Hypothetical: There is 100% proof God exists

[Horse Style]

So in this hypothetical, evidence has been discovered that proves, without a doubt, the existence of an all-powerful God. The evidence also shows that when you die, you either go to Heaven or Hell. Heaven is basically your best dream come true for eternity. Hell, on the other hand, is a mystery. We don't know the specifics of what happens in Hell. We just know it's a very unpleasant experience that you will endure for eternity.

Now, to get to Heaven, you have to, from this point forward, live the way God wants you to live. There is no fucking up and thinking you can repent later. God wants you to:

1) Be a vegan
2) Go to church at least 5 days a week
3) No more masturbation
4) You can only have sex for the purpose of procreation

Along with all the other things expected of a good person (no killing, no stealing, no suicide, etc.)

The question is, do you

a) Follow this word of God to ensure a place in Heaven
b) Say "fuck it" and take your chances with whatever Hell brings once you die

 

[BEER]

I'm already vegan.

No masturbation might be a deal breaker though.

 

[TheComebackKid]

I think most people would just convince themselves that the evidence doesn't prove God exists and continue masturbating furiously. They have too much hate in their heart toward God to ever acknowledge His existence imo.

 

[LC Shepard]

B)

I'll switch to vegan but God can go fuck himself with the other conditions. Just because he's the ruler eternal doesn't make him any more right than Stalin. I think I am a decent enough human being as it is and I am not going to sacrifice my free will for some bloodthirsty tyrant and his retarded rules.

I'd rather be Prometheus, than somebody's bitch.

 

[7437]

I think i am good enough at delayed gratification to pull that off.

Might have a problem in heaven, given that my best dream possible would violate how God wants me to live, a lot.

 

[m52nickerson]

So in this hypothetical, evidence has been discovered that proves, without a doubt, the existence of an all-powerful God. The evidence also shows that when you die, you either go to Heaven or Hell. Heaven is basically your best dream come true for eternity. Hell, on the other hand, is a mystery. We don't know the specifics of what happens in Hell. We just know it's a very unpleasant experience that you will endure for eternity.

Now, to get to Heaven, you have to, from this point forward, live the way God wants you to live. There is no fucking up and thinking you can repent later. God wants you to:

1) Be a vegan
2) Go to church at least 5 days a week
3) No more masturbation
4) You can only have sex for the purpose of procreation

Along with all the other things expected of a good person (no killing, no stealing, no suicide, etc.)

The question is, do you

a) Follow this word of God to ensure a place in Heaven
b) Say "fuck it" and take your chances with whatever Hell brings once you die

Simple, in this God would not really be a good God since he is willing to damn me and others to hell for trivial things. I'll take my chances with hell like all the rest of the good people, brave people.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Honestly I'd probably be screwed. I don't celebrate my sin, or feel that because I can't lose my salvation it doesn't matter, but I'd struggle in the sexual areas. Sometimes I do great and sometimes I slip up. If a good wouldn't allow for repentance, I don't know if I'd be in good grace for long

 

[TheComebackKid]

B)

I'll switch to vegan but God can go fuck himself with the other conditions. Just because he's the ruler eternal doesn't make him any more right than Stalin. I think I am a decent enough human being as it is and I am not going to sacrifice my free will for some bloodthirsty tyrant and his retarded rules.

I'd rather be Prometheus, than somebody's bitch.

 

[2DUM2TAP]

So in this hypothetical, evidence has been discovered that proves, without a doubt, the existence of an all-powerful God. The evidence also shows that when you die, you either go to Heaven or Hell. Heaven is basically your best dream come true for eternity. Hell, on the other hand, is a mystery. We don't know the specifics of what happens in Hell. We just know it's a very unpleasant experience that you will endure for eternity.

Now, to get to Heaven, you have to, from this point forward, live the way God wants you to live. There is no fucking up and thinking you can repent later. God wants you to:

1) Be a vegan
2) Go to church at least 5 days a week
3) No more masturbation
4) You can only have sex for the purpose of procreation

Along with all the other things expected of a good person (no killing, no stealing, no suicide, etc.)

The question is, do you

a) Follow this word of God to ensure a place in Heaven
b) Say "fuck it" and take your chances with whatever Hell brings once you die

Fuck it

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Simple, in this God would not really be a good God since he is willing to damn me and others to hell for trivial things. I'll take my chances with hell like all the rest of the good people, brave people.

So you'd willfully damn yourself to hell because your sense of morality outweighs the creators? That seems like a defeatist attitude. Me thinks if you "saw" God, you'd fall on your face in humble respect

 

[sloppypie]

Nothing worse than a Jesus freak taking an obvious never gonna happen hypothetical way too seriously.

 

[2DUM2TAP]

I think most people would just convince themselves that the evidence doesn't prove God exists and continue masturbating furiously. They have too much hate in their heart toward God to ever acknowledge His existence imo.

God has too much hate in his heart if he wants to punish me forever for rubbing one out.

 

[ehtheist]

B)

I'll switch to vegan but God can go fuck himself with the other conditions. Just because he's the ruler eternal doesn't make him any more right than Stalin. I think I am a decent enough human being as it is and I am not going to sacrifice my free will for some bloodthirsty tyrant and his retarded rules.

I'd rather be Prometheus, than somebody's bitch.

I don't think you quite grasp the whole God idea...

 

[TheComebackKid]

God has too much hate in his heart if he wants to punish me forever for rubbing one out.

You misunderstand my son

 

[Kalmah]

Why would God want you to be a vegan?

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don't think you quite grasp the whole God idea...

It's not about not grasping it, that is a legitimate objection, unless you're just saying that might makes right.

 

[ehtheist]

It's not about not grasping it, that is a legitimate objection, unless you're just saying that might makes right.

It's not really an issue of simple might so much as broad superiority. I'm not a believer but I recognize that the concept of God represents that of a truly superior being. It's knowledge, understanding, and yes, power are all so far beyond our own so as to make comparisons between us and it inconceivable in any but the most simple terms.

The omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, atemporal, is vastly superior to us at being able determine what is moral. It's not "might" - it's simple superiority. It knows far more insofar as it knows everything, judges infinitely better than we do, and not only does it know the rules of the game, it literally made the game of the universe, right and wrong, etc.

So yeah, it's absolutely about not grasping it. I don't believe in it, and obviously he doesn't either, but the conceptual God is simply superior to us at making moral judgements. The Stalin comparison, and the notion that it's simply about might, shows a lack of understanding of the concept.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

If the Abrahamic god actually existed I'd probably take my chances in hell.

 

[panamaican]

Can I masturbate in Heaven? What about in Hell?

 

[Jack V Savage]

So yeah, it's absolutely about not grasping it. I don't believe in it, and obviously he doesn't either, but the conceptual God is simply superior to us at making moral judgements. The Stalin comparison, and the notion that it's simply about might, shows a lack of understanding of the concept.

You don't really get around the objection (and I'm sure you're familiar with the Euthryphro) with this. If you're saying that morality is objective and discoverable, and God is simply better at making that discovery, I'd say that you're imputing a mindset to religious types that they don't have and changing the terms of the discussion. That is, you're the one not "getting it." What most religions believe is that not God is better at figuring out morality; but that He literally defines it. I mean, presumably this all-badass God would be exceptional at building arguments for his positions, but the TS is positing that God is presenting kind of ridiculous positions and not defending them--just threatening us.

I like Noah Smith's take on religion:

http://blog.supplysideliberal.com/post/67228316483/noah-smith-god-and-supergod

How does God know he’s God?

I’m serious. Think about this for a moment. God - as described in the Bible - is the most powerful being in the Universe. But how does He know that there isn’t an even more powerful being - call it “SuperGod” - who has chosen to stay completely hidden up until now? Since the hypothetical SuperGod is, hypothetically, even more powerful than God, there’s no way for God to know that SuperGod does not in fact exist.

This is true whether or not there is a SuperGod or not! Even if there is no SuperGod - even if God really is the most powerful being in the Universe - God will never know for sure that this is the case. And of course if there were a SuperGod, then He also couldn’t be certain that there wasn’t a SuperDuperGod out there somewhere!

Conclusion: The most powerful being in the Universe, whoever that happens to be, will never be certain of His (or Her) status as such.

... I’m trying to illustrate an important point about the nature of the God of the Bible. God’s most defining and important attribute isn’t that He’s the most powerful and wise being in the Universe; in fact, it doesn’t really matter if He is or not. The most important thing about God is that he chooses to take responsibility for the world.

Think about it. God chooses to create life and humanity, set down laws, punish evil and reward good, send people to various afterlives, and dictate the fate of nations. He doesn’t waste time wondering if there is a SuperGod somewhere out there. He doesn’t need to know for certain that He’s the most powerful being in the Universe; all He knows is that He’s the most powerful being in the neighborhood.

Kind of like you and me.