1. Where did your likes go? Please Read This Thread »

I would introduce a pinfall to MMA

Discussion in 'Worldwide MMA Discussion' started by YesMySon, Feb 11, 2016.

  1. YesMySon Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Messages:
    1,756
    Likes Received:
    0
    PIN: Under the 2004–05 changes to the United World Wrestling rules, amateur wrestling moved to a round-based system in which each period is conducted as a separate match with a winner declared. The pin is an exception — it ends a match outright, unlike the period-only victories awarded by technical fall or decision on points. In this way, the fall is analogous to a knockout in boxing. (from wiki)

    In boxing and kickboxing, a knockout ends the fight completely. In BJJ, if you get choked out or submitted the fight is over.

    If they added a pinfall, lnp days would be over. Grappling would become a lot more interesting because you can't allow yourself to be pinned down.

    Also, if it were added, fights would end quicker as well since a pin would essentially be a stoppage
     
  2. eiyuu Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2008
    Messages:
    10,868
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Fighting City of Philadelphia
    Dumb

    This ain't wrestling.

    Plus, for the most part, you're already perceived as losing if you're on the bottom (unless you're crazy active going for subs and strikes from the bottom.) So that should already be a deterrent for being on the bottom.
     
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2016
  3. YesMySon Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Messages:
    1,756
    Likes Received:
    0
    so why not just call it a loss and avoid guys laying on each other
     
  4. Max Power Got The Touch Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2011
    Messages:
    11,748
    Likes Received:
    12
    Fedor never lost to Werdum.:)

    [​IMG]

    Look at Fabricio's shoulders!
     
  5. eiyuu Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2008
    Messages:
    10,868
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Fighting City of Philadelphia
    Because there's such a thing as sweeps, submissions, KO's from the ground (it has happened!)
     
  6. YesMySon Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Messages:
    1,756
    Likes Received:
    0
    3 seconds he was down
     
  7. Minowaman Fan Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2015
    Messages:
    213
    Likes Received:
    0
    Adding pinfalls would make grappling more interesting? It would make submissions from the bottom even more of a rarity.

    I have a better idea to minimize boring lay n pray. Allow knees to the head of a downed opponent.
     
  8. Kim Jong Un Absolute Boss

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    2,628
    Likes Received:
    11
    Location:
    평양
    I agree from a traditional martial arts perspective. If you are pinned down you are totally neutralized and pose next to no threat. If you land on your back from a takedown you would have very likely broken your back on rocks, concrete or hard earth. A soldier could easily stab you with no risk of being harmed. The only reason a guard is a threat is because you can use prolonged periods of time to create setups, which from a martial perspective is unrealistic. The guard is also the sole reason why most new viewers become uninterested or uncomfortable when watching MMA. No guard = no room to stall. You either engage a scramble or lose.
     
  9. jei Danger Zone Admin Staff Member Forum Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    36,373
    Likes Received:
    275
    Location:
    The Danger Zone
    If we add that, why not a standing 8 count, or the traditional 10 count? If a guy is knocked down, blah blah blah bad reasoning not a good idea move on to something else.
     
  10. eseseses681 Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2014
    Messages:
    1,763
    Likes Received:
    0
    So Miguel Torres, Carlos Condit, Antonio Nogueira, Fabricio Werdum, and Mamed Khalidov would've lost a lot of the fights they've won, since they're fine with being on the bottom for extended periods of time?
    Chael Sonnen would've beaten Anderson Silva in less than a round with this rule!
     
  11. MilesAbove Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2013
    Messages:
    22,498
    Likes Received:
    32
    While we're at it, remove strikes and BJJ, and make pinfalls the only way to finish. And everyone wears a singlet. Lets also change the name to "wrestling".


    pinfalls would perpetuate the myth that being on the bottom is bad.... which is the biggest load of BS since 12/6 elbows being outlawed.
     
  12. Lamfadha Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Messages:
    1,544
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    New Zealand
    They have this rule in Combat Sambo if you get Ippon'd like in Judo you lose. So suggestion go watch Combat Sambo. SAMBOFIAS youtube channel is the bomb.
     
  13. YesMySon Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Messages:
    1,756
    Likes Received:
    0
    thanks bro. Haters, mad cause I invented combat sambo
     
  14. YesMySon Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Messages:
    1,756
    Likes Received:
    0
    maybe its me id like to see a promotion do this kind of like shootboxing but with this rule.
     
  15. Violent Violin G String Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    4,232
    Likes Received:
    41
    Location:
    Bedroom Window
    This is dumb as shit
     
  16. ThunderL1ps Red Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    8,386
    Likes Received:
    12
    There are hold downs/pins in judo.

    I could see this for some sort of amateur MMA, maybe. I dunno.

    I'd rather see quicker standups. It is clear that "being busy" is often a euphemism for throwing strikes that aren't doing damage or wiggling around acting like the fighter on top is working to pass guard/improve position.

    If I wanted to watch some dry humping, I'd watch videos of GSP fights or "dark ages" UFC.
     
  17. BeardotheWeirdo Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2006
    Messages:
    11,764
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Earth: We're All One
    I don't necessarily agree, but this post was interesting. Made me think
     
  18. EndlessCritic Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2013
    Messages:
    23,047
    Likes Received:
    124
    It's almost as if fighters on the bottom know they don't need to try to get up, because if they can create inactivity, they'll be rewarded with standups.

    Standing fighters up from inactivity doesn't promote action. It promotes inactivity.
     
  19. YesMySon Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Messages:
    1,756
    Likes Received:
    0
    good point. a stand up would promote action most of the time. If you are pinned just stand them up. I mean i think it should be a stoppage but a stand up is fine.
     
  20. PRIDEWASBETTER Whatever it takes Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    28,490
    Likes Received:
    14
    Location:
    United States of America
    BJM fucking up another finish.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.