I dont understand striking...

[Ogata]

speed and reflexes have much more to do with striking than BJJ. like liddell loved to say, anyone can "just get caught", but it's a lot harder to "catch" a BJJ expert with a submission because (usually) a lot more setup is required.

Thats fair to say I guess, its just disheartening to see a seasoned striker losing to a noob striker with limited striking technique.

 

[J. Bernie Cunningham]

Lightning will dance in the sky thousands of times before striking a field and killing 50 sheep. Is it an expert sheep killer or lucky?

In MMA one wild, sloppy hook can be worth more than 20 perfectly thrown jabs. The scale for good/bad striking is entirely dependent on why it's being done. In MMA if it hurts the other person, it's good striking.

 

[J85909266]

Striking has more to do with reflexes, speed, timing and pure luck. Things like power and reflexes are mostly genetic. The luck factor is also huge. Your opponent can be just as much the reason he got KOed as you that threw the punch because he looked the wrong way or threw the wrong strike. There are a million variables in every striking exchange.

Grappling, on the other hand, is much more slow and deliberate. There is more time to think about how to defend and what to do next.

 

[Spiderbite]

Training ups the odds significantly in your favor, but a punch can still knock you out, regardless who's throwing it.

 

[Grimlin1221]

I see a lot of stuff on here that doesn't exactly hit the mark. And superior grapplers get beaten all the time. Maybe not by white belts but a purple or a brown tapping a black belt isn't at all unheard of. Weidman may not be the best striker but he has mastered the fundamentals especially his timing. He'll likely never have amazing footwork like Cruz or the arsenal Wonderboy has but at this point he can rely on his athleticism to make his fundamental skills effective.

 

[BJ@LW&WW]

i would say speed and reaction time are a lot more crucial to striking arts than grappling ones. not to say you dont need those for grappling, just at a different degree of importance.

one good strike can finish a fight and is essentially a single instance of a coordinated technique.

a submission typically requires the coordination of techniques in multiple instances, making a fortuitous submission a lot less likely to occur than a fortuitous knock out.

 

[laleggenda27]

1. Different people have different levels of natural talent.
2. Striking is different in the sense that there's the element of a "puncher's chance."
3. MMA striking is completely different. Especially the threat of take downs, which completely changes the game.

 

[TheWobbler]

Weidman outstruck Silva in 4 out of 4 rounds though...

Anderson was more interested in being stupid then throwing punches. Some fights he hardly threw anything for the first 2 minutes or more.

 

[Tseren**]

Anderson was more interested in being stupid then throwing punches. Some fights he hardly threw anything for the first 2 minutes or more.

Are you sure that he's not just an overrated juice-head whose effectiveness downgrades significantly when his opponents aren't batshit terrified of his stand-up?

 

[HHJ]

Are you sure that he's not just an overrated juice-head whose effectiveness downgrades significantly when his opponents aren't batshit terrified of his stand-up?

No. As a big fan of Weidman,you cannot wrap up Anderson Silva that way. If they were terrified,they had every reason to be.

 

[Eater of Souls]

How long is a piece of string?

 

[cumafish]

Talent ?

/thread

 

[TGArthur]

cant understand striking? want someone to draw you a picture?

If you can do one in MS Paint, I'd greatly appreciate it

 

[sapporo ichiban]

Talent ?

This is the answer.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Jon Jones is a white belt. He has the record for most submission wins in LHW history. Most of them against black belts.

That's because he's actually a very accomplished submission grappler and excellent wrestler.
He also beats guys up before subbing them.

Lots of guys who aren't ranked in BJJ can hang with black belts.
Joe Lauzon, Frank Shamrock, Alpha Male guys, Jeremy Horn, Matt Hughes, Sakuraba, Melvin Guillard, and Romero don't sweat it when they end up on the mat with a black belt.

 

[Rico]

4oz gloves and the added element of worrying about grappling evens the playing field quite a bit

 

[usernamee]

Same reason 35 year olds, working hard their entire life can't cut it in the NHL and 18-19 year old kids can come in and play for keeps

 

[Paynebringer]

Some people are natural genetic strikers, others need to be taught, shown, and practiced. In the end anybody can get caught from professional fighter to the Crown & Anchor doorman.

 

[MCS]

Striking is more dangerous and most UFC fighters know how to throw a punch and understand distance. Then you have natural talent like power & speed, which makes up for a lot. And that the level of striking in the UFC isn't as high as the level of grappling (though it's become much better lately). But when you have an elite striker like Overeem, yes, he has a weak chin and can be KO'd, but he also has the highest striking accuracy in UFC history and outlands every fighter he faces.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

That's because he's actually a very accomplished submission grappler and excellent wrestler.
He also beats guys up before subbing them.

Lots of guys who aren't ranked in BJJ can hang with black belts.
Joe Lauzon, Frank Shamrock, Alpha Male guys, Jeremy Horn, Matt Hughes, Sakuraba, Melvin Guillard, and Romero don't sweat it when they end up on the mat with a black belt.

Lol at Guillard.