I don't get JJ bulking up to HW...

[OldBoy91]

I don't get why he spent 3 years bulking up to HW, only to come back weighing the same as before, and exclusively calling out old retired men and people from his old division that he just moved up from.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

He allegedly spent years bulking up to HW.

At LHW he fought around 220.

At HW he fights around 240.

Visually he looks absolutely the same in terms of musculature, but with an additional layer of fat and a rather prominent gut ... which, on a 6'4" man it's easily 15-20 pounds of fat.

So he spent years bulking up to HW to gain <5 pounds of muscle? Like ... totally pointless.

Adding muscle is not nearly as easy as people think. Specially if he was adding some sauce in his food early in his career.

Sherdoggers think adding 20lbs of muscle is something a trained professional athlete could do in a few months. Most never touched a weight or put on a glove in their life.

Jones looks basically the same but fatter. Which is great because muscles don't win fights but gas you earlier.

 

[kingghidrah]

His gut is due to lack of proper ab exercises

and of course, the HGH

 

[TheBulge]

Anatomy lesson:
A 6' 4" man who's already a fairly lean 220 won't show much of 20 more lbs of type 2 fiber muscle on the surface.

A powerlifters Type 2 muscle fibers don't show oop on teh surface like teh body builder's type 1 fibers... & it looks like Jon's been "lifting heavy" for strength rather than flashy looking muscles. His gut is due to lack of proper ab exercises & makes zero indication about the muscle spread around his body.

You can be assured that Jones works his abs/core very extensively otherwise he'd be running the dumbest camp you can imagine. The gut is the fat storage, there's plenty of muscle underneath.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

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[SirRealKiller]

lol. No. Just no.

No, what?

He is correct. More muscle requires more oxygen. Big beefy dudes generally do not have the greatest endurance.

There are exceptions, Mark Coleman was pretty built at 235ish and generally had a good gas tank but he came from wrestling where you have to have good stamina.

But generally speaking a big musclebound dude would be at a disadvantage.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

OP you do understand literally every HW carries a fair amount of body fat, right? Even true HW's like Francis, Blaydes, Tom, Gane, Pav, they all carry a fair amount of body fat. No guy that size is going to be walking around cut and lean unless they are a body builder.

 

[SuperNerd]

I think there are a lot of factors.

He didn't bulk as easily or as well as he hoped.

He didn't like his movement. He was saying his kicks were coming off slower.

He got injured and said he lost strength

His plan was to pick off Stipe and walk away, he didn't need to be Overeem size to do that. He was going to beat him with mobility anyways.

 

[PeterGriffin]

Jones is the only one who signed the contract.

Only evidence people have of him ducking is negotiations from 2021. Nor Dana or Jones ever mentioned money again, and he was reported as back in 2022, long before ngannou actually left.

He was supposed to fight Stipe In December 2022, deal was all but done but fell through because Stipe didn't like his pay(reported by helwani)

Jones was booked for the march 2023 card according to media outlets a month before ngannou officially left.

And finally, Ngannou himself said he was offered the Jones fight for 8 million and could've fought him but turned it down.

Evidence is all quite clear, ngannou turned it down, fight didn't happen.

Lmfao, nice revisionist history!!!

That's one hot mess of garbage right there.

 

[markys00]

Retard alert

 

[PeterGriffin]

Jones didn't bulk up to HW. He was a HW who could make the 205lbs cut.

 

[AstralPanda]

Lmfao, nice revisionist history!!!

That's one hot mess of garbage right there.

Anyone is free to do their homework and look up all those dates for themselves. Easily researchable fact.

It's the real timeline


Not the bs from hater threads that only seem to acknowledge 2021, and then ignore everything that happened afterwards.

But THAT isn't revisionist history though.

Acknowledging the ENTIRE time line is?

Can't make this shit up bro

 

[J'Ghasta]

It was a mental thing. He didnt need the extra weight and if anything it hurts him but he needed to feel secure and as if he has prepared himself for the heavyweight division. Putting it on gave him that little boost of confidence.

 

[AstralPanda]

You can be assured that Jones works his abs/core very extensively otherwise he'd be running the dumbest camp you can imagine. The gut is the fat storage, there's plenty of muscle underneath.

Abs / core is an extension of deadlifts, squats and half a dozen other exercises he'd be going. He meant there wasn't a specified focus on on appearance, but exercises focused on raw strength.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

More like he spent years taking steroids without being tested.

 

[maximus__]

I thought the speculation was he was silently serving a suspension for something and the "bulking" was a subterfuge. Or he was just ducking Ngannou.

I still believe this. My guess is he couldn't piss negative so they sat him out until he did.
Then they changed the Picogram threshold and suddenly he was back fighting. Then he tore his pec, was out and used again to recover,so USADA was gone and Drug free sport was in.

I am guessing TUE is back on the cards which is why we have guys like Jon and Mcgregor having extended lay offs and then coming back to headline big fights.

 

[icemun]

More like spent years ducking Francis

Man.

Fracis was champion for 150 days and Jones spent YEARS DUCKING him

Shit.

By this logic hes ducked Poatan, Izzy and , just about everyone else.

 

[icemun]

Jones is the only one who signed the contract.

Only evidence people have of him ducking is negotiations from 2021. Nor Dana or Jones ever mentioned money again, and he was reported as back in 2022, long before ngannou actually left.

He was supposed to fight Stipe In December 2022, deal was all but done but fell through because Stipe didn't like his pay(reported by helwani)

Jones was booked for the march 2023 card according to media outlets a month before ngannou officially left.

And finally, Ngannou himself said he was offered the Jones fight for 8 million and could've fought him but turned it down.

Evidence is all quite clear, ngannou turned it down, fight didn't happen.

Despite you impressive breakdown

Francis QUIT

doesnt take rocket surgery to figure out, who was not interested in fighting.

 

[AstralPanda]

Despite you impressive breakdown

Francis QUIT

doesnt take rocket surgery to figure out, who was not interested in fighting.

Ironically, Francis made the same decision that Jones is currently being criticized for.

He opted for what made the most sense In terms of business and what offered the most financial reward.

I dont think he was scared to fight Jones, but he made more money, with more long term security than staying with the ufc offered.

Coach nicksick said they were offered 8 million to take the Jones fight, but then the amount went down drastically, and in the event he lost, there was no security for every follow up fight, he would be making substantially less.

People always make these decisions about fear, but when you're at that age and stage of your career, it's all business. Fight selection becomes that much more important, especially during a time where guys are trying to find the motivation to keep doing this. The juice needs to be worth the squeeze.

How it was somehow spun around to blame Jones is peak mental gymnastics though. Francis and his coach told us exactly what happened, even If we ignore all the other details.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

You can be assured that Jones works his abs/core very extensively otherwise he'd be running the dumbest camp you can imagine. The gut is the fat storage, there's plenty of muscle underneath.

You make a good point. True that fat storage can nicely hide a 6 pack, but he's holding it around the belly button where-as just under the rib cage doesn't seem bloated at all. We do see some definition just below the rib cage visible & so he's been doing some ab training, but he could do more.

That said, we all need to keep in mind that most 6 packs display themselves when people are focused on staying lean. By contrast... a focus on weight gain is an understandable thing at HW & so he's not too worried about "leaning it out."

I know there are HW's with 6 packs who are natural HW's, but Jones had to make an effort to gain & it's just very understandable that his 6 pack doesn't show. I'm speaking from experience with my own body. I can lean down & make teh muscles shine, but it's a tremendous focus on diet & honestly not really worth it for the effect. The muscle is still the same whether it's slightly hidden by a healthy layer of excess. it's arguably healthier than trying to stay completely trim & lean all the time.