How would Carlos Condit vs Wonderboy have played out?

[Portland8242]

Condit was an amazing striker but Wonderboy is just that elite level that's above even that. Mind you Condit was very crafty and unpredictable, there is a possiblity he catches Wonderboy with something.

I think Condit would have to try get it to the ground to win it. Even thought that was never his style

 

[IloveTHIS]

Lol. It's funny cause it's true. As great as Condit was, he had absolutely zero takedown defense whatsoever. He was like the 170 pound Shogun in that regard.

Watch your fookin mouth. Shoguns TDD wasn't THAT bad. Especially healthy knee Shogun.

Anyways, WB makes Condit look stupid at least 8/10 times

 

[OldBoy91]

Watch your fookin mouth. Shoguns TDD wasn't THAT bad. Especially healthy knee Shogun.

Anyways, WB makes Condit look stupid at least 8/10 times

I absolutely love Shogun to bits, but some on man. His TDD was fucking awful

 

[froggyluv]

Condit by grit , blood and menace. WB leaves like he just left a bad neighborhood at night

 

[Portland8242]

Fair assessment. About Holland though, it was fought at a comfortable pace for Wonderboy considering that Kevin breaking his hand stifled his volume for the rest of the fight. Barring any freak injury, Condit's pressure is going to be much higher. I think it would come to whether or not Condit could enter mid/close range and land elbows or flying knees.

I personally *do not* think this is necessarily a good matchup for Wonderboy. Best matchups for Wonderboy are conventional strikers like Luque, Masvidal, Neal. Condit is anything but conventional. It is hard to predict whether Wonderboy would be confortable against Condit's style, especially since Condit was impossible to KO or gas out.

We saw in the Holland fight that Wonderboy can turn dangerous very quickly when you get aggressive and unpredictable on him.

It's really too bad we never saw this fight back in the day, it could have been amazing.

 

[Safton]

Fair assessment. About Holland though, it was fought at a comfortable pace for Wonderboy considering that Kevin breaking his hand stifled his volume for the rest of the fight. Barring any freak injury, Condit's pressure is going to be much higher. I think it would come to whether or not Condit could enter mid/close range and land elbows or flying knees.

I personally *do not* think this is necessarily a good matchup for Wonderboy. Best matchups for Wonderboy are conventional kickboxers like Luque, Masvidal, Neal. Condit is anything but conventional. It is hard to predict whether Wonderboy would be confortable against Condit's style, especially since Condit was impossible to KO or gas out.

That's fair, but my point is that I can't think of any time Wonderboy has shown real signs of gassing. He has put up high significant strike counts against Luque, Masvidal, MacDonald, and Neal. Several of those were in the triple digits. He went five rounds with Woodley in the first fight which was a banger (unlike the rematch) with him getting rocked and fighting off submission attempts, scrambling around on the ground, and yet still won the 5th round. There are fighters who can't manage that even when they're comfortably fighting at their own pace, much less under adversity.

I know Condit was unorthodox by most metrics, but I don't think his style is so wonky so as to give a prime Wonderboy fits honestly. If anything I think it'd be the other way around. You could try to extrapolate from Pettis's flash of success after getting beat up or from Holland rocking him early, but beyond that I personally don't see it. Stephen doesn't need to KO somebody or gas them out; he's very happy to go at a consistent clip for five rounds while scoring points and trying to put attrition on you.

I don't think it would be a rout, mind you. I think it would be highly competitive and I wouldn't be surprised to see Condit win a round (or maybe two if it's a Main Event), but I do ultimately favor Thompson.

 

[BBMN]

Wonderboy, not known for his power, TKOs someone who has never been knocked out even by the likes of Lawler and Hendricks.

Fighters that have never been stopped, get stopped all the time. It's how MMA goes. And I'm not saying he would starch him outta nowhere. I just see Wonderboy making Carlos fight a bit recklessly, and paying the price. He does after all have the tools to get a TKO over Whittaker and Hendricks. He also has multiple kick KOs... It may sound unlikely on paper, but this is MMA...

 

[Liverkick-king56]

Condit has struggled with Rory and Ellenburger on the feet.
Condit was a master at constantly forcing people to fight his type of fight and do enough damage to cause them to gas. Issue is Condit never had a style to deal with specialists. Maia, Hendricks, and Woodley all easily laid on him while he struggled to make them work. On the feet Thiago Alves, Ellenberger, Martin Kamnpmann and Rory all were comfortably beating him until they gassed.
I just feel like Condit's style of forcing a brawl wouldn't work in his favour, Wonderboy is very fundamental and in his prime was underrated for how athletic fast and strong he was. I think Wonderboy's fundamentals and footwork will have him beating Condit up like he did with Rory.


If anybody in history could do what Pettis did and score the crazy KO on the feet, it would be Carlos Condit. Condit certainly had a flow on the feet that seemed to catch everybody off guard

 

[achoo42]

Anyways, WB makes Condit look stupid at least 8/10 times

Fighters that have never been stopped, get stopped all the time. It's how MMA goes. And I'm not saying he would starch him outta nowhere. I just see Wonderboy making Carlos fight a bit recklessly, and paying the price..

Carlos has made a career out of fighting recklessly and paying the price (except the Diaz fight), and he's still never been knocked out. In 51 fights.

Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? Not in the slightest. I think WB by decision is the most likely outcome followed by Condit via TKO.

 

[Jfreemandrums]

Condit wins a 5 rounder imo

Wonderboy loves to throw fights by not being aggressive enough. I think he outpoints Condit in a tepid 3 round fight, but Carlos finds a way to win with 25 minutes to play with

 

[Bork Neslar]

Wonderboy by UD

 

[achoo42]

Condit has struggled with Rory and Ellenburger on the feet.
Condit was a master at constantly forcing people to fight his type of fight and do enough damage to cause them to gas. Issue is Condit never had a style to deal with specialists. Maia, Hendricks, and Woodley all easily laid on him while he struggled to make them work. On the feet Thiago Alves, Ellenberger, Martin Kamnpmann and Rory all were comfortably beating him until they gassed.
I just feel like Condit's style of forcing a brawl wouldn't work in his favour, Wonderboy is very fundamental and in his prime was underrated for how athletic fast and strong he was. I think Wonderboy's fundamentals and footwork will have him beating Condit up like he did with Rory.


If anybody in history could do what Pettis did and score the crazy KO on the feet, it would be Carlos Condit. Condit certainly had a flow on the feet that seemed to catch everybody off guard

This is a good take. Condit would be outstruck for 8/10 of the fight I think. But like you point out, Condit has the ability to land something crazy, like that huge flying knee on Lawler, that knee on Stun Gun, or the headkick that came out of nowhere against GSP.

Wonderboy's heart is underrated though. Even if it becomes messy or Wonderboy gets rocked, he has shown the ability to dog it out. Like against Woodley, or the first round against Holland.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I'm thinking in 5 rounds, I'd favor Condit by stoppage but in 3 rounds I'd favor Wonder Boy by decision. That would have been an interesting match up though; not sure how exciting it would have been -- I could see it being somewhat of an uneventful fight or I could see it being an instant classic.

 

[Exarch01]

Wonderboy, not known for his power, TKOs someone who has never been knocked out even by the likes of Lawler and Hendricks.

Out of all the possible results, that seems to be the least likely outcome. Other than maybe Wonderboy by sub.

This. Yeah Thomson could very well out point Condit and take a decision, but KO a guy who's never been KO'd by far more powerful strikers than Thomson? Not going to happen. Condit has one TKO loss on his record, from a leg injury.

This is either Wonderboy by decision, or NBK by finish, and I don't think Thomson can evade everything forever. Condit is too aggressive and won't be deterred by sidekicks and teeps.

 

[AmbassadorFright]

Could go either way. I could see Thompson winning the fight early but Condit chewing his leg up and making it ugly later on. WB in 3 rounds but in 5 I think Condit could take it

 

[tat2man5k]

I'd have to favor Thompson. So few people have looked effective striking with him for 15-25 minutes, especially guys who are willing to try and walk forward and pressure him rather than mixing in offensive grappling or stifling him with sniper-like counters of their own. Wonderboy as of 2015-2017 was operating at a pretty high level.

Thompson wouldn't be able to finish him by any means, but I think he would be able to win a competitive Decision for sure.



Wonderboy's five-round cardio is one of his best assets. He was spamming spinning wheel kicks and shit in the 4th round of the Holland fight at 40 years old without even breathing heavy lol.

Agreed, but Condit, IMO, is more of a savage, iron chinned and also great cardio.

 

[tat2man5k]

What? Standing, Thompson would probably get the upper hand, but Condit could look for a clinch and guard-pull, to take Thompson for a submission. The last thing Wonderboy would try on Condit is shoot for a TD! He wouldn't want to tangle on the ground with him.

I just meant that Wonderboy would most definitely be able to get the takedown due to Condit's horrible TDD...not sure about Condit subbing WB

 

[tat2man5k]

Lol. It's funny cause it's true. As great as Condit was, he had absolutely zero takedown defense whatsoever. He was like the 170 pound Shogun in that regard.

For sure. Someone else replied to me that WB wouldn't wanna go to the ground with Condit because of his submission threat...I don't agree at all, but whatever.

 

[OldBoy91]

For sure. Someone else replied to me that WB wouldn't wanna go to the ground with Condit because of his submission threat...I don't agree at all, but whatever.

I don't think he'd need to. I think WB would have little trouble piecing up Condit and outpointing him on the feet, but if he wanted to take him down, he could, at will.

I don't think I ever saw Condit successfully defend a takedown in his entire career.

 

[tat2man5k]

I don't think he'd need to. I think WB would have little trouble piecing up Condit and outpointing him on the feet, but if he wanted to take him down, he could, at will.

I don't think I ever saw Condit successfully defend a takedown in his entire career.

I think you're right