I am an ex-Scientologist. (LONG read)

[willhaven720]

I can see how some of your Scientology training is hard to shake. "Always attack, never defend"...no disrespect but I think you know what I

 

[Darwinist]

Good to hear, and as someone who was alerted to the evils of Scientology via Project Chanology, it really means a lot to me whenever I see new former CoS members "coming out" so to speak.

Have you ever read the entries concerning Project Chanology on Encyclopedia Dramatica? If not, you should do so. You will laugh your ASS off.

 

[rnaviaux]

GREAT post. Thanks for sharing. I'd like to hear the POV from someone into Scientology (not OSA or some other PR rep).

POV about what?

Although I have been accused of being from OSA before I'm not. I haven't a clue how to prove that though.

 

[willhaven720]

POV about what?

Although I have been accused of being from OSA before I'm not. I haven't a clue how to prove that though.

I know you're not OSA, or SO, or even on staff. I can vouch for that.

They just don't understand because of the words you choose and the questions you have avoided as a natural mechanism. You're going to have to "let your hands go", so to speak. And not just continue to apply the PTS/SP course. Otherwise NONE of these guys will listen to a word you are saying.

They only hear a slave, reading from the WIS book.

I'm sure you can understand why that is though.

Go to xenu.net.

 

[Darwinist]

rnaviaux, how do you justify this kind of behavior from STAFF MEMBERS??? These are the people employed by your religious organization. Most, if not all of them are supposed to be pretty damn high up on the bridge. Why does their behavior towards critics that just want some straight answers from your organization seem psychotic, antagonistic and anti-social to most normal people? Aren't these supposed to be masters of human-on-human communications? Why the endless torrent of personal insults? Didn't Hubbard HIMSELF say that such behaviour was the hallmark of an SP?

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Clearly there is a disconnect between what Scientology is supposed to do for people and what it actually does - which is turn them into the very definition of an SP.

In fact, I don't think I

 

[TKO4SHO]

Whoa... thanks for sharing TS. I am glad you were able to get out

I usually try to be generally respectful towards people and their religion (despite me disagreeing with most of it) because it is something that people hold close to their hearts.

But with the case of Scientology (and to a lesser extent, Mormons), I make an exception. I can't help but laugh at this crooked racket who's teaching are based off of some crackpot science fiction writer. I mean seriously, this shit is funny.

While I get a chuckle at what the Church is based off of, clearly it was no laughing matter for you. I wish you luck on picking up the pieces and moving on, my friend.

 

[willhaven720]

Good to hear, and as someone who was alerted to the evils of Scientology via Project Chanology, it really means a lot to me whenever I see new former CoS members "coming out" so to speak.

Have you ever read the entries concerning Project Chanology on Encyclopedia Dramatica? If not, you should do so. You will laugh your ASS off.

The funny thing is that I've gotten where I am with little to no testimonials from any ex-members.

I don't hang out on their message boards. I didn't know who Marc Headley was, or that Jason Beghe left and was speaking out.

I have been living my life, trying to find that "sense of self" they took away from me. So when I say I "came out" to my fellow sherdoggers, I mean just that. It is the first time I have told anyone outside of my friends and family. It's fucking embarrassing, man! lol

When I decided it was a hoax, was the day I found out about the secret OT info. Not from South Park, mind you. From actually reading it on the net. That was enough for me. I KNOW the wrongs because I was there and helped propagate them.

I didn't know DM beat people up or any of that crazy shit. I didn't even know who Lisa McPherson was until after I awoke last year. She was killed a year and a half before I even joined the fucking Sea Org.

The truth is OVERWHELMING. But at the same time, the truth is in YOU. YOU know it's wrong. But while inside the trap, all you need is a tiny bit of evidence that it's "right", in order to feel justified that everything else is too. But some aspects of scientology are just common sense and totally unoriginal.

It's a vicious, vicious cycle.

And let me tell you something else... They KNEW I wasn't fully assimilated. They had to re-test me over and over again to be part of management. They made me read a policy called "Scientology is new news!". I had to read it over and over, and look up every word in the dictionary until I told them what they wanted to hear. They were so happy I did because I was their "missing link". And as ridiculous as that sounds, it's true. I HOOKED THEM UP. I carried their asses so many times (on a regional basis, not the entire Co$).

Yet none of that stopped them from screaming at me or punishing me when the sales were down. They made my life a living hell. And they got exactly what they wanted... a sales monster.

I thank you from the bottom of my black heart for any more info you may have. Keep it coming!

Information is power. $cientology will lose.

 

[willhaven720]

WOW!

How funny!

You see the security guard in the begining of the video? I knew him. He's a total prick. And his wife is a flat-out ****. You would say the same thing if you met them... within about a minute.

lol

Good times!

 

[Darwinist]

You see the security guard in the begining of the video? I knew him. He's a total prick. And his wife is a flat-out ****. You would say the same thing if you met them... within about a minute.

Mark Bunker truly has the patience of a saint. Bodies would have hit the floor, and brick would have been shat by multiple parties about a minute and a half into the ranting and ravings of those two idiots had it been me.

Too bad that would have been exactly what they wanted.

 

[willhaven720]

Mark Bunker truly has the patience of a saint. Bodies would have hit the floor, and brick would have been shat by multiple parties about a minute and a half into the ranting and ravings of those two idiots had it been me.

Too bad that would have been exactly what they wanted.

I understand how you feel, and I feel it too.

However, the one major thing this thread is doing for me is preparing me for WAR. And by that, I mean a "war of words".

When I was watching the videos, I was blurting out rebuttals as if I was standing right there. I mean, those cats have NOTHING on this think-tank of mine. And I say that with as little ego as possible.

I'm so fired-up right now, I'm litterally doing the Ali dance saying "I'm too fast for 'em! I'm too fast for 'em!"

There will be hell to pay.

P.S. Iceland rules! How are you guys holding up?

 

[rnaviaux]

I know you're not OSA, or SO, or even on staff. I can vouch for that.

They just don't understand because of the words you choose and the questions you have avoided as a natural mechanism. You're going to have to "let your hands go", so to speak. And not just continue to apply the PTS/SP course. Otherwise NONE of these guys will listen to a word you are saying.

They only hear a slave, reading from the WIS book.

I'm sure you can understand why that is though.

Go to xenu.net.

Hmmm...being viewed as a slave. Interesting thought.

Having people listen to me on a board such as this will never be high on my priority list. If someone wants to listen to my POV then I'm willing to provide it.

I'm not sure what "words" your referring to that are hard to understand that I have used.

Safe to say your viewpoint of me and who I am and what I do is funny to say the least.

 

[willhaven720]

Hmmm...being viewed as a slave. Interesting thought.

Having people listen to me on a board such as this will never be high on my priority list. If someone wants to listen to my POV then I'm willing to provide it.

I'm not sure what "words" your referring to that are hard to understand that I have used.

Safe to say your viewpoint of me and who I am and what I do is funny to say the least.

If you answered all of the questions you have been asked here, no one would think you were in OSA.

My father could and HAS answered all those questions you chose to avoid. He believes what he believes and I leave it there.

I don't AGREE with him. But I leave it there.


P.S. It's time I gave back to sherdog for all it's given me...

HELLO PLAT-IN-UM!

 

[rnaviaux]

If you answered all of the questions you have been asked here, no one would think you were in OSA.

My father could and HAS answered all those questions you chose to avoid. He believes what he believes and I leave it there.

I don't AGREE with him. But I leave it there.


P.S. It's time I gave back to sherdog for all it's given me...

HELLO PLAT-IN-UM!

As far as I know I'm under no obligation to answer any questions whatsoever. Most questions I have had posed to me over the last 10 years on the net have been rude to put it mildly. (I have answered many despite this.)

People are free to think and believe what they choose based on whatever they wish. (As you are as well.) However being a "brainwashed" Scientologist my words aren't going to have much of an effect on those who have already made up their mind based on information gotten from sites critical of Scientology.

I long ago gave up trying to sway such individuals viewpoints. Waste of time.

Further in the last ten years or so I can count on one hand the number of people willing to actually learn about the subject by studying the actual texts by Mr. Hubbard. I have heard many learned opinions on the subject by many enlightened posters that haven't read anything by Mr. Hubbard (besides stuff they have gotten from anti-scientology sites). A great example of this is the classic Mr. Hubbard said that the way to get rich is to start a religion. I can't prove he didn't say this so don't waste my time doing so. But it's almost always parroted by individuals who haven't listened to any of Mr. Hubbard's published lectures or read any of his published books. Many that refuse to do so even when I have offered to lend them a book or lecture.

Many will say all sorts on things on the net. I've had some truly nasty things said about me, my family and my friends just because of my being a Scientologist. I guess its the price I pay. Funny that people in real life don't talk like that to me when they find out my religion. Even my jiu-jitsu training partners don't talk to me like that when they find out my religion. Some have asked sincere questions and I have answered them. I like talking about my religion. I don't like vituperation.

I've had tough times like everyone else in and out of my religion. No one's perfect, especially me. But my perspective on my religion (church and philosophy) is certainly different than yours. If people have a question about that then I'd be more than willing to answer them. (Maybe there have been some buried in earlier posts that I have missed.)

Best,

Randy

 

[Darwinist]

Having people listen to me on a board such as this will never be high on my priority list. If someone wants to listen to my POV then I'm willing to provide it.

How about you start by answering the very simple questions I asked you?

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[rnaviaux]

Whoa... thanks for sharing TS. I am glad you were able to get out

I usually try to be generally respectful towards people and their religion (despite me disagreeing with most of it) because it is something that people hold close to their hearts.

But with the case of Scientology (and to a lesser extent, Mormons), I make an exception. I can't help but laugh at this crooked racket who's teaching are based off of some crackpot science fiction writer. I mean seriously, this shit is funny.

While I get a chuckle at what the Church is based off of, clearly it was no laughing matter for you. I wish you luck on picking up the pieces and moving on, my friend.

Case in point. Have you studied the teachings? Can you discuss them? Do you know the fundamentals that the subject is built upon?

 

[rnaviaux]

How about you start by answering the very simple questions I asked you?

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[Cujo_Trey]

Your first question of how they get celebrities to become Scientologists, is pretty simple. And it's probably what you were thinking. They basically take dead-aim. But not for the money. In fact ONLY someone from the "President's Office" is allowed to sell them ANYTHING in Scientology.

The "Office of the President" is a department of a specific church known as "Celebrity Centre International" or "CC Int" (yes, with the french spelling and all), located on an ungodly-valued property in Hollywood, CA. You can google it. The building looks like some place Daddy Warbucks would live. And while it is open to the general public, it's main purpose is to attract and service celebrities. Though they are kept completely out of sight.

The building has a special underground garage located directly underneath the public parking area. You must be cleared via security to enter it. The celebrity area of the church is can be reached this way. But only authorized personnel are allowed access. They even have an outdoor courtyard between the garage and the building, which has been shrouded in trees and various plants. And the only possible way you could view it, would be from the sky. It's actually a really nice set-up. Everything is extremely classy, from the furniture to the spa/gym where the "Purification Rundown" (hot sauna therapy) is done. They study in their own areas. The property already contains a 4-star restaurant and hotel, as well as a proper cafe. And last (but certainly not least), a slew of armed security, very similar to the secret service in style and design.

That is one function they primarily trust to experts in the field. See because let's say you were a small-arms specialist in the military (such as a navy seal), you aren't even allowed to receive scientology services due to the possibility of you being planted inside by the government or whoever could get to them. So yeah, they are there for one reason and one reason only... To stop anyone who comes looking for trouble, by ANY means available.

Just like Mario Majorski.

A guy who, in 2008 walked up to a group of those guards while dual-wielding katana swords. He never even made it out of the parking lot, where he was gunned down on the spot. And if I had to guess, I'd say he never meant to hurt anyone but himself. But what they won't tell you about Mario is the actual depth of his involvement with the church in the early 90's.

To me, there are two things that stand out about his history with the church.

#1. In 1990, Mario received some of the most expensive and "powerful" auditing sessions in Scientology, known as the "L-Rundowns" or "L's". These services are only available at the organization known as the "Flag Land Base", commonly referred to as "Flag". It was there, in the late 70's or early 80's where L Ron Hubbard first began this mega-church. And IT IS MEGA.

But mega-churches come with mega-prices. And it came with a price, both financial and moral. The first thing that was done was the offering of some "Advanced Services", not yet available to the public. Specifically the L's, of which there are three (L10, L11 and L12). The starting price these auditing sessions? At that time it was 10k per 12.5 hour package or "intensive". He did 2 of them (11 and 12). And I have NO clue how many intensives he had to buy to complete them. I'd say he spent at least 40 grand to get them done.

And just how do they sell people such lavish therapy? Simply by explaining to them that they can "be" (L12), "do" (L11) and "have" (L10) ANYTHING they want. That is, once they've finished the rundowns and unlocked the badass-within, they will never need worry about those issues again. And what a badass old Mario turned out to be, eh?

My favorite one would have to be L10. It's the one you do first. Keep in mind I never did any of that shit. But I mean, I have personally heard the most outrageous claims you can imagine as to it's effect. My favorite of these claims? There was a soap-opera actress who thought it was the sole reason she won a daytime Emmy. Not that it helped her acting at all. Just that she decided to "have" the award. And by this decision alone, they gave it to her? WTF? Funny how none of them have just "decided" to have the mega-lotto yet. What a joke.

Yeah. We are talking about some serious brainwashing here. And I'd just like to point out that, at the prices Mario was paying, along with the "red convertible" (unsure of make and model), which he drove to CC Int before being shot and killed... One would think that a pistol, in terms of affordability, would have been his first choice for a successful assassination or mass-homicide. If in fact that was the plan. You see where I'm going with this?

#2. I'll just quote this little tidbit I found on the net.



Needless to say, he was IN the church. Financially, politically and socially involved at the highest level to which a non-staff or celeb could be. He was all-in.

So what changed? The web maybe? South Park? I was in the Sea Org, a fate he totally avoided. And if I had to guess HOW he avoided it, I would wager 10-1 that he was unqualified due to prior LSD use. Yes, if you tried acid in the 60's... too bad for you. Which is actually another reason they go after the kids. Too many adults have tried it.

I mean, do you have any idea HOW pissed I was for never trying it in my youth!? It was, BY FAR, the single biggest mistake of my ENTIRE life. And that shit was EVERYWHERE. /facepalm

But one big difference between Mario and I was that I never invested any money into the church. Something that seems like it may have caused him quite a bit of frustration. Because, at some point, he filed for bankruptcy... TWICE.

Another interesting part of the news pertaining to Mario's life is this...



Well the first thing that really jumped out at me when I read that, was the date. "May 2007". And why is that? Because it was the EXACT period of time I started to admit to myself that Scientology was a total hoax in every possible way. Yes, it took about a year and a half from the day I watched the famous South Park episode, aptly named "Trapped in the Closet".

But what about Mario? Was he just faster to accept the truth? And if so, who knew about it? And who showed up to his house? I can tell you that the "blue suits" in question were most likely management-level Sea Org members. As they are the only ones who still wear the traditional dress-blues.

It's possible they could have been members of the "Office of Special Affairs" or "OSA". Their primary concern is the legal containment of ex-members. These are the people who had me read a statement on camera, in order to cover their asses JUST before letting me leave. Which, by that point, you can and will say ANYTHING just to gtfo.

I will admit that reading the part about his condition when police found him, as well as his refusal to leave the hospital, had me a little freaked out. Not to mention there have been a few suicide cases, from their own outspoken opponents.

But let me assure you beautiful son's of bitches that while I may be going through some rough times with all this, along with some relationship issues, THIS IS ONE EX-SCIENTOLOGIST THAT WILL NEVER COMMIT SUICIDE. Like "never ever". And please don't make me post pictures of my massive cock to prove it.

That and the fact that I'm an MMA fanatic who will probably spend the rest of my life posting on sherdog.

So if one day, you find out I haven't been on here for a month or two, you have my personal permission to send this to the FBI or the press or whatever. Not like they'd be able to do anything with the information. But maybe they would find out that it's linked to an ex-scientologist's suicide or "disappearance" (Yes, there have been plenty of those as well).

*continued below*

lol. Got it. I will personally contact the FBI if I dont see you posting. lol.

IN all seriousness though I really applaud your efforts here in this thread and I also applaud Sherdog allowing this thread to stay open. Too many corporations crumble to big religion etc.

Of course they buried it as deeply as they could on their site... BUT it is still available. You just have to be smarter or luckier than the average poster, which isn't too tough.

TY Will.

 

[willhaven720]

Case in point. Have you studied the teachings? Can you discuss them? Do you know the fundamentals that the subject is built upon?

I sure have and can. What sort of fundamentls of scientology would you like to discuss? Perhaps others can learn from our debate.

I'll start.

How does looking at pictures in your mind repeatedly give you spiritual freedom?

How come there is no person alive that has demonstrated the state of Clear or OT in any real way?

Why is it that the tech always has to be "fixed"? And don't say because of David Mayo. That's bullshit. We already have the new and improved golden age of tech and there are still no tangible results.

Why is there no tolerance for these sort of discussions at a church of scientology? Why is that department not on the org board?

How is yelling and screaming at people who don't want to practice scientology, an ethical choice?

If one needs to have a clean conscience to receive the desired effect of scientology, why are staff-members behaving in such immorally thuggish ways?

Why is it that if you disagree, AS A MEMBER ON COURSE, with some datum of Hubbard's... Why are you told to study it until you get it? Why is there no discussion?

Why would another society in the galaxy have a 50's-era sci-fi name like Hallitrobus, led by Prince Xenu? Why isn't it called planet Sassy, led by Prince Jeff?

Do you think everyone is PTS? Or do you think there is some logic to saying that all accidents/mistakes and illness are from PTSness?

Do you think it's ok for a child to work for the Sea Org?

Which "exchange condition" is paying those children 36 cents an hour for 100 hour weeks?

If Hubbard tells you to "follow the laws of the land", and then doesn't do so himself... Do you think that going out to sea is a reasonable loop-hole to the above statement?

That's a good start. I look forward to your heart-filled responses.

 

[Cujo_Trey]

Mark Bunker truly has the patience of a saint. Bodies would have hit the floor, and brick would have been shat by multiple parties about a minute and a half into the ranting and ravings of those two idiots had it been me.

Too bad that would have been exactly what they wanted.

Just a quick wuestion Dar. How the HELL do you seem to know so much about damn near every interesting subject? Do you spend every waking hour of your day researching things online or what? I'm truly confused, impressed, worried about you?

Photographic memory?
Idiot cevant?

EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

 

[Darwinist]

Just a quick wuestion Dar. How the HELL do you seem to know so much about damn near every interesting subject? Do you spend every waking hour of your day researching things online or what? I'm truly confused, impressed, worried about you?

Photographic memory?
Idiot cevant?

EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

I remember just about everything I read, so yeah...a photographic memory of sorts.

But I can go to class or work with someone for a month while having to ask them what their name is EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY. I can't remember phone numbers or equations. I