I bought a PS4. Now what?

[SaiWa]

I compared the Japanese reported sales figure because it was what you provided. It doesn't matter to me because the total units sold for the year, globally, is the determining figure.

Switch is #3, not #2 for the year in terms of game sales (not that you ever predicted that would be its placement).

Comparing total game sales for a console that’s been out since 2013 to another console that’s only been out for less than 2 years and still building their base and only recently setup their online subscription plan... that’s not too far of stretch there.. lol..

Ultimate just came out. So if you wanna compare u compare their first week sales... not total to a first week sales...

Come back in a bit once smash ultimate sales are clearer and you can tell me how they are comparing to Xbox one exclusive sales...

 

[SaiWa]

I can’t imagine playing doom on a switch with those controllers.

F the fing f that.

Cool if you want too but to me a switch is for stuff like Mario odyssey and smash bros for kids etc.

Imo you won’t get the real Doom experience on a switch

Lol

Do you even own a Switch? I haven’t even seen you post on the Switch thread.

I own a pro controller so if I wanted the console experience I can get it.

Or are u talking about keyboard n mouse experience.?

 

[Madmick]

Comparing total game sales for a console that’s been out since 2013 to another console that’s only been out for less than 2 years and still building their base and only recently setup their online subscription plan... that’s not too far of stretch there.. lol..

Ultimate just came out. So if you wanna compare u compare their first week sales... not total to a first week sales...

Come back in a bit once smash ultimate sales are clearer and you can tell me how they are comparing to Xbox one exclusive sales...

Exclusive sales are irrelevant. An inferiority of market saturation is Nintendo's own fault (and also why their present hardware numbers outshine their software performance).

Again, you never predicted the Switch would be #2. You're just wounded and keen to distract from the fact you just got buried in a no-stakes debate where you demonstrated an objective failure to comprehend the very topics you were discussing, technically, and now you're grasping at this to save face.

 

[SaiWa]

Exclusive sales are irrelevant. An inferiority of market saturation is Nintendo's own fault (and also why their present hardware numbers outshine their software performance).

Again, you never predicted the Switch would be #2. You're just wounded and keen to distract from the fact you just got buried in a no-stakes debate where you demonstrated an objective failure to comprehend the very topics you were discussing, technically, and now you're grasping at this to save face.

How is that a lose for me? I predicted they would do really well. I never said they would never be #2. Nor they did I go the other way and claim they would fail like you predicted.

You’re just grasping at straws and flailing about hopelessly.

How about a sig bet on whether TLOU2 will be released on PS4 or PS5 first which is how this entire started out in the first place?. You are positively sure it’ll be a PS5 game release only so I’ll win if they release on PS4 first or at the same time as when the PS5 is released.

 

[Madmick]

How is that a lose for me? I predicted they would do really well. I never said they would never be #2. Nor they did I go the other way and claim they would fail like you predicted.

I'm reminding you of your ignorance about ports/emulation and the respective natures of PS Now vs. PS Plus.

Unless Nintendo sits on the Switch for 3 years after MS/Sony blow by them with the next gen there's no risk of that happening (40m units vs. 22.8m units sold). The Switch has been outselling the saturated XB1 by ~500k units a month for 2018. At this rate it will take them another 3 years to eclipse the XB1. This also assumes no slowdown from saturation when the Switch's sales number have been on a steep decline since its launch in contrast to the PS4/XB1:

How about a sig bet on whether TLOU2 will be released on PS4 or PS5 first which is how this entire started out in the first place?. You are positively sure it’ll be a PS5 game release only so I’ll win if they release on PS4 first or at the same time as when the PS5 is released.

Are you illiterate? The supposition that the PS5 will be released in 2019 or 2020 isn't even my hypothetical I've explored, here. I was explaining to another poster the probably logic behind a post by JSN. I've iterated and reiterated this point.

I'm the one who has voiced a suspicion the next release could potentially be just another update to the PS4. The strongest reason to suspect otherwise is that there is no way they can produce another Jaguar unit, but even with Zen/Navi they could potentially run the same pipeline layout on the updated architecture as they're using now (2xCore CPU w/shared Cache, AMD GPU, integrated GDDR memory). The only reason I've balked at that is the new leaks and rumors suggesting this is the PS5. If they don't precisely copy the hardware layout of the PS4 (p.11) there is more legwork to ports.

It's impossible to talk to you about where the PS4 and its games are headed due to your astounding ignorance. It's why you confused the PS Now and PS Plus. You seem to believe that because you own your games in the cloud this means you should be forever entitled to play them on any future console. Do you understand how deluded that is? You don't even understand how the PS Plus works. If you buy The Witcher 3 on the PS4, you own it in perpetuity, and can download it to any console with your account active-- any PS4 unit. That doesn't mean Sony will regard you as owning the game on the PS5. Indeed, graphics gains are diminishing, but that's precisely why I believe Sony/MS know they will have to lean harder on software than ever before in order to sell the future units. What incentive is there to own the future unit, with their "slightly better graphics", if they'll let you keep all of your games, and continue making all the new games backwards compatible for the PS4?

I'll sig bet you, alright:

1. Sony WILL NOT freely grant you ownership of your full PS4 PS Plus library on the PS5 when they launch the new console to entice you to buy it
   
2. The Xbox One successor will launch while the Xbox One is still ahead of the Switch in total hardware units sold

 

[Fuzzybabyducks]

LOL @ people arguing over ps5/ps4/xbox when Soulja Boy is about to change the landscape of gaming....

Soulja Game Fuze- Only $400
SouljaGame and SouljaGame Handheld retro gaming systems - only 149 and 99.99 respectfully
TS jumped the gun going with a PS4... hopefully you have some cash laying around for one of these elite systems

 

[90 50]

LOL @ people arguing over ps5/ps4/xbox when Soulja Boy is about to change the landscape of gaming....

Soulja Game Fuze- Only $400
SouljaGame and SouljaGame Handheld retro gaming systems - only 149 and 99.99 respectfully
TS jumped the gun going with a PS4... hopefully you have some cash laying around for one of these elite systems

No bundle with his latest cd no care lol

 

[JSN]

Can’t remember if this is the thread where @Madmick had the multi page argument or not, but does anyone else scratch their head a bit at the whole idea of market leader or bust?

I mean Nintendo has gone five generations where they’ve only led home console sales once, including a fucking bomb with the WiiU and some pretty disappointing systems sales wise like the GameCube and N64 and they still kicking.

Microsoft seems to be in desperation mode because they’re losing market share but I would bet they’re profitable. It seems like Asian prestige concepts are a large part of the video game business.

 

[StabbyMcHatchet]

SaiWa you know Mick is OCD enough to always have to have the last word. He'll text-wall you into surrender.

I bought Injvstice for the PS4. Haven't played it yet.

 

[jameson88]

There are a lot of games you can purchase for this system. And I promise you'll like it

 

[number 9]

Keep telling yourself that bud.

I still enjoy playing certain snes titles more so than any realistic looking modern game that’s out now... so he’s right and it should be obliviously obvious in knowing that people are indeed different on this place we call planet earth.

 

[number 9]

Did you even read my post? i covered that??

BUT if your TV is getting older, and you think 4k's might be in your budget before the NEXT console generation comes, you might be sorry you skimped..

I clearly covered those scenario's...

Ive seen 43" 4k's for under 200.00 on some internet deals....

here is a referb for 229.00

4k 60hrz..

when all 4k tv's were 2k(like when 1080p FIRST came out, or 720p FIRST came out) i was on the same "who needs 4k" feeling, hell im still that way.

My Bedroom TV is STILL 720p, it's a 55" PLASMA, that hoe is still going strong, and my bedroom is big so we are far back from it so it really isnt a graphical sensible option to upgrade, but when It DOES die, and I find a good deal on a 4k, that's what I'll get unless i can't find a deal, then it will be 1080..


I think you are looking for ways to argue here...

I gave reasons why to buy a slim, and reasons why I most likely would NOT

I wanted to ask this question to make sure..

You’ll still be able to game and watch whatever on regular PS4 without having any problems in the future without having a 4ktv correct?

 

[90 50]

I wanted to ask this question to make sure..

You’ll still be able to game and watch whatever on regular PS4 without having any problems in the future without having a 4ktv correct?

Yes, you can plug it into a 720p with no issues.

 

[number 9]

Yes, you can plug it into a 720p with no issues.

Then I don’t ever see myself upgrading... there really is no point.

Me personally, I would rather watch a movie in its grainy old vhs form than some futuristic newest purple ray hdd supreme 4K blah blah blah

And graphics don’t really impress me anyway as I’m more worried about gameplay.. like will the frames get chopped up and freeze during gameplay because I don’t have a 4ktv? Long as stuff like that doesn’t happen I don’t understand what the problem is for a casual gamer for not upgrading to the newest stuffs...

Isn’t this what iamstryker was basically trying to say?

He’s saying nah I don’t need it and don’t want to spend extra for nothing

The guy he’s arguing with makes it sound like, no, you are wrong and if you don’t upgrade you are a dumb dumb

Why would anyone want to upgrade if they could careless about 4K or whatever it is and they’ll still be able to do everything it’s doing now..

I mean unless you’re a hardcore gamer I can understand this logic, but from the sound of it iamstryker is not

And also did this guy actually tried to criticize him on how he spent his own money? Or did I just read that wrong?

 

[Madmick]

Then I don’t ever see myself upgrading... there really is no point.

Me personally, I would rather watch a movie in its grainy old vhs form than some futuristic newest purple ray hdd supreme 4K blah blah blah

And graphics don’t really impress me anyway as I’m more worried about gameplay.. like will the frames get chopped up and freeze during gameplay because I don’t have a 4ktv? Long as stuff like that doesn’t happen I don’t understand what the problem is for a casual gamer for not upgrading to the newest stuffs...

Isn’t this what iamstryker was basically trying to say?

He’s saying nah I don’t need it and don’t want to spend extra for nothing

The guy he’s arguing with makes it sound like, no, you are wrong and if you don’t upgrade you are a dumb dumb

Why would anyone want to upgrade if they could careless about 4K or whatever it is and they’ll still be able to do everything it’s doing now..

I mean unless you’re a hardcore gamer I can understand this logic, but from the sound of it iamstryker is no

1. Framerates (apart from looking better this is an advantage in competitive multiplayer)
   
2. Load times (this doesn't just mean launching the game, and for certain games it adds up to substantially more play time over long sessions when time is the single greatest currency in life, not $150)
3. Snappiness of the device for everything outside the game's usage
4. 802.11ac dual-band WiFi & vastly improved internet speed performance which is why the PS4 Pro downloads games/patches faster when the server isn't bottlenecking (including better ping which is also an advantage in competitive multiplayer)
   
5. Likely longer relevance for backwards compatibility of future games after the launch of the PS5

And also did this guy actually tried to criticize him on how he spent his own money? Or did I just read that wrong?

I criticized his decision in 2018 as the one less likely to ultimately bring him the greatest satisfaction, and I have explained why. I specifically did not criticize his right to choose how to spend his own money.

Nevertheless, the myopia of your failed rhetorical question should be immediate. If someone on here got really excited by investing a significant chunk of money in a product that is part of a pyramid scheme, and I told that person he was a rube, I would be objectively correct. Just because someone is free to spend his own money however he chooses doesn't mean that individual is spending it the most wisely even given his own subjective ambitions.

 

[number 9]

1. Framerates (apart from looking better this is an advantage in competitive multiplayer)
   
2. Load times (this doesn't just mean launching the game, and for certain games it adds up to substantially more play time over long sessions when time is the single greatest currency in life, not $150)
3. Snappiness of the device for everything outside the game's usage
4. 802.11ac dual-band WiFi & vastly improved internet speed performance which is why the PS4 Pro downloads games/patches faster when the server isn't bottlenecking (including better ping which is also an advantage in competitive multiplayer)
   
5. Likely longer relevance for backwards compatibility of future games after the launch of the PS5

I criticized his decision in 2018 as the one less likely to ultimately bring him the greatest satisfaction, and I have explained why. I specifically did not criticize his right to choose how to spend his own money.

Nevertheless, the myopia of your failed rhetorical question should be immediate. If someone on here got really excited by investing a significant chunk of money in a product that is part of a pyramid scheme, and I told that person he was a rube, I would be objectively correct. Just because someone is free to spend his own money however he chooses doesn't mean that individual is spending it the most wisely even given his own subjective ambitions.

“Nevertheless, the myopia of your failed rhetorical question should be immediate”

Lol why are trying to throw lil insults as if your feelings got a lil boo boo.. there was no need for that.

Not trying to be rude, but your explanation doesn’t mean jack shit though because he is greatly satisfied. Technically, you did criticize on how he spent his own money... like why was that so important for you to write a novel about on how he should had spent his own money? Why is it so hard for you to understand he is greatly satisfied of his purchase?

I could careless about the loading time...

The only thing I care about is the games not lagging like the frames getting chopped up and freezing during online play or single play

If any of that is not going to happen and run smooth as it does now, there really is no reason for a gamer like him to buy pro and 4ktv or whatever you guys were going on and on about..

Why can’t you understand he’s not a hardcore gamer and he just wants to game casually? why would a casual gamer like him care about the things you mentioned when the home entertainment system he has now could last him 10+ years... the guy told you many times he doesn’t want to spend the extra money. And maybe he’s not into online gaming and he just want to play single player..

It’s just beyond out of this world that you are arguing with the guy on how he should had spent his own money...

It’s like him calling you out because he disagrees with whatever purchases you made. I’m sure if that were to happen you would literally respond in the same manner as him

 

[90 50]

Then I don’t ever see myself upgrading... there really is no point.

Me personally, I would rather watch a movie in its grainy old vhs form than some futuristic newest purple ray hdd supreme 4K blah blah blah

And graphics don’t really impress me anyway as I’m more worried about gameplay.. like will the frames get chopped up and freeze during gameplay because I don’t have a 4ktv? Long as stuff like that doesn’t happen I don’t understand what the problem is for a casual gamer for not upgrading to the newest stuffs...

Isn’t this what iamstryker was basically trying to say?

He’s saying nah I don’t need it and don’t want to spend extra for nothing

The guy he’s arguing with makes it sound like, no, you are wrong and if you don’t upgrade you are a dumb dumb

Why would anyone want to upgrade if they could careless about 4K or whatever it is and they’ll still be able to do everything it’s doing now..

I mean unless you’re a hardcore gamer I can understand this logic, but from the sound of it iamstryker is not

And also did this guy actually tried to criticize him on how he spent his own money? Or did I just read that wrong?

My point on if he should or shouldn’t, was specific on IF his current tv/monitor might be long enough in the tooth that it won’t outlast the current system he buys.

And with prices dropping so much on 4k’s that he MIGHT buy one when it’s time for a new tv.

If none of that applies, or might not ever come to Fruition, then it’s probubaly ok not too.

I didn’t ever see myself getting a 4K, hell I’ve said many times I’m still happy with my 720p plasma in my bedroom.

BUT the prices I’m seeing them at now, are in line and sometimes even lower than what I paid for my 1080 in the living room.

So when the time comes for it to die, I most likely will get a 4K, it makes sense from a price point standard.

Since you can buy them now, for more than likely what he paid for his 1080

I’m not saying everyone should buy a 4K console, but I can see the argument for how it might be benificial from a long term cost perspective.

Like i mentioned before.

Buy a non pro for 299, 6 months down the road 1080p tv dies.

Buys 4K tv, since it’s the good deal he finds.

After a month or so owning a 4K tv, decideds he wants to play his games at 4K , now has to buy another console.

That’s my point.

 

[Madmick]

“Nevertheless, the myopia of your failed rhetorical question should be immediate”

Lol why are trying to throw lil insults as if your feelings got a lil boo boo.. there was no need for that.

Rhetorical questions are by definition assertions, and your rhetorical question was itself an attack. Don't fish for pity because it took me a single sentence to shred its shortsighted logic.

Not trying to be rude, but your explanation doesn’t mean jack shit though because he is greatly satisfied. Technically, you did criticize on how he spent his own money... like why was that so important for you to write a novel about on how he should had spent his own money? Why is it so hard for you to understand he is greatly satisfied of his purchase?

Because the question isn't whether or not he is satisfied with his purchase; it abstractly ponders whether he would likely be more or less satisfied in the long term if he purchased the PS4 Pro instead, but more broadly, it weighs these considerations to the benefit of all gamers facing the same question who read this. I also challenge the sophist presumption that people know themselves perfectly, and are perfectly objective when assessing their own subjective experiences (pssst: they're not).

I could careless about the loading time...

The only thing I care about is the games not lagging like the frames getting chopped up and freezing during online play or single play

Then if you review Digital Foundry's ongoing coverage you'll see that the original and Slim units are inferior because they do sometimes suffer from this, or alternatively survey mass anecdote across the web. One can expect this problem to worsen as it did towards the tail end of the previous generation of consoles.

If any of that is not going to happen and run smooth as it does now, there really is no reason for a gamer like him to buy pro and 4ktv or whatever you guys were going on and on about..

Why? Is his current TV the last one he will ever own? Did you stop to consider that he might still be gaming on this PS4 a decade from now?

4K TVs will gain US household majority share by the end of 2019, and it isn't hard to see why when I'm seeing sales for 55" 4K Roku+HDR units for $350. Furthermore, I have already expounded on the fact the noticeable graphical advantages-- to everyday people including "casual" gamers-- are evident on 1080p screens, too.

Why can’t you understand he’s not a hardcore gamer and he just wants to game casually? why would a casual gamer like him care about the things you mentioned when the home entertainment system he has now could last him 10+ years... the guy told you many times he doesn’t want to spend the extra money. And maybe he’s not into online gaming and he just want to play single player..

It’s just beyond out of this world that you are arguing with the guy on how he should had spent his own money...

It’s like him calling you out because he disagrees with whatever purchases you made. I’m sure if that were to happen you would literally respond in the same manner as him

Already back to the same failed argument that I just speared.

 

[Wariowokecancel]

After eight years of exclusively gaming on Xbox, the Black Friday deals finally got too good to ignore.

I pretty much bought it for exclusives only, as my clan is on Xbox. I picked up Space Hulk Death Wing and it came with Spider-Man, but please make recommendations. I have no idea what is even available.

I am an FPS enthusiast but will keep Destiny and CoD for the Xbone.

That in mind, what do the good people at Sherdog recommend?

Witcher 3.

Red Dead Redemption 2.

Yakuza Zero.

Stop with the FPS bullshit.

Give me a nod in March.

 

[IamStryker]

Isn’t this what iamstryker was basically trying to say?

He’s saying nah I don’t need it and don’t want to spend extra for nothing

Pretty close. I essentially have far more desire to save $200 now than for any of the added benefits of a Pro. I don't currently have a 4k tv and have no idea when I will be in the market to get one.

I think other gamers want to be helpful and give advice on what they think is wise with these purchases but ultimately it is up to the individual to decide what they care about. The X and the Pro are important to some people but to me seem very unnecessary.