. He still hasn't proposed a budget.

FACTS

 

[lfd0311]

I'm sorry, but you just are not right here.

Trump, at least early in the primaries, seemed like a centrist (albeit authoritarian) Republican, with his rhetoric on taxes, healthcare, foreign policy, and trade. He resembled Chris Christie without the giant gut and the weird focus on marijuana.

However, since being abandoned by much of the center, he completely went hard-right (somehow pivoting away from center in the general) and is operating like a far-right Republican. On many issues, I have no doubt, that is just because he doesn't understand the issues and defers to the whims of his Republican colleagues.

But now, with taxes (preparing biggest cuts to the wealthy since Reagan, repealing the estate tax), administration (flooding the government with corporate executives and lobbyists), social policy (repealing net neutrality), healthcare (tax breaks to wealthy, throwing millions off coverage, eliminating protections, returning power to insurance companies), foreign policy (on track to be the biggest hawk of our time, combative with foreign nations like Venezuela, Iran, and Cuba), and even trade (reworking NAFTA to be even worse for workers, adopting TPP language).........he's super fucking far right.

And I'm not saying "far right" as in traditionalist moral-social shit like gay bashing. I'm talking about substantive, non-sexy policy that gets overlooked but screws generations of Americans for years to come by reallocating money and power upward.

First of all, many of the millions of people being "thrown" off Obamacare Coverage are people who were forced to carry insurance against thier will in the first place. The Left never seems to want to talk about this. And I legit loled in real life at "returning power to insurance companies". Nothing has given insurance companies more power in the history of insurance companies than the Affordable Care Act.

Secondly, nothing has done more over the span of my lifetime to screw over generations of Americans than NAFTA. The Left has some amazingly odd interpretations of history.

 

[bobgeese]

Obama passed ACA by the end of October in his first term and personally defended it in front of the house and media under hours of questioning. He also proposed his first budget by March of his first term.

Trump has passed no major legislation, he was actually on vacation when repeal&replace was being debated and did nothing to help it pass. He still hasn't proposed a budget.

FACTS

Well, the tax bill won't be far behind that mark.


I'll actually give credit to Obama when he brought that before the house, he was easily the most informed man in the room that day.

Unfortunately, that bill you're praising turned out to be a complete failure.

 

[lfd0311]

Obama passed ACA by the end of October in his first term and personally defended it in front of the house and media under hours of questioning. He also proposed his first budget by March of his first term.

Trump has passed no major legislation, he was actually on vacation when repeal&replace was being debated and did nothing to help it pass. He still hasn't proposed a budget.

FACTS

*October 2010. That's almost 2years into his first term. We're not even 10 full months into Trump's first term.

 

[Rational Poster]

*October 2010. That's almost 2years into his first term. We're not even 10 full months into Trump's first term.

The bill was introduced on October 29, 2009 and passed on November 7, during the 1st Session of the 111th Congress. Its primary sponsor was the Dean of the House, John Dingell of Michigan. The bill is a revised version of an earlier measure, the proposed America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009. The revisions included refinements designed to meet the goals outlined in the President's address to a joint session of Congress in September, 2009 concerning health care reform.

 

[Squarechoke]

You are just going to sit on the fence and watch as the left tears down everything that is meaningful? The left does not care for anything. They do not care for family, morality, tradition, self-responsibility, hard work, humility, modesty, religion and so on. If the left is allowed to take things too far, then society will collapse.

If the left is not put in check, then hedonism, welfare, affirmative action and moral relativism will ruin everything the people who came before us worked so hard to build.

It seems to be more and more common for people to say something and when you say something back they change the subject.

I can only smile at your stereotypical rant, which is of the kind you can make about any political leaning if you want to be a bit of a drama queen about it and over-exaggerate your disagreements.

 

[lfd0311]

He blamed PR for the federal deficit....

He has failed at passing any legislation....

He is a laughing stock abroad and is eroding our soft influence around the world...

He owns "the left" so often he blocked political juggernauts like Chrissy Teigen and Stephen King from twitter...

I don't usually engage the trolls but that post made me lol pretty hard.

I'm guessing you actually blame Trump fot the deficit.....

He's been in office for 10 months....

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/signed-legislation

A laughing stock amongst who? All those goofball Leftists at the EU who he constantly owns and who couldn't trick him into paying for their idiotic "climate change" nonsense?

 

[freaky]

Dismissed argument at "libtard."

Great argument - perfect example of a libtard

but in the very example you gave, you can clearly see the difference in people's reactions between obama/trump. its how they marketed the policy. obama spoke like a respectful professional (even when he was doing shady shit or presenting terrible ideas). trump spoke like a demagogue, on purpose. "theyre bad hombres" and hinted at a ban on the religion of islam etc etc. hes a troll.

So it all nails down to PC or these people too easily influenced by marketing. The message is literally the same but one is packaged more nicely. A perfect example of "you can literally sell people shit as long as you market it correctly" Thanks for confirming with my thoughts

 

[Trotsky]

First of all, many of the millions of people being "thrown" off Obamacare Coverage are people who were forced to carry insurance against thier will in the first place. The Left never seems to want to talk about this. And I legit loled in real life at "returning power to insurance companies". Nothing has given insurance companies more power in the history of insurance companies than the Affordable Care Act.

I'm not engaging you on the ACA again.

If you want me to go back and quote my previous posts that you then ignored and ran from despite being tagged/quoted several times, I'll do it. You have no knowledge of the ACA and your lol'ing in real life is akin to a mental deficient chasing butterflies and thinking himself a scientist. Because you're really fucking stupid and don't seem to know it.

Secondly, nothing has done more over the span of my lifetime to screw over generations of Americans than NAFTA. The Left has some amazingly odd interpretations of history.

Umm, I already implied as much ("even worse for workers"). Believe it or not, you can make a bad thing worse. The fact that Trump is adopting TPP provisions is just the cherry on top of how stupid he and his base are.

So...what?

 

[lfd0311]

I'm not engaging you on the ACA again.

If you want me to go back and quote my previous posts that you then ignored and ran from despite being tagged/quoted several times, I'll do it. You have no knowledge of the ACA and your lol'ing in real life is akin to a mental deficient chasing butterflies and thinking himself a scientist. Because you're really fucking stupid and don't seem to know it.

Please do. You've said you'd do this several times in the past and haven't done it. It's a convenient, face saving technique to avoid getting owned on this subject, in this thread by people who aren't familiar with our previous conversation.

Umm, I already implied as much ("even worse for workers"). Believe it or not, you can make a bad thing worse. The fact that Trump is adopting TPP provisions is just the cherry on top of how stupid he and his base are.

So...what?

Which provisions specifically do you have a problem with?

 

[skysolo]

I don't like Trumpy's policies on almost everything. I think he knows nothing about foreign policy. I think he is surrounded by morons.

But I sure do love the way he riles people up. Even people who I enjoyed watching make fun of Bush Jr.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

So it all nails down to PC or these people too easily influenced by marketing.

LOL!

we're all influenced by marketing. attempting to deny it only proves that you're influenced more than most, because you believe that you arent lol. the irony.

The message is literally the same but one is packaged more nicely.

i get that you dont agree with liberals who oppose trump. thats fine, theres nothing wrong with that. maybe youre even right on the matter.

but

surely a rational person like your self can admit, that trumps rhetoric can be extremely off putting, even to people who arent libtard sjw snowflake betas? reasonable people can disagree with you right? to some people, an entire religion should not be banned from entering the country.....as many feel it goes against the spirit of religious liberty and freedom. obama put restrictions on the exact same countries, but he didnt preach about it as if hes saving america from islam. so, people received that policy different, and understandably so.

there are liberals who go too far, and act as if protecting your border makes you a F'ing racist. thats silly, and maybe even stupid. BUT....lets also not pretend that trump was not blowing constant racist dog whistles and dropping innuendo about illegal immigration. i mean...."theyre rapists theyre gang members and....i assume some are good people." can you not accept that such comments can make even reasonable and rational liberals cringe?

A perfect example of "you can literally sell people shit as long as you market it correctly" Thanks for confirming with my thoughts

so is that what trump did to you? the way he marketed his border wall and islam ban made him come off as an alpha hard ass, and you loved it? thought so. youre just the flipped side of the same silly liberal coin that you talk trash about.

 

[Madmick]

If it wasn't Trump, will there still be so much hatred? I mean a different President but the same exact view.

I think not. Too many libtards be going, "cuz trump" like that explains anything. I'll give you another example. Did you know that Clinton and Obama laid the ground work for Trumps immigration plans? They once said that immigration is good but we're a land of the law and illegal immigration is breaking the law. Or something like that.

These most recent democrat Presidents share the same view and belief that illegal immigration is bad for the country and received massive support. It's like just because Trump became President, then all of a sudden everyone started following politics. Nobody gave a fuck before Trump. Bet half of these SJW millennial don't even know who the previous presidents were.

What do you guys think? All these hatred and social justice cuz of Trump or do they really believe in what they're talking about? Are they all new to politics or old veterans?

Trump is the architect of his own alliances. The very reason Trump receives his peculiar antagonism is because of Trump's peculiar idiocy and rhetoric.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Trump is the architect of his own alliances. The very reason Trump receives his peculiar antagonism is because of Trump's peculiar idiocy and rhetoric.

Idiocy and rhetoric?
The word you were searching for is leadership

 

[KillMeGod]

If it wasn't Trump, will there still be so much hatred? I mean a different President but the same exact view.

I think not. Too many libtards be going, "cuz trump" like that explains anything. I'll give you another example. Did you know that Clinton and Obama laid the ground work for Trumps immigration plans? They once said that immigration is good but we're a land of the law and illegal immigration is breaking the law. Or something like that.

These most recent democrat Presidents share the same view and belief that illegal immigration is bad for the country and received massive support. It's like just because Trump became President, then all of a sudden everyone started following politics. Nobody gave a fuck before Trump. Bet half of these SJW millennial don't even know who the previous presidents were.

What do you guys think? All these hatred and social justice cuz of Trump or do they really believe in what they're talking about? Are they all new to politics or old veterans?

If it were someone else, then that person wouldn't be running a real estate business and borrowing money from countries like Russia and then lobbying on behalf of Russia in congress to not impose sanctions even after they attacked us. Yeah I have a feeling if a non-traitor sociopath billionaire was in office, i have a feeling there would be less hate. Plus he grabs pussies without consent.

Trumptard idiot