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How would you rank your Top 5 Female GOATS????

Nunes is number one, Cyborg number two. Shevchenko and Weili is fighting about the the 3rd and 4th spot.

Megumi fuji should also be mentioned in the top5, she was the first woman to dominate the sport.
 
Val (thought she beat Nunes in their last fight, which considering she's smaller should make her the goat)
Cyborg (her loss to Nunes made it seem like she never did anything else in her career. Her sample size of dominance is just better and Nunes has lost to people around the same age Cyborg lost)
Nunes (everyone knows the arguments)
Fuji (could go higher. She was undersized and beat everyone until Bellator when she was ancient and even then some questionable judging)
Weili (everyone knows the arguments)
 
Some here are gonna get mad you didn't include queen Ronda Rousey in there lol
 
Nunes
Shevchenko
Zhang
Joanna
Fujii (115 who would have been 105 by today's standards and took on everybody, including fighting as heavy as 145). Two truly bullshit loses (one shit decision, one blatant eye-poke that she should have taken a DQ on).
 
Ares Black said:
Respectfully, that's not even close to true. The level of competition and divisional depth are better than ever, except 135.

Valentina Shevchenko?
Weili Zhang?
Ronda Rousey?

You don't have to like their personalities to recognize their exceptional skills and impressive careers.

Fair enough. After all, we are on an aging karate forum literally discussing theoretical rankings for female cage fighters.

Which begs the question; How the hell did I get here?
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I used to love WMMA, believe it or not, but just can't get into this new breed.

RIP prime Invicta
 
Lionheart7167 said:
Gina is an important WMMA figure historically, but in terms of actual competition and her fight career it's not very impressive. She had a few okay wins (Evinger, Sexton) but the only great fighter she ever fought was Cyborg, and that was easy work for Cyborg.
Considered Fujii. She has a stellar record and was an armbar Queen in her day, but I think the other's narrowly beat her out, just based on the level of competition. Esparza was really her only win over a (future) champion.
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Really though even with Cyborg who did she actually beat? a lot of her career was based on what she MIGHT do, especially vs Rousey but when she faced a really elite opponent she got murked.
 
moreorless87 said:
Really though even with Cyborg who did she actually beat? a lot of her career was based on what she MIGHT do, especially vs Rousey but when she faced a really elite opponent she got murked.
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Nobody. She routinely fought women smaller than her as women were far more willing to scrap with a larger fighter then due to the difficulty of them being booked for fights.
 
According to FightMatrix (this was before Zhang defeated Suarez):
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https://www.fightmatrix.com/all-time-mma-rankings/all-time-womens-open/
 
my top 5:
  1. Amanda Nunes
  2. Valentina Shevchenko
  3. Cris Cyborg
  4. Ronda Rousey
  5. Joanna Jedrzejczyk --- or Weili Zhang. I think she is very close to overtaking JJ because they have the same number of title wins but Zhang has 2 wins over her.
 
1.Amanda
2. Cyborg
3. Valentina
4. Ronda ( her star power made wmma what it became)
5. Rose (4-0 in the 3way series of best sw s ever)

HM JJ, Zhang,
 
moreorless87 said:
I don't have a lot of sympathy for her either as she was at 145lb almost certainly due to PEDs, without them I think she probably would have been able to make 135lbs which was along with 115lbs the weights women had agreed to try and make during the 00's to strengthen a couple of divisions(part of why those remain the strongest divisions to this day). Gina was the reason the 145 division was pushed but at least she was genuinely large enough 135lbs was a difficult cut for her.
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She was 145 because she hated dieting. There was a good reason, okay, reasons, why she looked so good at weigh-in compared to most other women.
 
Hdfi said:
According to FightMatrix (this was before Zhang defeated Suarez):
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https://www.fightmatrix.com/all-time-mma-rankings/all-time-womens-open/
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I will never understand the Cyborg - well, fuck, I have no idea what to call it. But she came in heavy four times, fought just as many women who had fought at 125 as she did women who had never fought lighter than 145, and three of them had zero wins at the time. Her resume is a list of can crushing, fighting smaller women and cheating.

If we had a male HW champ who came in heavy four times, failed two drug tests, tried to alter a weigh-in scale to cheat and more than 75% of his resume was people who had fought at 185 and 205 we would shit all over him and justifiably so.
 
Eater of Souls said:
I will never understand the Cyborg - well, fuck, I have no idea what to call it. But she came in heavy four times, fought just as many women who had fought at 125 as she did women who had never fought lighter than 145, and three of them had zero wins at the time. Her resume is a list of can crushing, fighting smaller women and cheating.

If we had a male HW champ who came in heavy four times, failed two drug tests, tried to alter a weigh-in scale to cheat and more than 75% of his resume was people who had fought at 185 and 205 we would shit all over him and justifiably so.
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The worst aspect for me(at least achievement wise) is that even those women stepping up from 135lbs were not exactly prooven to be "best of the best", its really a mix of mid level and low level opponents at the time the fights happened.

Gina was a hyped fight but really she wasnt that prooven and after that what is Cyborgs best win? HOlly Holm in the middle of a 2-5 run? even then suddenly Cyborg suddenly didnt look like a destroyer anymore.
 
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