Ido talking about not training with vegans

[PunchKicker]

"when you cant make meaningful distinctions"

Yet you strawwomaning hard honey bun. Your debating skills is off the charts, into uncharted retard territory.

 

[Jarvan]

Of the the approximately 20,000 non-vegan pro boxers in the world, how come none of them could stop one vegan boxer from attaining titles in two weight classes? Not one out of 20,000. Not to mention the millions of non-vegan boxers who couldn’t even hack it as a pro to even get the chance to challenge him.

You’re not the only one who can have fun with bro statistics.

Someone is triggered

Not gonna say who, but somebody

 

[spinup]

Chimps eat meat, and are also cannibals.

They eat very little meat, it's in average 3% of their diet and it varies a lot across tribes. Some are purely vegan.
Cannibalism is the results of killings for other reasons, they don't hunt each other for food.

 

[Jarvan]

Ancestors doing things doesn't make anything right today, ancestors raped, enslaved and murdered.

We're talking about nutrition though

With that said 2.4 million years of eating meat birthed today's humans

 

[Jarvan]

They eat very little meat, it's in average 3% of their diet and it varies a lot across tribes. Some are purely vegan.
Cannibalism is the results of killings for other reasons, they don't hunt each other for food.

You've clearly pulled this out of your ass

Chimps graze on insects every chance they get

 

[Jarvan]

No you did that... I'm sticking by BRAIN and NERVOUS SYSTEM as measures of something that feels pain. No it's not fine cos a Chicken has a brain. Nothing wrong with Plants being killed to me either.

I don't act on every immoral thing in the world it would be impossible, but not eating animals is very easy in my country, unlike solving the massive amount of deaths in the wild lol.

Things live and die

It's called nature

Many animals eat their prey while it's still alive
Many even eat their babies
You don't define what is moral or not

 

[Jose Beehive]

We're talking about nutrition though

With that said 2.4 million years of eating meat birthed today's humans

I don't think it's that black & white we have evolved and adapted to be able to do both, there was a point when we didn't even know how to cook.
Regardless it doesn't mean we have to do what our ancestors did.

 

[Jarvan]

Even a shaolin monk dont like the ldea of being vegan.

Bump

 

[Satan's Daddy.]

Gaining traction pretty fast, but yes being a vegetarian just sounds to depressing of a lifestyle for me and I don't trust people who claim to be a veggie and being happy at the same time.

 

[Jose Beehive]

Things live and die

It's called nature

Many animals eat their prey while it's still alive
Many even eat their babies
You don't define what is moral or not

I didn't say I did... Or Question any of the things you've just listed or obvious points you've made.

I don't see how this is even a response to what you quoted to be honest.

 

[Jose Beehive]

Gaining traction pretty fast, but yes being a vegetarian just sounds to depressing of a lifestyle for me and I don't trust people who claim to be a veggie and being happy at the same time.

The amount I miss meat is far exceeded by the feeling I get when knowing how many Dead Animals I didn't pay to be killed.

The opposite of depressing.

 

[spinup]

You've clearly pulled this out of your ass

Chimps graze on insects every chance they get

Many do, but that is still a marginal part of their diet which is mostly plants, nuts and fruits.

 

[Jarvan]

I don't think it's that black & white we have evolved and adapted to be able to do both, there was a point when we didn't even know how to cook.
Regardless it doesn't mean we have to do what our ancestors did.

You can't defy 2.4 million years of evolution in a period of less than 100 years

And I don't think anyone is actually saying vegans are bad or people shouldn't be one

If they do, fuck em

Vegans have proven that it is sustainable for some people. And many of those people are seemingly fine and many are thriving. Good on them!

 

[Jarvan]

Many do, but that is still a marginal part of their diet which is mostly plants, nuts and fruits.

Then they are not vegan dude

You can't be 97% vegan

No hominid is vegan. Not a single one. Many ruminants also indulge in meat.

 

[Jose Beehive]

You can't defy 2.4 million years of evolution in a period of less than 100 years

And I don't think anyone is actually saying vegans are bad or people shouldn't be one

If they do, fuck em

Vegans have proven that it is sustainable for some people. And many of those people are seemingly fine and many are thriving. Good on them!

I'm not defying anything, by definition alone Evolution incorporates a change of characteristics. Why stop there, why no go all the way back to when we were in the sea?

Indeed.. One person said they are just as bad as Peadophiles

 

[Iron Nick]

See thats the thing. Vegans are hypocrites too just like everyone else. For a vegan to act like they are making the world a better place, it is implying the world isn't good enough because they aren't a vegan. In fact most vegans still use animal products in some form or fashion. Also growing enough vegan material to eat with and use for materials will require a shit ton of land and resources (aka pollution) to make, so you just removing one human problem (farm land wiping out forests, etc) and replacing it with another.

Eating a vegan diet is literally the best thing you can do for the environment and thus, all other people sharing the planet with you and that includes yourself as well.
Even if in fact "most vegans" would still use other animal products, it's still better than additionally also consuming animal products.
By the way: personally attacking people is usually what those resort to, who have no arguments (those personal attacks are called argumentum ad hominem) - and your post bursts of these attacks.
It requires far, far more resources and is many times worse for the planet to consume animal products than vegan products, so you saying the problem is just replaced is absolute nonsense.

Also why are vegans so happy to kill plants, but so vehemently against it for animals? Another hole in their logic, unless they only ever eat the fruit of the plant and never harvest the plant while it is growing, which is never the case. Plants are living organisms just like animals. If you cut a hole in a tree, the tree absolutely 'feels' it and makes adjustments to try and repair itself.

This argument again...

No, there's nothing that suggests that plants are conscious and feel pain at all and even if they did, consuming animal products inevitably requires many times the amount of plants that a vegan diet does, because the farm animals need to be fed as well.

So in the end vegans are full of shit and turn a blind eye to other areas besides the eating of animals. So thats why people hate on others who try to act all high and mighty on their mighty high horse.

Oh, another personal attack!
Fun fact: out of all people in this thread, you and a few other "anti-vegan" people are by far the most condescending ones, whereas i and @Jose Beehive are pretty chill, no?

As for "turning a blind eye to other areas besides the eating of animals" i'm vegan for the animals, the environment and my longterm health.
I haven't bout a new smartphone in years and only use used ones for years.
I don't order sh*t from amazon, i look where (and how) my clothes are made, the very few times i buy them and politically i'm also always voting for parties which care about the environment and people, so i must disappoint you, i must be one of those vegans who isn't a hypocrite and full of shit.

Cheers mate.

 

[Jarvan]

I'm not defying anything, by definition alone Evolution incorporates a change of characteristics. Why stop there, why no go all the way back to when we were in the sea?

Indeed

Dude, you're literally doing everything that people in this thread say that they hate about some vegans

Why stop where? Wtf are you on about? We are organisms destined to evolve. We will evolve while eating meat, you will evolve not eating meat and taking pills to compensate.

Live your life dude, no one's stopping ya

 

[Deleted member 512089]

nothing atrocious about killing animals, we are only here because our ancestors weren't all a bunch of vegans. I've killed dozens of chickens and I felt nothing much like they didn't feel anything when they ate insects

What you did was probably a thousand time more human than those farm factories. I eat meat almost every day and I have slaughtered animals for my family too. I try to do it in the less painful way possible for the animal and to treat him with care and respect in the leading. I am not anti meat, i am pro meat. But that industrial farming and slaughtering is disgusting and inhuman. Animals shouldn't be treated like that, that is purely torture. I am against farm factories and industrial slaughter houses.

 

[Jarvan]

Eating a vegan diet is literally the best thing you can do for the environment and thus, all other people sharing the planet with you and that includes yourself as well.
Even if in fact "most vegans" would still use other animal products, it's still better than additionally also consuming animal products.
By the way: personally attacking people is usually what those resort to, who have no arguments (those personal attacks are called argumentum ad hominem) - and your post bursts of these attacks.
It requires far, far more resources and is many times worse for the planet to consume animal products than vegan products, so you saying the problem is just replaced is absolute nonsense.

This argument again...

No, there's nothing that suggests that plants are conscious and feel pain at all and even if they did, consuming animal products inevitably requires many times the amount of plants that a vegan diet does, because the farm animals need to be fed as well.

Oh, another personal attack!
Fun fact: out of all people in this thread, you and a few other "anti-vegan" people are by far the most condescending ones, whereas i and @Jose Beehive are pretty chill, no?

As for "turning a blind eye to other areas besides the eating of animals" i'm vegan for the animals, the environment and my longterm health.
I haven't bout a new smartphone in years and only use used ones for years.
I don't order sh*t from amazon, i look where (and how) my clothes are made, the very few times i buy them and politically i'm also always voting for parties which care about the environment and people, so i must disappoint you, i must be one of those vegans who isn't a hypocrite and full of shit.

Cheers mate.

Literally every single thing you've said here is incorrect.

 

[Iron Nick]

Literally every single thing you've said here is incorrect.

I throughly doubt that, but feel free to point out where i've been wrong on every argument i made.