I bought a PS4. Now what?

[Madmick]

Do you really not see how the comparison still makes no sense? Of course you can get a more current laptop for the same money. That is a completely different situation than someone wanting a PS4 and choosing between a slim and a Pro.

It's really not. You could restrict it to a brand with equivalent specifications (by model line) from their respective years.

Not sure what you are talking about. Why can't you just answer the questions?

So do you still think I am wrong for getting the slim over the Pro? Or are we in agreement here that this entirely depends on the preferences and circumstances of the individual?

I have answered the question. There is no "wrong". There are just more and less rational strategies. Indeed these vary from individual to individual, but there are truths and considerations which subsume the whole market.

I didn't mention money because it was one sentence and it's pretty common sense why someone would choose a slim over a pro. The answer is always the money. Common sense.

Not sure why you want to defend that guy when he didn't try to have a conversation about it but responded with about the most douchey response possible "keep telling yourself that". I don't expect others to read my mind. Just inquire as to my reasoning instead of trying to tell me what I think or telling me what to buy. That's pretty reasonable.

No, it's not. You can make this qualification on an absolute scale irrespective of cost.

If you defend yourself with vague, inadequate language, don't be surprised when that language is attacked. Your concession on this matter has already been forwarded, and accepted, many posts ago.

 

[ArtemV]

God of War and The Last of Us

 

[IamStryker]

It's really not. You could restrict it to a brand with equivalent specifications (by model line) from their respective years.

Dude it is completely different. Shopping for a laptop you obviously want to get the most current and most powerful laptop possible for your money. That's a given but this comparison has nothing to do with someone who wants a PS4 to play exclusives. That person has two options, a slim and a pro. You either want to spend the extra (approximate) $200 for the extra power or you don't care about that and just want to be able to play the games. Both of those options have perfectly sound reasoning depending on your situation. The same can not be said of a person who gets a legitimately bad deal on a laptop.

I have answered the question. There is no "wrong". There are just more and less rational strategies. Indeed these vary from individual to individual, but there are truths and considerations which subsume the whole market.

I'm glad we agree then. I was confused in your initial post to me that seemed to say people were wrong for buying a slim.

No, it's not. You can make this qualification on an absolute scale irrespective of cost.

I don't see how that isn't common sense. I can't imagine anyone ever wanting a slim over a pro if price isn't a factor.

If you defend yourself with vague, inadequate language, don't be surprised when that language is attacked. Your concession on this matter has already been forwarded, and accepted, many posts ago.

Dude it was one sentence to a guy telling someone that he shouldn't have bought a slim and who didn't give any reasoning for it. I wasn't "defending myself" as I wasn't even in a conversation with him yet at all. I just didn't like his post that appeared to be telling people that buying a slim is a mistake. He only responded to me once with a pure asshole post and then you chimed in with a wall of text. I could have clarified for someone who needs me to explain how cost is a factor even though I don't see how that isn't a given. All you had to do was say "Hey man when you said not everyone cares about slightly better graphics you were factoring cost in right? I would have said yes and that would have been the end of it. I never made a concession as my opinion has never changed. I care so little about the slightly better graphics (or faster load times) that the extra money means more to me.

 

[Madmick]

Dude it is completely different. Shopping for a laptop you obviously want to get the most current and most powerful laptop possible for your money. That's a given but this comparison has nothing to do with someone who wants a PS4 to play exclusives. That person has two options, a slim and a pro. You either want to spend the extra (approximate) $200 for the extra power or you don't care about that and just want to be able to play the games. Both of those options have perfectly sound reasoning depending on your situation. The same can not be said of a person who gets a legitimately bad deal on a laptop.

I'm glad we agree then. I was confused in your initial post to me that seemed to say people were wrong for buying a slim.

It's an unwise purchase for anyone, at this point, but "wrong" is a word with too strong an objective value in denotation for nearly any purchase consideration.

I don't see how that isn't common sense. I can't imagine anyone ever wanting a slim over a pro if price isn't a factor.

Which is just another way of saying that everyone cares about slightly better graphics.

Now you've got it.

 

[Madmick]

BTW, I could devise a much longer, tedious, and boring 5000-word list of reasons than those I have already offered, but below is my single greatest concern with buying one of the versions built on the older reference (i.e. Xbox One S, PS4 Slim) going forward. It is speculative, and hypothetical, which is why I didn't mention it earlier, and instead focused on the known disadvantages of the lesser units, and the longstanding known drawbacks to buying hardware past its 'best by' date when you desire the best possible experience for its lifespan moving forward in the world of software it runs.


WHY NOT TO BUY AN XBOX ONE S OR PS4 SLIM IN 2018 & BEYOND
Whether or not there is another iteration of either PS4/XB1, it is clear that Sony and Microsoft no longer have any desire to develop truly custom hardware for their consoles, and so we can expect more x86/x64 architecture for the next gen. When that next gen comes, what happens with all those games released on the new console? I'm speaking to true Multiplats, Platform exclusives, and Console exclusives. What happens? Especially for the first few years of the new console's existence?

Well, of course, they also develop versions of the game for the previous generation of consoles! They want the largest market penetration. That is going to be easier than ever before for developers because the next generation of consoles with be built on this same architecture as the previous generation (this was not the case for the PS3/X360). That's because games & game licensing is where Sony and Microsoft make their money-- not the consoles themselves. It was only around 2016 with the release of the updated Slim/S units that they really abandoned the previous gen, and stopped developing the multiplats for the previous gen, signaling to gamers, "Okay, the grace period for having purchased our last console is over...time to upgrade, or be left behind."

However, we are already seeing these developers strain just to make today's AAA releases playable on the original PS4/XB1.

That's why Far Cry 5 can't even maintain a 30fps framelock despite the nerfed graphics. It's not even conforming to console standards. Most of the more advanced franchises are having these problems. The only reason they are willing to bend over backwards to even create a version of the game with those nerfed graphics, which isn't something they can automate with downsampling, is for the reason I have already cited; because the XBX and PS4 Pro make up a relatively small portion of the overall hardware market for these consoles.

My suspicion is that when the next generation of consoles is released they won't even both with the older units. It will be too limiting-- too difficult. In fact, my prediction is they will discontinue sales of the older units, and only sell the Pro & X after the new consoles are released. This will provide a marketing excuse NOT to develop for the original versions. "You can still play these games on the PS4, but only the PS4 Pro. If you don't have that version of the console, you can buy it today for much more cheaply than the PS5."

Even if I'm wrong, and they make an effort to cross-develop those games for the original units and their revisions in the first 1-2 years of the PS5, I am supremely confident I won't be wrong at some point in the PS5 lifespan. At some point, they are going to throw out the original units for development, and set the more advanced units as the baseline. The more advanced units will have a longer lifespan of relevancy into the next generation.

This is an argument that even the most hardcore "I only care about the games" bro cannot rationally dismiss. You saved $200 today, but part of your purchase was expedited obsolescence.

 

[JSN]

It's an unwise purchase for anyone, at this point, but "wrong" is a word with too strong an objective value in denotation for nearly any purchase consideration.

Which is just another way of saying that everyone cares about slightly better graphics.

Now you've got it.

I think it could be generalized a bit too. Not just better graphics, but smoother operation in general. When I bought my ps4 around four years ago, one of the big selling points was that multi console games ran better on ps4 whether it be graphics, loading time, frame rate, whathaveyou.

I feel like between a stronger exclusives lineup and multi platform games running generally better, no surprise that ps4 trounced xboxone this gen.

 

[IamStryker]

It's an unwise purchase for anyone, at this point, but "wrong" is a word with too strong an objective value in denotation for nearly any purchase consideration.

Ok so you are still making the argument that it is unwise for anyone to purchase a PS4 slim. After reading all of your posts I still have no idea how you come to this conclusion. I know you said it's old tech/architecture but that makes no difference in this scenario. Someone who wants to play PS4 exclusives HAS to get a PS4 one way or another. It doesn't matter if the system is outdated or not.

Which is just another way of saying that everyone cares about slightly better graphics.
Now you've got it.

"I don't care" is a common line someone uses when they care very little. I'm sure even you use it regularly with that meaning. But if you want to be completely literal here it is not accurate to say that everyone cares about slightly better graphics. People who don't care about video games at all are going to care ZERO about slightly better graphics. I really don't know why you felt the need to nitpick me saying that so much. My point there is pretty obvious, "not everyone cares enough about slightly better graphics to spend the money to get a pro over a slim".

My suspicion is that when the next generation of consoles is released they won't even both with the older units. It will be too limiting-- too difficult. In fact, my prediction is they will discontinue sales of the older units, and only sell the Pro & X after the new consoles are released. This will provide a marketing excuse NOT to develop for the original versions. "You can still play these games on the PS4, but only the PS4 Pro. If you don't have that version of the console, you can buy it today for much more cheaply than the PS5."

Even if I'm wrong, and they make an effort to cross-develop those games for the original units and their revisions in the first 1-2 years of the PS5, I am supremely confident I won't be wrong at some point in the PS5 lifespan. At some point, they are going to throw out the original units for development, and set the more advanced units as the baseline. The more advanced units will have a longer lifespan of relevancy into the next generation.

This is an argument that even the most hardcore "I only care about the games" bro cannot rationally dismiss. You saved $200 today, but part of your purchase was expedited obsolescence.

Your post here didn't help any as I still don't agree with you at all. For one a big part of your post is pure speculation. You don't know how long they are going to continue putting out content on the slim and you certainly don't know how much they are going to support the Pro/X. It's feasible that they come out with their next real consoles and support those consoles very little.

Then I will say that people like myself are already aware of how long they might or might not support the slim. I'm not worried about it at all. I will get more than enough content out of it even if they stop supporting it next year. So again this purchase is subjective to the individual. For someone like me it's an excellent purchase and your idea that it was "unwise" is simply baseless as this isn't an objective discussion. It's subjective to the individual and what that person is after.

 

[Madmick]

Ok so you are still making the argument that it is unwise for anyone to purchase a PS4 slim. After reading all of your posts I still have no idea how you come to this conclusion. I know you said it's old tech/architecture but that makes no difference in this scenario. Someone who wants to play PS4 exclusives HAS to get a PS4 one way or another. It doesn't matter if the system is outdated or not.

"I don't care" is a common line someone uses when they care very little. I'm sure even you use it regularly with that meaning. But if you want to be completely literal here it is not accurate to say that everyone cares about slightly better graphics. People who don't care about video games at all are going to care ZERO about slightly better graphics. I really don't know why you felt the need to nitpick me saying that so much. My point there is pretty obvious, "not everyone cares so much about slightly better graphics to spend the money to get a pro over a slim".

No, for a second time, it isn't obvious, because the qualification can be made on on absolute scale irrespective of cost, and gamers do make this very argument. Maybe you've never met a hardcore Switch fanboy. You are defeated on this point. Stop bargaining to retroactively insert logic that your post didn't explicitly contain. You're not saving face. You're just highlighting your own oversight to your own careless language.

Because that isn't even the point. How many more times do I have to spell this out? Ice that Jaw grasped your "common sense" approach, and he was dismissively mocking you. It is the oblique, gamer version of, "You sound poor." The condescension is founded upon the truth that many times we tell ourselves, "I don't care about that, I won't be missing out" even when that isn't true because it is built into our psychology to develop coping mechanisms for those times we simply lack the resources to have the thing we really want, and care about. Men tend to do this with women they want to fuck-- but can't get-- more than anything else, I've noticed. We even do it when we could have that thing, but at an opportunity cost to having other things that maybe we want more. Even if the latter strategy is sound, as humans, in order to feel good about the strategy we select, we subconsciously find a way to devalue the strategy we didn't.

The fact that two pages later you haven't been able to divine that speaks to your tremendous capacity for perpetual confusion.

I think it could be generalized a bit too. Not just better graphics, but smoother operation in general. When I bought my ps4 around four years ago, one of the big selling points was that multi console games ran better on ps4 whether it be graphics, loading time, frame rate, whathaveyou.

I feel like between a stronger exclusives lineup and multi platform games running generally better, no surprise that ps4 trounced xboxone this gen.

Precisely. I mentioned this on the previous page, but I didn't feel like emphasizing it in more detail ITT because of the predictable "muh games!" counterargument. This kid is a brick fucking wall.

 

[IamStryker]

No, for a second time, it isn't obvious, because the qualification can be made on on absolute scale irrespective of cost, and gamers do make this very argument. Maybe you've never met a hardcore Switch fanboy. You are defeated on this point. Stop bargaining to retroactively insert logic that your post didn't explicitly contain. You're not saving face. You're just highlighting your own oversight to your own careless language.

I do think it's an obvious assumption especially when you are looking at ONE SENTENCE. You could have simply done one quick post to clarify this with me but instead you posted a wall of text going off the assumption that I have unlimited funds and don't care about the cost of an item. I don't know why anyone would make that assumption. It is far more likely that I care about cost like most normal people.

Because that isn't even the point. How many more times do I have to spell this out? Ice that Jaw grasped your "common sense" approach, and he was dismissively mocking you. It is the oblique, gamer version of, "You sound poor." The condescension is founded upon the truth that many times we tell ourselves, "I don't care about that, I won't be missing out" even when that isn't true because it is built into our psychology to develop coping mechanisms for those times we simply lack the resources to have the thing we really want, and care about.

You think it's reasonable to assume that everyone who says "I don't care about the slightly better graphics more than the money a Pro costs over a Slim" is lying? You seriously don't think that people like myself are telling the truth about that? You think I am lying to you when I say that I have the money to get a pro if I wanted one but I care so little about the extra features that I am happier purchasing a slim to get a great deal? That's absurd and Ice that Jaw responded like a prick.

The fact that two pages later you haven't been able to divine that speaks to your tremendous capacity for perpetual confusion.

I am baffled how you think you have a sound point here at all.

Precisely. I mentioned this on the previous page, but I didn't feel like emphasizing it in more detail ITT because of the predictable "muh games!" counterargument. This kid is a brick fucking wall.

You are coming across as supremely arrogant here. I don't know why you think these features automatically means I made an unwise purchase. As if everyone in the world is the same person with the same wants and needs in the same situations. Maybe a pro gamer or a streamer is going to REALLY want the smoothest possible operations you can get for a variety of reasons. I am not those things and I don't feel I need those features on any significant level but please tell me how I am wrong about what I want/need.

 

[Madmick]

I do think it's an obvious assumption especially when you are looking at ONE SENTENCE.

It isn't. The number of sentences doesn't bear on this. You're wrong. That won't change.

You could have simply done one quick post to clarify this with me but instead you posted a wall of text going off the assumption that I have unlimited funds and don't care about the cost of an item. I don't know why anyone would make that assumption. It is far more likely that I care about cost like most normal people.

You think it's reasonable to assume that everyone who says "I don't care about the slightly better graphics more than the money a Pro costs over a Slim" is lying? You seriously don't think that people like myself are telling the truth about that? You think I am lying to you when I say that I have the money to get a pro if I wanted one but I care so little about the extra features that I am happier purchasing a slim to get a great deal? That's absurd and Ice that Jaw responded like a prick

I am baffled how you think you have a sound point here at all.

You are coming across as supremely arrogant here. I don't know why you think these features automatically means I made an unwise purchase. As if everyone in the world is the same person with the same wants and needs in the same situations. Maybe a pro gamer or a streamer is going to REALLY want the smoothest possible operations you can get for a variety of reasons. I am not those things and I don't feel I need them on any significant level but please tell me how I am wrong about what I want.

You're coming off as supremely insecure. If you were so content in your purchase you wouldn't be so sensitive about it.

 

[IamStryker]

It isn't. The number of sentences doesn't bear on this. You're wrong. That won't change.

You think that based on extremely little information it makes sense to make a large assumption? Yeah ok.

You're coming off as supremely insecure. If you were so content in your purchase you wouldn't be so sensitive about it.

Well you wrote a lot to me in that first post so I'm just responding. What I take issue with is people telling others what to care about so I am content in arguing that point.

 

[Madmick]

You think that based on extremely little information it makes sense to make a large assumption? Yeah ok.

It is your argument that requires an assumption by the reader.

 

[IamStryker]

It is your argument that requires an assumption by the reader.

If you wanted a fleshed out argument you could have asked me for it. There was no need for such a big assumption.

 

[Madmick]

If you wanted a fleshed out argument you could have asked me for it. There was no need for such a big assumption.

Not terribly bright, are you?

 

[IamStryker]

Not terribly bright, are you?

Ad Hominem. Didn't think you would resort to that but ok.

Also that point doesn't even matter anymore as you are still trying to tell me I made an "unwise purchase" even though you now clearly know that I am saying I care more about the money than the advantages of the system.

 

[Madmick]

Ad Hominem. Didn't think you would resort to that but ok.

I didn't. It iterates the previous point. Your argument to defend the language in your first post demands an assumption. Reading them as I have related to you doesn't.

Your efforts to justify your poor language are nearly as pointless as a thread asking what PS4 games someone should buy who himself testifies he bought a PS4 solely to play PS4 full exclusives.
https://gematsu.com/exclusives/ps4

 

[IamStryker]

I didn't. It iterates the previous point. Your argument to defend the language in your first post demands an assumption. Reading them as I have related to you doesn't.

It would have been reasonable to ask for clarification instead of making an argument based on an assumption. You and I weren't in a discussion/debate and I never gave a formal argument.

But again I don't care about that at this point because even after I clarify my position you are still arguing that I made an unwise purchase which is what I currently take issue with.

Your efforts to justify your poor language are nearly as pointless as a thread asking what PS4 games someone should buy who himself testifies he bought a PS4 solely to play PS4 full exclusives.
https://gematsu.com/exclusives/ps4

Yeah my one sentence to another poster is such "poor language". You seem to be doing a lot to justify your long response to me off of the absurd notion that I have unlimited funds to decide my purchases.

 

[Madmick]

You and I weren't in a discussion/debate and I never gave a formal argument.

But again I don't care about that at this point because even after I clarify my position you are still arguing that I made an unwise purchase which is what I currently take issue with.

Yeah my one sentence to another poster is such "poor language". You seem to be doing a lot to justify your long response to me off of the absurd notion that I have unlimited funds to decide my purchases.

For the third time: no assumption was required for his reading of your words. Your defense demands an assumption that your language suggests an opinion which is incompletely voiced.

The very premise of your defense of the subjective choice in this thread is incoherent. Your argument is predicated on the logic that a PS4 is the only way to play full exclusives which entails a specific subjective need by the buyer to purchase the platform to play a certain game or games that entice the buyer dearly enough to stimulate this purchase, if that buyer already has other hardware platforms, as Stabby does, and yet the buyer here has started a thread asking "what now"-- which games to buy?

If one bought the PS4 to find out which games he should want to play, then the argument to justify the purchase based on premeditated need to play games exclusive to that platform is contradicted by the very existence of the question asking which exclusives to buy.

Do you wish to continue to debate logic? Your feelings won't protect your positions.

 

[IamStryker]

For the third time: no assumption was required for his reading of your words. Your defense demands an assumption that your language suggests an opinion which is incompletely voiced.

The very premise of your defense of the subjective choice in this thread is incoherent. Your argument is predicated on the logic that a PS4 is the only way to play full exclusives which entails a specific subjective need by the buyer to purchase the platform to play a certain game or games that entice the buyer dearly enough to stimulate this purchase, if that buyer already has other hardware platforms, as Stabby does, and yet the buyer here has started a thread asking "what now"-- which games to buy?

We are talking about the assumption you made when I responded to him about the graphics. I was responding specifically about the slim vs. the pro and you apparently assumed for some reason that cost wasn't a factor. Of course cost is a factor when it comes to choosing between the slim and the pro. To me this is very obvious but again I prefer to discuss the below so we can let this one go if you want.

My argument has always included what someone wants or enjoys, as well as needs. Stabby might have games in mind that he absolutely wants to play and he might not. Since he went out and bought a PS4 I would guess that he has at least a few games in mind that he wants to play. I don't think this has any effect on my argument at all. Lets say there was one game that he absolutely had to play above any other. Maybe it's Spiderman. Are you then going to try to tell him he made an unwise purchase? This really comes down to what people like and dislike. I don't know how in this case someone can come along and say that they shouldn't have bought that PS4.

If one bought the PS4 to find out which games he should want to play, then the argument to justify the purchase based on premeditated need to play games exclusive to that platform is contradicted by the very existence of the question asking which exclusives to buy.

Do you wish to continue to debate logic? Your feelings won't protect your positions.

I would guess that most of the time when someone buys a PS4 they have at least one big game in mind that they really want to play. This discussion is all going to come down to the subjective wants/needs of the individual which is exactly what I have been saying this entire time. Even if someone doesn't know the games that are on a PS4 and buys it just because he heard that it has good exclusives. That of course wouldn't make it a bad purchase.

 

[Madmick]

We are talking about the assumption you made when I responded to him about the graphics. I was responding specifically about the slim vs. the pro and you apparently assumed for some reason that cost wasn't a factor. Of course cost is a factor when it comes to choosing between the slim and the pro. To me this is very obvious but again I prefer to discuss the below so we can let this one go if you want.

Because you didn't mention price. Arguing retroactively that you intended your comment to be relative to value, not irrespective of it, is the argument demanding an assumption.

I don't care how many times you want to take this merry-go-round. It always comes back to you being wrong. I have infinite patience for iterating and reiterating this fact.