International IDF Artillery-Signing Disturbed Frontman Booed at Black Sabbath's Farewell Spectacular

[Lycandroid]

You’re right that Hamas doesn’t want peace and they are shitty and a major factor in perpetuating ongoing bloodshed… what you fail to understand is the above facts are EXACTLY the reason Israel acted to support Hamas from its inception.

At this point, Hamas should be regarded as just an extension of Israel.

“Brigadier General Yitzhak Segev, who served as the Israeli military governor in Gaza during the early 1980s, admitted to providing financial assistance to Mujama al-Islamiya, the precursor of Hamas, on the instruction of the Israeli authorities.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#cite_note-blowback-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#cite_note-27"><span>[</span>27<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#cite_note-28"><span>[</span>28<span>]</span></a>Former Israeli Civil Administration director Efraim Sneh stated in 1992 that "we saw the fundamentalists mainly as an unthreatening social force aiming to improve the bad conditions and standards of living of the Palestinians ... We know now that we must make a distinction between Hamas, with whom we have nothing in common, and the moderates, mainstream secular elements among the Palestinians."<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#cite_note-LAT_Client-19"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a> In 2018, historian Uri Milstein quoted Yitzhak Mordechai, who served as head of the Southern Command from 1986 to 1989, as saying that "I was very familiar with Gaza from my previous positions. But when I took charge of the Southern Command, I was shocked by the number of mosques that had been recently constructed in Gaza. As it turned out, Israel’s strategists had been supportive of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin’s charitable organization."<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#cite_note-29"><span>[</span>29<span>]</span></a>”

Israeli support for Hamas - Wikipedia

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The only substantiated evidence towards this claim is the sending of humanitarian aid which is so makes Hamas an extension of half the planet by the same logic.

Foreign states have access to the same information we do, why would they knowingly send humanitarian aid and weapons if they know Israel controls both sides of the conflict ? Why waste all the time effort money and not to mention lives ?

It makes no sense for Israel to try and create a situation that makes them look this bad, They are now seen as genocidal state, what is the upside ?

 

[kflo]

You’re right that Hamas doesn’t want peace and they are shitty and a major factor in perpetuating ongoing bloodshed… what you fail to understand is the above facts are EXACTLY the reason Israel acted to support Hamas from its inception.

At this point, Hamas should be regarded as just an extension of Israel.

“Brigadier General Yitzhak Segev, who served as the Israeli military governor in Gaza during the early 1980s, admitted to providing financial assistance to Mujama al-Islamiya, the precursor of Hamas, on the instruction of the Israeli authorities.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#cite_note-blowback-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#cite_note-27"><span>[</span>27<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#cite_note-28"><span>[</span>28<span>]</span></a>Former Israeli Civil Administration director Efraim Sneh stated in 1992 that "we saw the fundamentalists mainly as an unthreatening social force aiming to improve the bad conditions and standards of living of the Palestinians ... We know now that we must make a distinction between Hamas, with whom we have nothing in common, and the moderates, mainstream secular elements among the Palestinians."<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#cite_note-LAT_Client-19"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a> In 2018, historian Uri Milstein quoted Yitzhak Mordechai, who served as head of the Southern Command from 1986 to 1989, as saying that "I was very familiar with Gaza from my previous positions. But when I took charge of the Southern Command, I was shocked by the number of mosques that had been recently constructed in Gaza. As it turned out, Israel’s strategists had been supportive of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin’s charitable organization."<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#cite_note-29"><span>[</span>29<span>]</span></a>”

Israeli support for Hamas - Wikipedia

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United Nations – Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged Israel on Tuesday to allow Palestinians to hold legislative elections in January without interference, implicitly criticizing Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

During a visit to New York City last week, Sharon said he would withhold cooperation with the Palestinian legislative elections if candidates from the militant group Hamas took part.

and:

Yadlin's relatively relaxed attitude toward the deteriorating security situation in Gaza represents a shift in IDF thinking from last fall, when the Southern Command supported a major ground operation into Gaza to remove the growing threat from Hamas. While many media commentators continue to make that argument, Yadlin's view appears to be more in synch with that of Chief of General Staff Ashkenazi, who also believes that the more serious threat to Israel currently comes from the north.

all from before hamas was elected and took power in gaza.

and of course ignores the wars and taking out of hamas leaders.

you are shameless though and will spam many more times.

 

[Gutter Chris]

What does that phrase mean to you? And what do you think about the fact that the current ruling coalition in Israel enshrined that phrase into their platform?

Wait really? What's the story there?

I think it means exactly what it means . Specially if it's a jew or a Muslim saying it. Seems to be a bit weird when it's some white western liberals saying it though . Half of them probably also mean it and the other half probably couldn't tell you from what river to what sea and think it's just a pro Palestinian slogan.

I have no problems with Israel feeling that way , think it's hypocritical to live in a western country formed by conquest and manifest destiny to act weird when we see another country being formed the exact same way. I think it's absolutely nonsense that Israel is expected to live with a group of people that attacks them constantly and has refused all real offers of peace. For better or worse Israel is there and this shit is going to go on until one side wins for once and for all and I'd just assume that it be Israel and now seems as good a time as any.

But you know this and it's not a gotcha as I've been honest about what I think the whole time. This whole exchange started with me saying be on whatever side you want and calling out how useful western idiots downplay what's being said when they hear from the river to the sea. That statement does not mean peaceful 2 state solution it means the other side of whichever group is using it ain't here no more

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think it means exactly what it means .

Okay which is what exactly?

Specially if it's a jew or a Muslim saying it. Seems to be a bit weird when it's some white western liberals saying it though . Half of them probably also mean it and the other half probably couldn't tell you from what river to what sea and think it's just a pro Palestinian slogan.

I have no problems with Israel feeling that way , think it's hypocritical to live in a western country formed by conquest and manifest destiny to act weird when we see another country being formed the exact same way. I think it's absolutely nonsense that Israel is expected to live with a group of people that attacks them constantly and has refused all real offers of peace. For better or worse Israel is there and this shit is going to go on until one side wins for once and for all and I'd just assume that it be Israel and now seems as good a time as any.

But you know this and it's not a gotcha as I've been honest about what I think the whole time. This whole exchange started with me saying be on whatever side you want and calling out how useful western idiots downplay what's being said when they hear from the river to the sea. That statement does not mean peaceful 2 state solution it means the other side of whichever group is using it ain't here no more

So basically in your eyes it's okay when Israel desires to ethnically cleanse the Arabs but not the other way around? And because New World societies cleansed their native populations we should look the other way when Isreal did so? Yet you want to act like you have some moral high ground?

 

[Gutter Chris]

Okay which is what exactly?

So basically in your eyes it's okay when Israel desires to ethnically cleanse the Arabs but not the other way around? And because New World societies cleansed their native populations we should look the other way when Isreal did so? And yet you want to act like you have some moral high ground?

I even said in the last post what it means already.


Yes under the circumstances Israel is justified. And it already was done to the jews and it was alright they were cleansed from Europe and cleansed from the rest of the Middle East. They gotta have a home somewhere so they don't get cleansed again obviously. It would not have been alright for them to go nuts and cleanse the entire area in say 48 but after all the constant wars and attacks and the refusal to be 2 states I think it became perfectly fine for Israel to feel that way.

And why is it alright for you and me to be the beneficiaries of manifest destiny and conquest, but not them ? Thats how countries are formed and its the reason why this bullshit is going to go forever. Why don't you have to give your home back to some apache and go back to wherever ?

The only moral high ground I have is honesty about what i actually think while the rest of you tip toe around

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yes under the circumstances Israel is justified. And it already was done to the jews and it was alright they were cleansed from Europe and cleansed from the rest of the Middle East. They gotta have a home somewhere so they don't get cleansed again obviously. It would not have been alright for them to go nuts and cleanse the entire area in say 48 but after all the constant wars and attacks and the refusal to be 2 states I think it became perfectly fine for Israel to feel that way.

That's unhinged but okay let's run with that.

Why not propose ethnic cleansing as a solution elsewhere given this logic? Should Turks be allowed to ethnically cleanse the remaining Kurds? Should India and China be allowed to do the same to Kashmiris and Uighurs respectively?

And why is it alright for you and me to be the beneficiaries of manifest destiny and conquest, but not them ? Thats how countries are formed and its the reason why this bullshit is going to go forever. Why don't you have to give your home back to some apache and go back to wherever ?

Because we're no longer actively cleansing Natives anymore and often pay tribes for treaty violations from back then, in other words we admit it's wrong and try to make amends given the current reality. In Israel’s case that would mean stop the ethnic cleansing first and foremost.

The only moral high ground I have is honesty about what i actually think while the rest of you tip toe around

I think neither side should be ethnically cleansed.

 

[Damien Karras]

What does that phrase mean to you? And what do you think about the fact that the current ruling coalition in Israel enshrined that phrase into their platform?

Wait really? What's the story there?

Down with the sickness

Listen to that song

 

[Islam Imamate]

Down with the sickness

Listen to that song

Oh so she heard that Mommy part and took it as an accusation against her? Or just otherwise strongly disapproved?

Reading those lyrics again made cringe. Disturbed is definitely one of the bands I used to listen when I was younger that I find hard to go back to. Not a single song of theirs sticks out to me from that time. Contrast that with System of a Down which holds up for me even if I'm not as into that genre anymore.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Oh so she heard that Mommy postand took it as an accusation against her? Or just otherwise strongly disapproved?

Reading those lyrics again made cringe. Disturbed is definitely one of the bands I used to listen when I was younger that I find hard to go back to. Not a single song of theirs sticks out to me from that time. Contrast that with System of a Down which holds up for me even if I'm not as into that genre anymore.

Even during my nu-metal heyday, Disturbed was an odd one. I despised their name, super cringeworthy, the singer just made me cringe in general (sitting in an electric chair dressed as a death row inmate onstage etc), they had 1-2 songs that did get me dancing a bit but that's about it. You just knew they were a band you'd look back on with embarassment when you were older. I saw them live at Ozzfest in 2001 or something in the UK, and his voice holds up well live but they're just super cheesey.

 

[Jar of Flies]

Just watched the replay and Disturbed still sucks. But gotta say Nuno Bettencourt may be the most underrated guitarist of all time. Guy single handedly saved that idiot Draiman’s performance.

 

[Siver!]

"intended solely to kill and murder and maim indiscriminately".

you're intentionally dishonest.......

Gaza officials say children killed in strike as Israeli military admits 'error'

Six children waiting for water are among those killed in an Israeli air strike, emergency service officials say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Something for you to masturbate to this evening, ya sick fuck

 

[kflo]

Gaza officials say children killed in strike as Israeli military admits 'error'

Six children waiting for water are among those killed in an Israeli air strike, emergency service officials say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Something for you to masturbate to this evening, ya sick fuck

Fuck off already. You just shit post.

Your link does not address what I said. You’re just an asshole now. Congrats.

 

[Lycandroid]

Just watched the replay and Disturbed still sucks. But gotta say Nuno Bettencourt may be the most underrated guitarist of all time. Guy single handedly saved that idiot Draiman’s performance.

I don't like Disturbed at all but there's no denying that was a great performance. Unlike a few of the singers from that show he hit every single note on pitch.

Billy Corgan, now that was a shitty performance.

 

[nonoob]

Why was he even there in the first place? Disturbed sucks and don’t really fit in with the rest of the bands there.

Some of us actually get Down With The Sickness !

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[Thrawn33]

I don't like Disturbed at all but there's no denying that was a great performance. Unlike a few of the singers from that show he hit every single note on pitch.

Billy Corgan, now that was a shitty performance.

Never let Billy sing any Judas Priest again.

 

[Siver!]

Fuck off already. You just shit post.

Your link does not address what I said. You’re just an asshole now. Congrats.

I'm delighted to be an asshole on this issue.

If it makes you feel sad or upset or angry that you support these monsters - good.

You should feel that way about yourself.

 

[kflo]

I'm delighted to be an asshole on this issue.

If it makes you feel sad or upset or angry that you support these monsters - good.

You should feel that way about yourself.

lol. I feel pretty fuckin great about myself.

Again, you just lie and make shit up on a message board while you rage. It’s sad.

 

[Siver!]

lol. I feel pretty fuckin great about myself.

Again, you just lie and make shit up on a message board while you rage. It’s sad.

Unfortunately for your drowning ass, none of the shit that paints Israel in the current light is made up by me.

It's a televised apartheid replete with ethnic cleansing and anyone with any moral character (not you) has been calling that shit out for quite some time.

Israel's attempt at a one state solution is nothing more than an attempt to eliminate Palestine, and fuck you for supporting it.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Oh so she heard that Mommy part and took it as an accusation against her? Or just otherwise strongly disapproved?

Reading those lyrics again made cringe. Disturbed is definitely one of the bands I used to listen when I was younger that I find hard to go back to. Not a single song of theirs sticks out to me from that time. Contrast that with System of a Down which holds up for me even if I'm not as into that genre anymore.

I was never into Disturbed, I think they're lame and shit ha ha. I did see them at Knotfest a few years back, must say they did put on a good show. And agreed on SOAD, I still go back to them, Toxicity is a pretty flawless album for mine.

 

[kflo]

Unfortunately for your drowning ass, none of the shit that paints Israel in the current light is made up by me.

It's a televised apartheid replete with ethnic cleansing and anyone with any moral character (not you) has been calling that shit out for quite some time.

Israel's attempt at a one state solution is nothing more than an attempt to eliminate Palestine, and fuck you for supporting it.

You’re too much of a mark to realize your side wants a one state solution to make the ME almost exclusively Arab / Muslim and rid the region of the Jewish problem. The 1% of territory jews have is already too much…

Stand proud with Hamas and talk about moral character.