Hunt's comments give me a new respect for Randy

[thechoice2]

Because of his size,you do realise that Randy spent a lot of his career at LHW?Brock was still a lot bigger than Hunt,that's why he could get the takedown.Brocks time will come again,I can't wait to see his other cheek ripped open and him doing spins across the octagon again

lol wtf does who was bigger have to do with who outwrestled whom? I don't care WHY Brock outwrestled Randy, the fact is that he did, and there's a bunch of idiots in this thread that want to grade wrestling on some mythical P4P curve.

 

[RoyalG]

much hespect to Randy Orton, tough fight against Brock at Summerslam
hespect this guy

 

[ShadowRun]

Randy was the man everyone wanted to see fight Fedor

The man who 1 fight after brock had a war with big nog

The man who snapped Tim Sylvia's 6 fight (3 championship) win streak which included 2 wins over Arlovski

And he stopped the beast that was gonzaga right after gonzaga ruined Crocop's career

Randy was better at heavyweight than he was at light-heavyweight because he handled strength better than speed

One of the worst sins sherdog ever committed was trying to discredit heavyweight Randy Couture just because they wanted to discredit Brock Lesnar

Ps: "outwrestled" is a huge stretch. One guy got two big takedowns and the other got one sort of takedown and never fully got on top
More accurate to say he neutralized Lesnar's wrestling

But still great fight. Randy Couture is legitly one of the best heavyweights of all time
(He even was beating prime and roided barnett before the stoppage). It's a horrible shame people feel the need to discredit him

This is 100% correct, all of a sudden he was a old undersized HW when he lost to Brock... how stupid. I remember he was trying to fight Fedor to see who the best HW in the world was and came back to UFC to fight Brock.

 

[ShadowRun]

It was good to see Brozck back, but now we have to deal with his nut swingers.

Randy was 44yo, outweighed by 80lbs, had a 6 inch reach disadvantage, and coming off a 15 month layoff and got caught behind the ear. I'm not even taking anything away from Lesnar, but Randy neutralized his wrestling, imo that's our wrestling your opponent when you weigh out the stats.

No but you are taking a lot away from Randy he deserves more than that.

 

[Unbanned_unreformed]

lol wtf does who was bigger have to do with who outwrestled whom? I don't care WHY Brock outwrestled Randy, the fact is that he did, and there's a bunch of idiots in this thread that want to grade wrestling on some mythical P4P curve.

Why do you think there is weight divisions in wrestling?i bet you that Bigfoot could toss GSP around,does that make him a better wrestler?

 

[SHAZAM]

You guys are over estimating strength too much. Takes a lot more than strength to be an effective wrestler. Specially in MMA... Hunt was taken down b/c he lacks TDD. This fight was going the same way the Bigfoot fight was going. One round to one man, one round to the other. The lactic acid build up on Brock was real, Hunt allowed him to get a second wind. Its amazing that Brock was able to overcome that like he did against Carwin. Specially being that big. Having said that, I think any good wrestler could dominate Hunt, specially with wallnstall then a TD. To be an effective striker against a good wrestler you gotta be more mobile. But yeah, it was more than just size and strength that beat Hunt.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

No but you are taking a lot away from Randy he deserves more than that.

How so? The guy is my favorite fighter of all time and held his own against a champion caliber behemoth

 

[ShadowRun]

How so? The guy is my favorite fighter of all time and held his own against a champion caliber behemoth

It sounded like the argument that Brock beat a old underweight undersized Randy and it was easy to do, sorry if that wasn't what you meant. Shouldn't you be in WR arguing with JVS? lol

 

[krelianx]

Randy was better than people think. Towards the end of his extremely long career, he had trouble taking a punch. But he was strong as a bull, and the best dirty boxer, clinch wrestler in the game. He outwrestled Brock in the clinch, and on their feet. Brock had a couple takedowns.

Considering the difference in size, I'd say the difference in skill was substantial. In the end Randy got clobbered and collapsed, but he was winning the fight, and could have won the fight. History would have been very different.

 

[kflo]

It was good to see Brozck back, but now we have to deal with his nut swingers.

Randy was 44yo, outweighed by 80lbs, had a 6 inch reach disadvantage, and coming off a 15 month layoff and got caught behind the ear. I'm not even taking anything away from Lesnar, but Randy neutralized his wrestling, imo that's our wrestling your opponent when you weigh out the stats.

He didn't neutralize it. He got taken down twice and lesnar advanced position both times. Randy used effective grappling to get up and lesnar overcommitted on the ground but no, he didn't neutralize his wrestling.

 

[kflo]

Randy was better than people think. Towards the end of his extremely long career, he had trouble taking a punch. But he was strong as a bull, and the best dirty boxer, clinch wrestler in the game. He outwrestled Brock in the clinch, and on their feet. Brock had a couple takedowns.

Considering the difference in size, I'd say the difference in skill was substantial. In the end Randy got clobbered and collapsed, but he was winning the fight, and could have won the fight. History would have been very different.

He lost the first round and was losing the second round, having done the chicken dance earlier before the tko.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

It sounded like the argument that Brock beat a old underweight undersized Randy and it was easy to do, sorry if that wasn't what you meant. Shouldn't you be in WR arguing with JVS? lol

That wasn't what I meant. People were dismissing Randy's wrestling performance against Brock and I was pointing out how impressive it was.

Not much time for that troll these days.

 

[ShadowRun]

That wasn't what I meant. People were dismissing Randy's wrestling performance against Brock and I was pointing out how impressive it was.

Not much time for that troll these days.

I agree on both

 

[Agent Mulder's Hair]

Fact: Randy Couture is Fedor's favorite fighter



Randy picking Chuck up over his head and slamming him was outstanding.

But Randy picking up fucking Gonzaga and slamming him so hard Gonzaga broke his OWN nose was the best.

And dropping Tim with that punch

And spanking Tito

Ankle picking James Toney

Destroying prime Vitor

 

[OmegaRugal]

undestandable given that randy was LHW and Brock was Super HW....

True but not what we discussing.

 

[laleggenda27]

i think the argument is along the lines of IF Randy was as big as brock, then Randy would have done better.

If Randy were as big as Brock, then he would have obliterated the whole division, including Brock. But he's not and he didn't. This idea that Randy outwrestled Brock is just revisionist history.

 

[bhp02]

If Randy were as big as Brock, then he would have obliterated the whole division, including Brock. But he's not and he didn't. This idea that Randy outwrestled Brock is just revisionist history.

you mean life is not fair because we are not all born like brock ??

 

[Dbreiden83080]

How did he outwrestle Brock?

 

[ArlovskiFang]

Randy was better than people think. Towards the end of his extremely long career, he had trouble taking a punch. But he was strong as a bull, and the best dirty boxer, clinch wrestler in the game. He outwrestled Brock in the clinch, and on their feet. Brock had a couple takedowns.

Considering the difference in size, I'd say the difference in skill was substantial. In the end Randy got clobbered and collapsed, but he was winning the fight, and could have won the fight. History would have been very different.

Randy didnt outwrestle Brock period. Brock got takedowns, Randy got none.

Brock won the first round by everyone's card.

Then Brock rocked Randy with a standing elbow in the second round. Then not long after, knocked him on his ass with a straight right and GNP'd him.

0 takedowns against Brock. Didn't rock Brock at any point. Got rocked twice himself. The second time leading to his defeat.

'Randy was winning before he lost'. Lol.

Randy was losing, and then went on...to lose.

The only moment he had was when he got a little cut on Brock's eyebrow.

 

[One MMA Fan]

He didn't out wrestled Brock. He did well wrestling with the younger bigger, stronger man but no more.

Funny how after that it's eh Randy...

But before he was the beast that dropped Tim and the man who broke Gonzaga.