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I am an ex-Scientologist. (LONG read)

Haven't checked the thread for months now, but again, good work Will and I'm glad everything is working out with your family now!
 
Cerberus87 said:
Haven't checked the thread for months now, but again, good work Will and I'm glad everything is working out with your family now!
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Thanks for checking in, mate.

Here's a little footage from Saturday's protest in London.



And a nice rickroll.

 
I'm not a big Scientology fan. I don't think that people are routinely held against their will.
 
peytonlucy said:
I'm not a big Scientology fan. I don't think that people are routinely held against their will.
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If you think that is not the case, then you don't know that much about Scientology at all. People are routinely held against their will, and threatened with dire consequences if they leave. At the highest level, people are virtual prisoners of the org they belong to. They CAN leave, but only by paying a terrible price.
 
Tards... This is a must see!

No kids allowed - St. Petersburg Times

The article is dedicated to women in the Sea Org being forced to have abortions, in order to keep their jobs and stay in good standing with the "church". It's really sad and sickening. But I encourage you all to at least check out the video interviews on that page. I'll post the youtube versions when they're up.
 
I know this may not be the most politically correct thing to say (and it may have been covered already in this thread, so I apologize in advance for not reading through hundreds of posts)... but Hubbard was right about psychiatrists. To a point. During the Cold War, the CIA and other western governments feared that the Soviet Union had mastered ways of manipulating the mind. So they did do experiments on subjects that broke all ethical agreements and was 100% contrary to the Geneva Conventions.

Hubbard lived during that time and knew something was wrong, that there actually was a conspiracy. Of course, he already hated the field of psychiatry and psychology because they were competitors to dianetics. But he never updated the tech and other anti-psychiatry beliefs, so after these experiments stopped (if they indeed did), he left his followers with outdated material, fighting against an enemy that no longer exists.

Here's a History Channel documentary about the CIA's involvement in mind control techniques. Most of what these fuckers did is classified and redacted, but a little bit of information got through and it's horrifying. And they all got by with it.
Mind Control: America's Secret War

For the record, I am a psychologist, so it's not like I'm taking up for Hubbard. He seemed to be a paranoid schizophrenic.
 
sodapopinski said:
I know this may not be the most politically correct thing to say (and it may have been covered already in this thread, so I apologize in advance for not reading through hundreds of posts)... but Hubbard was right about psychiatrists. To a point. During the Cold War, the CIA and other western governments feared that the Soviet Union had mastered ways of manipulating the mind. So they did do experiments on subjects that broke all ethical agreements and was 100% contrary to the Geneva Conventions.

Hubbard lived during that time and knew something was wrong, that there actually was a conspiracy. Of course, he already hated the field of psychiatry and psychology because they were competitors to dianetics. But he never updated the tech and other anti-psychiatry beliefs, so after these experiments stopped (if they indeed did), he left his followers with outdated material, fighting against an enemy that no longer exists.

Here's a History Channel documentary about the CIA's involvement in mind control techniques. Most of what these fuckers did is classified and redacted, but a little bit of information got through and it's horrifying. And they all got by with it.
Mind Control: America's Secret War

For the record, I am a psychologist, so it's not like I'm taking up for Hubbard. He seemed to be a paranoid schizophrenic.
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Well said, sir... As always!

You guys want to see something awesome? Politics aside, this is just fucking great!

 
Hubbard lived during that time and knew something was wrong, that there actually was a conspiracy. Of course, he already hated the field of psychiatry and psychology because they were competitors to dianetics. But he never updated the tech and other anti-psychiatry beliefs, so after these experiments stopped (if they indeed did), he left his followers with outdated material, fighting against an enemy that no longer exists.
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I don't think Hubbard bashed psychiatry because he knew about their ethical breaches. Quite the contrary, he was quite interested in mind control techniques himself. Friends who associated with him(including some of the NYC sci-fi people like Harlan Ellison and A.E Van Voght) in the years leading up to the publishing of Dianetics have gone on the record stating that Hubbard took great interest in the stories about North Korean and Chinese "brainwashing" or re-education of American GI's in Korea. And not in an "oh I
 
Hubbard was likely against pshyciatri, not psychology (surprised the psychologists in this thread seems to confuse the two), because psychiatri is quackery at it's worst, downright torture and abuse in many cases and the modern eqiuvalent of witch hunt trials.

Psychology is the study of the mind. Psychiatry is the study of postulated brain 'diseases'.

Now, the only problem is that if you're going to call something a disease then you should be able to find the physical cause of the disease. Something psychiatrists have not managed to do in 60 years. In other words, it's bullshit. There is no such thing as a 'mental illness', which originates from the brain (except for cases where a real physical disease has impaired the brain, like sometimes with malaria).

Psychiatri has been involved in some of the worst forms of abuse on innocent people in modern history, you should really read about it. Med students who study psychiatri are ridiculed because the other students know it's not a science but pure quackery.

It is often said that it's med students with psychological problems themselves that go into psychiatry, beliveing that they can 'fix' themselves. Because they are doctors they do not belive in therapy, which is likely what they need.

There is however a big demand for psychiatrists for several reasons. One is to prescribe the drugs of big pharma. A real pshycologist would only very rarely do so, if ever. A psychiatrist will do this all the time, believing that troubles of the mind and soul can be cured with 'medicine'. It should be said that most medicine used in treating 'mental illness' is little more than sedatives. The worst kind is a direct decendant from poison used to fumigate weeds in the 60's. It used to be so toxic that nurses had to wear heavy gloves to carry it.

The second reason why psychiatri is popular today is as a form of witch hunt. Since there are no real scientific methods of determining this so called 'mental illness' it's up to the doctors to decide what constitutes 'deviant' or 'paranoid' behavior. Naturally, this is a huge breach of personal rights and free speech. It's very dangerous and very easy to lock someone away if they have ideas that don't match with society.

So, people, if you doubt what I'm saying, I urge you to spend some time inside a mental hospital (you can become visitor or guardian) and see how we treat so called 'mentally ill'. It's sickening and one of the great crimes of our times.
 
Darwinist said:
I don't think Hubbard bashed psychiatry because he knew about their ethical breaches. Quite the contrary, he was quite interested in mind control techniques himself. Friends who associated with him(including some of the NYC sci-fi people like Harlan Ellison and A.E Van Voght) in the years leading up to the publishing of Dianetics have gone on the record stating that Hubbard took great interest in the stories about North Korean and Chinese "brainwashing" or re-education of American GI's in Korea. And not in an "oh I
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RusViking said:
Hubbard was likely against pshyciatri, not psychology (surprised the psychologists in this thread seems to confuse the two), because psychiatri is quackery at it's worst, downright torture and abuse in many cases and the modern eqiuvalent of witch hunt trials.

Psychology is the study of the mind. Psychiatry is the study of postulated brain 'diseases'.

Now, the only problem is that if you're going to call something a disease then you should be able to find the physical cause of the disease. Something psychiatrists have not managed to do in 60 years. In other words, it's bullshit. There is no such thing as a 'mental illness', which originates from the brain (except for cases where a real physical disease has impaired the brain, like sometimes with malaria).

Psychiatri has been involved in some of the worst forms of abuse on innocent people in modern history, you should really read about it. Med students who study psychiatri are ridiculed because the other students know it's not a science but pure quackery.

It is often said that it's med students with psychological problems themselves that go into psychiatry, beliveing that they can 'fix' themselves. Because they are doctors they do not belive in therapy, which is likely what they need.

There is however a big demand for psychiatrists for several reasons. One is to prescribe the drugs of big pharma. A real pshycologist would only very rarely do so, if ever. A psychiatrist will do this all the time, believing that troubles of the mind and soul can be cured with 'medicine'. It should be said that most medicine used in treating 'mental illness' is little more than sedatives. The worst kind is a direct decendant from poison used to fumigate weeds in the 60's. It used to be so toxic that nurses had to wear heavy gloves to carry it.

The second reason why psychiatri is popular today is as a form of witch hunt. Since there are no real scientific methods of determining this so called 'mental illness' it's up to the doctors to decide what constitutes 'deviant' or 'paranoid' behavior. Naturally, this is a huge breach of personal rights and free speech. It's very dangerous and very easy to lock someone away if they have ideas that don't match with society.

So, people, if you doubt what I'm saying, I urge you to spend some time inside a mental hospital (you can become visitor or guardian) and see how we treat so called 'mentally ill'. It's sickening and one of the great crimes of our times.
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I agree ,except that schizophrenia is a real disease that actually deteriorates the brain over time progressively and cannot be treated by only talking to a therapist. But I agree many things like ADD ,bipolar,ocd,depression and many other things get overprescribed a lot of crap meds that in most cases are being prescribed for off label uses because the docs get kickbacks and gifts and vacations from the pharm companys.
 
These were just put up on youtube. Hana Whitfield was one of the original Sea Org members with Hubbard. She was in for 22 years. Her stories of life with Hubbard are fucking insane.






 
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