I don't understand how some sherbros find Wonderboy boring

He should start kicking people in the head again?

Dude has not finished anyone in 7 years. He has one of the most feared kicks in MMA and always forgets to use it.

The problem with Wonderboy is Wonderboy. Don't blame fans for his slack arsery. It is not our fault he lost his killer instinct. We all know he is capable of more.
 
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He's the definition of an elite striker, with some of the cleanest technics in MMA.

NO, he is NOT an "elite" striker. I'd call him experienced, high-level, but elite is a longshot. I hate to say it, but the Karate talent pool is fairly shallow and lacks a lot of depth compared to the depth and skill ceiling scene in boxing, kickboxing and Muay Thai. Generally, top Karate guys don't often don't make it far in Kickboxing, bar a few names (Hiroki Akimoto is probably the best modern example. Daniel Vargas is great, but didn't dominate against kickboxing's best. Tenshin is super elite, but gave up Karate as a kid). Wonderboy is great but not "elite". I'm a Wonderboy fan in MMA because I always root for the striking specialists, but I acknowledge the fact that he's nowhere near "elite" as far as being a striker goes.

Frankly, Izzy and Pereira just barely make that classification either, but they are the closest we got to it right now (in the UFC). Izzy actually lost to most of the ranked kickboxers he faced. Pereira did beat all of the guys who defeated Izzy, and he won two Glory belts but here's the thing:

1. The divisions both Pereira and Izzy fought in (including the two Glory divisions Pereira won belts in) are some of the most shallow in kickboxing. Basically MW all the way to HW in kickboxing has a limited and fairly shallow talent pool, and compared to the lighter divisions is pretty ass. When you look at kickboxing and Muay Thai at 150lbs and below, suddenly the fighter quality is comparable to boxing's most elite.
2. Glory Kickboxing has gone downhill for years, and most of the heavier talent (guys at 170lbs all the way to heavyweight) is fairly scattered among a few promotions. Winning a Glory belt is great, but isn't as amazing as it was some years ago when they held more of the talent.

The problem is that Joe Rogan and fellow commentators spent YEARS overhyping the striking ability of the UFC roster, when only now we realize how mediocre most "MMA strikers" are when facing real striking specialists who no longer have grappling deficits. So really, UFC set the bar for striking real low for a long ass time, and you realize how all those "world class striker" comments thrown around UFC commentary were just bullshit marketing efforts. Only now we're actually beginning to see something in the realm of "elite striking" in MMA. Outstriking Masvidal, Neal, and Luque is no special accomplishment for a legit striking veteran because those dudes are neither high level nor elite in that skillset.

You wanna see elite strikers, watch boxing, Muay Thai, or One FC's kickboxing (their Muay Thai is really fucking good too). Or wait until Cedric Doumbé can finally fight in the UFC..
 
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yeah thats sooo boring
id rather have some guy humpin the other horizontally
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Wonderboy is a great, fin, respectful athlete
really stands by himself in the freakshow ufc has become
 
Technical / tactical doesn't mean boring. Machida and Anderson are counter strikers who can be temptative or tactical at Times. I've never been bored watching them. You can't be bored witnessing great things

1. Telling other people what they can and can't be bored of is a fool's errand, and also the reason for your purported confusion.
2. Tactical/technical fighters are often boring. Good tactics and good technique are inherently interesting, but fighters characterized as tactical or technical can be passive or defensive during fights.
3. I'm one of the biggest Machida fans you'll ever meet, but several of his fights were boring for long stretches. An example would be his fight with Rampage, which he lost mainly due to inactivity. He preferred doing nothing to doing something less than perfect, so when the perfect opportunity didn't present itself, he did nothing. And doing nothing is boring and frustrating to watch.
4. Anderson was a killer, but he had a few stinkers. His fights Maia and vs Leites were both lame.
 
I'm just sad he adjusted nothing for the 2nd Woodley fight.
 
It is tough to recover from a fight that set a record for least strikes thrown
 
He’s a bland American fighter and his fanbase has tried to push him on us for years. There’s nothing remotely interesting about him as a fighter or a person.
He's a complete stereotype breaker. He has unique fighting style and he doesn't come from a ghetto background. He's also not a trash talking loudmouth, which really separates him from the pack.
 
This fight has the potential to be WB's last. I enjoyed his career, but the reality is that his peak was from 2014 - 2017.
 
He's a complete stereotype breaker. He has unique fighting style and he doesn't come from a ghetto background. He's also not a trash talking loudmouth, which really separates him from the pack.

He's a great guy and an excellent role model. Definitely doesn't fall into the douchey meathead jock persona that American media likes to push often (which really appeals to those Just Bleed casuals and the pro wrestling fanbase). He actually behaves like someone who One FC would strongly promote.

I enjoy watching him because he is a legit technical striker with great fight IQ, and is a good character overall.
 
The majority of people that watch MMA are filthy animals that want nothing other than bloodshed. They don’t appreciate the art.
 
NO, he is NOT an "elite" striker. I'd call him experienced, high-level, but elite is a longshot. I hate to say it, but the Karate talent pool is fairly shallow and lacks a lot of depth compared to the depth and skill ceiling scene in boxing, kickboxing and Muay Thai. Generally, top Karate guys don't often don't make it far in Kickboxing, bar a few names (Hiroki Akimoto is probably the best modern example. Daniel Vargas is great, but didn't dominate against kickboxing's best. Tenshin is super elite, but gave up Karate as a kid). Wonderboy is great but not "elite". I'm a Wonderboy fan in MMA because I always root for the striking specialists, but I acknowledge the fact that he's nowhere near "elite" as far as being a striker goes.

Frankly, Izzy and Pereira just barely make that classification either, but they are the closest we got to it right now (in the UFC). Izzy actually lost to most of the ranked kickboxers he faced. Pereira did beat all of the guys who defeated Izzy, and he won two Glory belts but here's the thing:

1. The divisions both Pereira and Izzy fought in (including the two Glory divisions Pereira won belts in) are some of the most shallow in kickboxing. Basically MW all the way to HW in kickboxing has a limited and fairly shallow talent pool, and compared to the lighter divisions is pretty ass. When you look at kickboxing and Muay Thai at 150lbs and below, suddenly the fighter quality is comparable to boxing's most elite.
2. Glory Kickboxing has gone downhill for years, and most of the heavier talent (guys at 170lbs all the way to heavyweight) is fairly scattered among a few promotions. Winning a Glory belt is great, but isn't as amazing as it was some years ago when they held more of the talent.

The problem is that Joe Rogan and fellow commentators spent YEARS overhyping the striking ability of the UFC roster, when only now we realize how mediocre most "MMA strikers" are when facing real striking specialists who no longer have grappling deficits. So really, UFC set the bar for striking real low for a long ass time, and you realize how all those "world class striker" comments thrown around UFC commentary were just bullshit marketing efforts. Only now we're actually beginning to see something in the realm of "elite striking" in MMA. Outstriking Masvidal, Neal, and Luque is no special accomplishment for a legit striking veteran because those dudes are neither high level nor elite in that skillset.

You wanna see elite strikers, watch boxing, Muay Thai, or One FC's kickboxing (their Muay Thai is really fucking good too). Or wait until Cedric Doumbé can finally fight in the UFC..

Well Wonderboy had tons of experience in kickboxing tournaments before UFC so that kinda invalidates the wall of text you wrote
 
I feel he took more chances early in his career and was getting finishes, then at some point switched to a point fighting safe style and most fights since then are boring.
 
Lot of it stems from the second woodley fight. But he does have his performances where he's content to just peck at his opponent from distance as he aged taking minimal risk. Overall though he's been a fun fighter to watch.
 
I love him.

If he had more dog in him, he could've been champ.

I think him being a decent fella hurt his career, but overall made his life better.
 
His fight with Luque was great fun to watch.
My goodness. Somehow I had never watched this fight. What an amazing performance. By both. Warriors. You can't not appreciate both of them. Fantastic.
If Wonderboy had just a little more pop in his hands, he'd be unstoppable.
Against Machida at 185, some 5(10?) years ago... Such lightning speed would generate enough electricity to light up a stadium.
 
It is tough to recover from a fight that set a record for least strikes thrown
Severn vs Shamrock. Tho they couldn't strike.
So Carlos Newton Vs that gracie who got his arm broken by Sakuraba. They were flipping and flopping everywhere in a great scrambling match. I haven't watched in years. I'll rewatch now and highly recommend it.
 
I love him.

If he had more dog in him, he could've been champ.

I think him being a decent fella hurt his career, but overall made his life better.
Dude ate a lot of leather from Luque and eventually started to walk forwards and throw his patented 1-2, risking eating those bombs. Being a dog would hurt his chances more than help em. Having heart and gritt doesn't mean you shouldn't win via mastery if you can.
 

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