I have a hard time seeing DDP beat Chimaev

[fortheo]

I mean I did say in comparison to Khamzat, his wrestling is nothing to write home about. I'm aware of what he did to Bobby but Bobby even managed to take him down. There's not a cat in hell's chance of someone like Whittaker even taking Khamzat down. He wouldn't even go there.

Yes, his wrestling was quite impressive against Adesanya but stylistically, anyone who can grapple would be tough for Adesanya's upright Kickboxing style.

I thought Brunson won nearly every grappling exchange, it's just they both gassed badly AND 39 year old Brunson gassed even harder.

I agree, it's the first 2 rounds that would give Khamzat the significant grappling advantage, after that all bets are off.

Maybe Khamzat gasses badly and is then a sitting duck, or perhaps, the heavy grappling exchanges compromise and fatigue DDP to a level we haven't seen against the strikers he has predominately faced.

Bobby took him down and landed in a guillotine, dricus immediately got back up. Brunson took dricus down landing in side control, dricus transitioned to the empty Half and then uses a pendulum swing to escape side control and get half guard against brunson before wrestling back up to his feet. Everything brunson did in the wrestling, dricus had an answer for. And for what it's worth, brunson was a bigger and better wrestler than anyone Chimaev has faced, and he was a wrestler who actually still heavily relied on wrestling in his fights, contrary to usman in his later career.

Who has Khamzat so thoroughly outgrappled in MMA to make you think so much more highly of him? Whittaker? dricus already did that. Short notice aging Usman, a guy who hardly wrestles anymore and had just been taken down and had his back taken by a british kickboxer? Holland? leech?

Again, I agree that Chimaev is the better grappler, but you're acting like the difference in their abilities is enormous, and I'm not so sure, especially when you consider how important physical size is in grappling exchanges.

 

[Rektkid]

Bobby took him down and landed in a guillotine, dricus immediately got back up. Brunson took dricus down landing in side control, dricus transitioned to the empty Half and then uses a pendulum swing to escape side control and get half guard against brunson before wrestling back up to his feet. Everything brunson did in the wrestling, dricus had an answer for. And for what it's worth, brunson was a bigger and better wrestler than anyone Chimaev has faced, and he was a wrester who actually still heavily relied on wrestling in his fights, contrary to usman in his later career.

Who has Khamzat so thoroughly outgrappled in MMA to make you think so much more highly of him? Whittaker? dricus already did that. Short notice aging Usman, a guy who hardly wrestles anymore and had just been taken down and had his back taken by a british kickboxer? Holland? leech?

Again, I agree that Chimaev is the better grappler, but you're acting like the difference in their abilities is enormous, and I'm not so sure, especially when you consider how important physical size is in grappling exchanges.

I think the difference is huge and I'm prepared to be wrong on this, time will tell. Perhaps Khamzat hasn't faced anyone of the wrestling pedigree of Bunson in UFC, BUT, the most notable thing to me, is, when Khamzat grapples someone, it's like they don't belong in that realm. The difference is shocking.

DDP, on the other hand it's more back and forth, even someone like Till was giving as good as he was getting. The all round package DDP brings is remarkable, he's a physical beast, and his greatest strengths are probably his heart and determination but the wrestling is not comparable to Khamzat. Khamzat is brutal and I don't think we've even seen the best of his wrestling and submission game, yet.

The patient, striking heavy gameplan DDP employed successfully against Strickland is a risky game against Khamzat who will shoot like a maniac the moment there's an opening.

 

[fortheo]

I think the difference is huge and I'm prepared to be wrong on this, time will tell. Perhaps Khamzat hasn't faced anyone of the wrestling pedigree of Bunson in UFC, BUT, the most notable thing to me, is, when Khamzat grapples someone, it's like they don't belong in that realm. The difference is shocking.

DDP, on the other hand it's more back and forth, even someone like Till was giving as good as he was getting. The all round package DDP brings is remarkable, he's a physical beast, and his greatest strengths are probably his heart and determination but the wrestling is not comparable to Khamzat. Khamzat is brutal and I don't think we've even seen the best of his wrestling and submission game, yet.

The patient, striking heavy gameplan DDP employed successfully against Strickland is a risky game against Khamzat who will shoot like a maniac the moment there's an opening.

Till absolutely got demolished in the grappling. It was a 10- 8 round where he spent 4 minutes with his hand trapped. I feel like we're watching different fights. but we can agree to disagree, even though we both agree khamzat is a better grappler.

Anyways, you don't need to be the better grappler to threaten takedowns. We see worse wrestlers takedown better wrestlers in mma all the time. The fact of the matter is that we've never seen anyone even really try to grapple with khamzat. The only one who really tried was burns, who Khamzat didn't want to grapple with.

Khamzat, like dricus, spent most their careers fighting guys who didn't want to grapple, with the exceptions of Brunson (who dricus gladly grappled), and burns (who Chimaev self admittedly didn't want to grapple).

All I'm saying is that dricus, unlike chimaev's past opponents, will not be afraid to offensively grapple with Chimaev and that's a new wrinkle for Chimaev to think about.

 

[cmw43]

Imo, it's really quite simple.

Round 1 - DDP must survive or Khamzat wins.
Round 2 - 50/50
Round 3+ - DDP wins

Khamzat lost round 2 against Burns and Usman.

I think he goes so hard in the first round he's gotta regain his strength in the second. If DDP can drag him to the Championship rounds he's gonna be in for a long night.

 

[Dorkman]

I see it the opposite. I have a hard time seeing khamzat finish dricus within 10 minutes. And if he dosent I believe khamzat is a sitting duck. Khamzat likely taking the first 2 rounds. But we haven't seen a fight with khamzat yet where he's gotten past the 10 minute mark and still looked good. And dricus is the biggest, strongest, and most durable guy he'll have fought to date.

 

[Rektkid]

Till absolutely got demolished in the grappling. It was a 10- 8 round where he spent 4 minutes with his hand trapped. I feel like we're watching different fights. but we can agree to disagree, even though we both agree khamzat is a better grappler.

Anyways, you don't need to be the better grappler to threaten takedowns. We see worse wrestlers takedown better wrestlers in mma all the time. The fact of the matter is that we've never seen anyone even really try to grapple with khamzat. The only one who really tried was burns, who Khamzat didn't want to grapple with.

Khamzat, like dricus, spent most their careers fighting guys who didn't want to grapple, with the exceptions of Brunson (who dricus gladly grappled), and burns (who Chimaev self admittedly didn't want to grapple).

All I'm saying is that dricus, unlike chimaev's past opponents, will not be afraid to offensively grapple with Chimaev and that's a new wrinkle for Chimaev to think about.

Sorry, you're right, Till got soundly beaten in the wrestling although he was lighting a gassed DDP up in the second round. Otherwise, I respect and agree with a lot of your points.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Obviously I might end up needing to order a buffet portion of crow but after that Rob performance, I don't see DDP making it out of the 2nd round. Obviously if he can weather that storm then I heavily favor him winning a decision. DDP does seem to be steadily improving and I was impressed yesterday with the variety of strikes and the fact that his style was less plodding than usual.

Unfortunately we might only see this fight in October given that high profile Daggies prefer fighting in the Daggy ''Kingdom'', and because they seem to have a different gravity over there for scale calibration.

How do you see it going?

IDK. I find DDP pretty questionable technically but he s specimen. I don t think Khamzat can finish him in the first and his cardio is questionable starting in mid R2

 

[Conan the K-9]

Till absolutely got demolished in the grappling. It was a 10- 8 round where he spent 4 minutes with his hand trapped. I feel like we're watching different fights. but we can agree to disagree, even though we both agree khamzat is a better grappler.

Anyways, you don't need to be the better grappler to threaten takedowns. We see worse wrestlers takedown better wrestlers in mma all the time. The fact of the matter is that we've never seen anyone even really try to grapple with khamzat. The only one who really tried was burns, who Khamzat didn't want to grapple with.

Khamzat, like dricus, spent most their careers fighting guys who didn't want to grapple, with the exceptions of Brunson (who dricus gladly grappled), and burns (who Chimaev self admittedly didn't want to grapple).

All I'm saying is that dricus, unlike chimaev's past opponents, will not be afraid to offensively grapple with Chimaev and that's a new wrinkle for Chimaev to think about.

It does bother me a bit, that hazmat somehow skipped all the grapplers (Vieira, Muniz, Hermansson, Caio, Roman, even Brunno) at MW and didn’t get tested or got a possibility to show his ground skills against his size of opponents.

 

[KungFuCow]

Sorry, you're right, Till got soundly beaten in the wrestling although he was lighting a gassed DDP up in the second round. Otherwise, I respect and agree with a lot of your points.

Keep in mind that was before DDP had sinus surgery and he claims that fixed his cardio issues and so far thats been true.

 

[rightfight777]

Don't be surprised if Khamzat gives DDP difficulty in the striking game. His striking has improved and DDP is not nearly as good a striker as everyone thinks. Strickland had so many opportunities to counter for the kill but fought like a sheep. Khamzat fights like a wolf.

 

[mister piscadinha]

people talk about dricus winning a decision as if a guy who got rocked by durinho multiple times can go five rounds with him

dricus will get taken down, then get up and ko khamzat

 

[mister piscadinha]

this fight will expose how incapable of analyzing mma most of sherdoggers are

 

[Herwald]

If you listen to Sean Strickland haters, DDP went to a decision with an atrocious version of Sean. Add to it, he got taken down by Brunson...

It's not looking good for DDP, I'm sorry.

 

[Rubios]

Don't be surprised if Khamzat gives DDP difficulty in the striking game. His striking has improved and DDP is not nearly as good a striker as everyone thinks. Strickland had so many opportunities to counter for the kill but fought like a sheep. Khamzat fights like a wolf.

If the fight keeps standing for long instances, DDP absolutely pieces him up to a lopsided decision or TKOs Khamzat.

 

[Rektkid]

Till absolutely got demolished in the grappling. It was a 10- 8 round where he spent 4 minutes with his hand trapped. I feel like we're watching different fights. but we can agree to disagree, even though we both agree khamzat is a better grappler.

Anyways, you don't need to be the better grappler to threaten takedowns. We see worse wrestlers takedown better wrestlers in mma all the time. The fact of the matter is that we've never seen anyone even really try to grapple with khamzat. The only one who really tried was burns, who Khamzat didn't want to grapple with.

Khamzat, like dricus, spent most their careers fighting guys who didn't want to grapple, with the exceptions of Brunson (who dricus gladly grappled), and burns (who Chimaev self admittedly didn't want to grapple).

All I'm saying is that dricus, unlike chimaev's past opponents, will not be afraid to offensively grapple with Chimaev and that's a new wrinkle for Chimaev to think about.

Sorry, you're right, Till got soundly beaten in the wrestling although he was lighting a gassed DDP up in the second round. Otherwise, I respect and agree with a lot of your points.

Keep in mind that was before DDP had sinus surgery and he claims that fixed his cardio issues and so far thats been true.

Has it though? He's not really faced someone who's attempted to offensively wrestle with him since those fights. He put on a clinic against Strickland who was alarmingly stationary BUT Dricus was still blowing pretty hard.

 

[muaythaibeast]

Whitaker took down DDP, look what Khamzat did to Whitaker in grappling.

I think Khamzat runs through him, but DDP has surprised me again and again

Gustafson took down Jones, therefore he should have had no trouble with Cormier. That isn't how it works.

 

[Elegant]

DDP will be the first elite opponent in their prime Khamzat has faced, combine that with the stylistic challenge DDP presents to him, I believe Khamzat will age as one of DDPs easier title defenses when his reign comes to an end

 

[muaythaibeast]

Khamzats one chance to win is to submit a man who hasn't been submitted in over 10 years, and he must do it inside 2 rounds.
He's obviously an exceptional grappler, and will most likely dominate rounds 1, but if Dricus sees the start of round 3 he almost certainly wins this fight.
DDP is the most underrated guy in the sport. I'm not saying Khamzat can't win, but writing DDP off is insane.

 

[188912345]

Khamzats one chance to win is to submit a man who hasn't been submitted in over 10 years, and he must do it inside 2 rounds.
He's obviously an exceptional grappler, and will most likely dominate rounds 1, but if Dricus sees the start of round 3 he almost certainly wins this fight.
DDP is the most underrated guy in the sport. I'm not saying Khamzat can't win, but writing DDP off is insane.

Why do you think he only could win by submission, when he also has KO/TKO, and decision wins? People are running wild with that narrative, and it all seems based on Khamzat not finishing Usman and Burns.

Of Khamzat and DDP, only one of them have been finished (twice) in the later rounds, and it isn't Khamzat.

Strickland survived 5 rounds with Dricus, as did Brad Tavares. Why couldnt Khamzat do it?

Burns and Usman got him to round 3, neither of them came close to finishing him in that 3rd round. In fact, Khamzat won the 3rd round on a majority of score cards. Against Burns he even had a higher output than in round 2.

Why do people think Dricus will be as fresh in the later rounds after wrestling/grappling vs Khamzat, as he was after mostly striking against Strickland or Adesanya?

Why is Dricus getting overly praised for his later rounds finishing ability, when all his late round finishes are against opponents Khamzat would be odds on to finish before round 2?

I favor Khamzat to win, either by finish or decision.

If Dricus wins, I think it's more likely that it's a finish.

I hope we get to see a competitive fight with no controversial ending. Would love for it to go the 3rd round so we can get the cardio question answered once and for all.

 

[RichardHarrow]

There's something wrong with your vision?