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I don't normally agree with republicans....

Didn't al gore win the popular vote?
 
Of course its rigged. There is absolutely nothing in the constitution about delgates and this 2 party bull$hit. THe heads of the Dem and Repub party can do whatever they want, basically. The point of this whole thing is finding out which one of their guys/gals has the best chance of winning the general election. But Sanders and Trump kinda mess this up.
 
For those that might not watch the video:

Bernie Sanders won again Saturday — and still lost.

The Vermont senator took Wyoming by an impressive 12 percentage-point margin in statewide caucuses, beating Hillary Clinton 56-44 percent.

But under the Democratic Party’s oddball delegate system, Sanders’ winning streak — he has won seven out of the past eight contests — counts for little.

In fact, despite his win, he splits Wyoming’s 14 pledged delegates 7 to 7 under the caucus calculus.

Clinton, meanwhile, also gets the state’s four superdelegates — who had already pledged their allegiance to her in January. So despite “losing,” she triumphs 11-7 in the delegate tally.

Of the 500 superdelegates who have announced whom they’re supporting, 469 say they’re for Clinton.

That makes Sanders’ win in the Cowboy State and in caucuses and primaries across the country little more than a morale boost — and maybe a cruel joke to his ardent young supporters.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/09/bernie-sanders-wins-democratic-caucuses-in-wyoming/[/QUOTE
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That's how the party does business in Wyoming. http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/WY-D is a little confusing, but it explains the state process. This stuff comes up every four years and people are surprised at how little the states care about the wishes of their people.
 
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the whole shit house will go up in flames and a New Republican Party will be born sans super delegates.
 
m52nickerson said:
That is because of the way delegates are chosen in the state. Not hard to understand.
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Furthermore, people are acting like Bernie is getting more votes but not more delegates. Not even close to true. He actually has a higher percentage of delegates than he does of votes. The system so far (aside from the superdelegates) has actually given him an advantage relative to a more-democratic one.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Furthermore, people are acting like Bernie is getting more votes but not more delegates. Not even close to true. He actually has a higher percentage of delegates than he does of votes. The system so far (aside from the superdelegates) has actually given him an advantage relative to a more-democratic one.
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Explain that because he won the vote by 12 points, but ended up with fewer delegates.

What am I missing here?
 
BVG said:
Explain that because he won the vote by 12 points, but ended up with fewer delegates.

What am I missing here?
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It's just a reporting thing. They're combining super delegates with regular ones.

But, look, Clinton so far has 9.4 million total votes, while Sanders has 6.9 million. If Sanders were winning that race, he'd get more superdelegates, too. As I said before, the reason that Sanders isn't winning the delegate race is that not as many voters want him to win. I understand that upsetting you, but your problem isn't that there's an undemocratic system; it's the opposite.
 
BVG said:
Explain that because he won the vote by 12 points, but ended up with fewer delegates.

What am I missing here?
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That is because delegates are assigned from each county, not for the total state. So much like the electoral college you can win more delegates while less overall votes.
 
Jack V Savage said:
It's just a reporting thing. They're combining super delegates with regular ones.

But, look, Clinton so far has 9.4 million total votes, while Sanders has 6.9 million. If Sanders were winning that race, he'd get more superdelegates, too. As I said before, the reason that Sanders isn't winning the delegate race is that not as many voters want him to win. I understand that upsetting you, but your problem isn't that there's an undemocratic system; it's the opposite.
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We have a state here where he wont by 12 percentage points...but ended up with less delegates from that state. your answer went to the current running total. Explain how you win the vote of the state by 12 percentage points but end up with less of the delegates needed to become the nominee?

Stick to the State.

So far as I know, the video is correct in that the delegate total didn't reflect the popular vote total for that state, thus making all the votes of the people of that State useless.

You are relying on the hope that the democratic party super delegate bullshit swings their vote over should Bernie eventually achieve the popular vote...but are ignoring the video which showcases how within this State, the delegate total doesn't reflect the vote total.
 
BVG said:
Explain that because he won the vote by 12 points, but ended up with fewer delegates.

What am I missing here?
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Worth noting that Wyoming only has one congressional district. Like m52nickerson said, they break it into counties instead of congressional districts or a no-nonsense statewide vote. Only 8 of WY's 18 delegates are actually bound to a candidate (by popular support) right now. A further 6 will be officially bound in May at the WY state convention, and this year those 6 will be divided up proportionally (they are already soft pledged). The remaining 4 will be unbound until the national convention, but they have already soft pledged to Hillary.

They both got the same number of delegates because Hillary got just enough popular support that when the delegates are divided up by math, she gets half in a proportional system. Had Sanders won by a few more % points, he would have gotten about 4 more delegates total.
 
Work Play said:
Worth noting that Wyoming only has one congressional district. Like m52nickerson said, they break it into counties instead of congressional districts or a no-nonsense statewide vote. Only 8 of WY's 18 delegates are actually bound to a candidate (by popular support) right now. A further 6 will be officially bound in May at the WY state convention, and this year those 6 will be divided up proportionally (they are already soft pledged). The remaining 4 will be unbound until the national convention, but they have already soft pledged to Hillary.

They both got the same number of delegates because Hillary got just enough popular support that when the delegates are divided up by math, she gets half in a proportional system. Had Sanders won by a few more % points, he would have gotten about 4 more delegates total.
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So to win he needed to win by more than 12 percent? lol...
 
BVG said:
We have a state here where he wont by 12 percentage points...but ended up with less delegates from that state. your answer went to the current running total. Explain how you win the vote of the state by 12 percentage points but end up with less of the delegates needed to become the nominee?

Stick to the State.

So far as I know, the video is correct in that the delegate total didn't reflect the popular vote total for that state, thus making all the votes of the people of that State useless.

You are relying on the hope that the democratic party super delegate bullshit swings their vote over should Bernie eventually achieve the popular vote...but are ignoring the video which showcases how within this State, the delegate total doesn't reflect the vote total.
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You wont get an answer from JVS that isnt a shill response for the elites. The real answer is that the system is set up in such a way that if it looks like a candidate that the elites cant control might win, then they have a way of manipulating the process in order to have the puppet they want to win.
 
BVG said:
So to win he needed to win by more than 12 percent? lol...
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Correct. His lead was only enough to capture 4 of 8 at the county level, and 3 of 6 at the state level. He got ~4.45 delegates (of the 8 at county level) if you do the math, not enough to round up to 5. Then it's the same story for the remaining 6 delegates, they chop up 3 to 3. Had they divided all 14 at once, instead of dividing into 8 and then into 6, he would have taken 8 delegates to 6, but still might have lost all 4 unpledged delegates, who could have put Hillary ahead 10-8.
 
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